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Hello, I am new to the forum. I did post in the new member forum. I am a hobbyist welder working on automotive projects - sheet metal, frames, axle housings. I am not a pro by any means, but I have a moderate amount of experience.7 months ago I upgraded(?) to a Titanium Multi Process welder from Harbor Freight. It is currently setup with 0.025 wire, 75/25 gas, and 120V. I had the welder dialed in to where I liked it for 18 gauge sheet metal, but now I am having an absolutely terrible time with burn back. Every single time I pull the trigger, the wire burns back. It is completely unusable.This issue started after I welded thicker material with 0.035" wire. I had no issues welding the thicker material, but after I swapped back to the 0.025" wire/settings, I started having this issue.These are things I've tried:-Gone back to chart recommendations for sheet metal-Gone to extreme ends of each: wire speed, voltage, inductance-Went through the spool setup procedure. Wire feeds well.-Checked all connections.-2000psi, 25 CFM-Tried a 0.030 tip w/ 0.025 wire-Disassembled torch, inspected and cleaned everythingI have no idea what else to do. In the middle of some big projects and this is very frustrating. I would appreciate any advice.Thank you.Last edited by Locust; 4 Days Ago at 11:13 AM.
Reply:To correct my initial post: It was 0.030" that I had swapped to temporarily for the thicker material (not 0.035 like I originally said, can't seem to find edit button).I just now swapped to 0.030" again to see what would happen. I can weld without burnback, but 0.030" is not ideal for my project. I am working with 18 and 16 gauge material. Hell, I should have stuck with my flux core. I'm sure I can dial it in a little better, but I would like to go back to the 0.025.
Reply:I dont know the specifics of this machine but I bet someone comes along soon that does. They are selling quite a few.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:Obviously depending on several things so this is a generalization but 18 and 16 well within the parameters of 030 to get past a job while you fuss with the machine. I got a Lincoln 255 acts the same way, bump it and runs different.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:It is usually feed too slow or welding up too close. Aside from that a feed issue maybe too much spool tension or wire not tight enough in feeder.
Reply:did you change the drive rollers back to the proper set for the 0.025 wire? Burnback like that sounds like the wire is slipping.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:Thanks for the responses.
Originally Posted by Louie1961
did you change the drive rollers back to the proper set for the 0.025 wire? Burnback like that sounds like the wire is slipping.
Reply:Man listen to these folks th3y know what they are talking aboutRetired Old GuyHobart 210Lincoln AC/DC 225/125 Evolution 14 Saw
Reply:Do you all have recommendations for settings? For either 0.030 or 0.025. I think I will finish my present task at 0.030 because I can at least get somewhere.I'm currently welding 16ga patch to 18 gauge sheet metal. Chart suggests:Wire feed 145 Voltage 16.5Inductance 3-5 20-30 CFHI have not found the chart to be very useful. I find that the wire speed is way too slow, but maybe I'm wrong. Before this issue I had been running at ~225 for speed.Since this issue started, the closest I've come to welding with 0.025 is on a flat piece of 16ga (not making a joint). The "sizzling bacon" sounds like too high of a frequency and it feels like it's trying to burn back. Then sometimes it turns into a mini blow torch.Last edited by Locust; 4 Days Ago at 02:56 PM.
Reply:Checked polarity ? Wire run-in ? Did any of the gun assembly come loose ? Maybe do a few wire speed checks (count to 6 with trigger pressed, measure multiply by ten) 3 tries should be within an inch of each other. Is the machine still under warranty ? Maybe call the company for Tech support. If the settings worked before the should work again, if not use the support and hold them to the warranty. They will likely ask you some of these same questions, and might better help you as they have a specific list of tests for that machine. They also have a better knowledge of the possible defects specific to that unit. A quick browse through reviews shows a few feed problems, seems like most were resolved by customer service. good luckAirco 250 ac/dc Heliwelder Square waveMiller Synchrowave 180 sdMiller Econo Twin HFLincoln 210 MPDayton 225 ac/dcVictor torchesSnap-On YA-212Lotos Cut60DPrimeweld 225 ac/dcPrimeweld mig180Miller AEAD-200
Reply:Which model Titanium do you have?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:i hate to be the one to say it but when you buy nearly the cheapest welder on the planet you set yourself up for alot of greif. theres a reason why good welders cost 10x more. you can all but bet your life they work perfect everytimeinvertig 221 water cooledhypertherm powermax 30xpfronius transpocket 180fronius transsteel 2200fronius iwave 230i water cooled
Reply:Pull the nozzle and tip and see if the machine feeds wire. Sounds like a wire feeding issue as Louie suggested with drive rollers. If it welds with .030, I see no reason it shoudn’t be able to weld with .025if it feeds ok with out the tip try using a new or different tip.Last edited by N2 Welding; 4 Days Ago at 07:36 PM.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
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Originally Posted by cornchip
i hate to be the one to say it but when you buy nearly the cheapest welder on the planet you set yourself up for alot of greif. theres a reason why good welders cost 10x more. you can all but bet your life they work perfect everytime
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Originally Posted by Louie1961
That's nonsense. I am not going to say its the best welder in the world, but of the cheap welders it does a good job, and there have been a number of decent reviews compared the cheaper brands found on Amazon for instance. To me, if it welded fine with 0.025 wire, and it welds fine with 0.030 wire, and the only thing that has changed is the wire, then it is most likely in my opinion that in the process of changing from 0.025 wire to 0.030 wire, the OP changed something and didn't change it back when he went back to the smaller wire.
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding
spot on.
Reply:Thanks again for all of the responses. This afternoon I did about 1 foot of patch panel on 18/16 gauge with 0.030 with no burn back. I did butt welding with spot welds the whole way.Checked polarity ? Wire run-in ? Did any of the gun assembly come loose ? Maybe do a few wire speed checks (count to 6 with trigger pressed, measure multiply by ten) 3 tries should be within an inch of each other. Is the machine still under warranty ? Maybe call the company for Tech support. If the settings worked before the should work again, if not use the support and hold them to the warranty. They will likely ask you some of these same questions, and might better help you as they have a specific list of tests for that machine. They also have a better knowledge of the possible defects specific to that unit. A quick browse through reviews shows a few feed problems, seems like most were resolved by customer service.
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Originally Posted by Locust
Thanks for the responses.Yes, I do have the roller installed correctly for the wire. It is feeding well.I have played around with the feed and the tension on the wire without success. When I first got the welder 7 months ago I had to spend some time adjusting the feed (the chart has it way too low in my opinion) so I am familiar with how it is "supposed" to react. It just doesn't anymore.Many times since I've had this welder I have been too close or far from the material at times, resulting in burn back or welding the tip. But it used to be that I would simply pull the wire out and move on, no problem. Now it just doesn't give a crap how far/close I am, it burns back every time.Yeah, I will work on dialing it in. I just have burning through the 18 gauge, and then there's a lot more grinding.Funny you should mention about bumping your welder and having it run differently. I have noticed this about my welder. It has always been the case that it will randomly run differently without me ever touching any setting. I'll get more burn back or can't get a weld started. I just have to walk away.
Reply:I'd try the .025 wire with a .030 tip! The .025 tips you have might be for .023 or .024. Either way try the next size up aka .030 and see if that solves the proplem. If so it's a feeding issue because of tips.Another thing while you are at it with .025 spooled in the machine is to time & measure the wire run out with out a tip installed. Need to know for sure the drive rollers and anything else along the way to the tip is not the problem.It's not rocket science but once you understand all the factors that come into play with wire feeding welders, it makes it easier to get to the bottom of what's causing the problems.Last edited by N2 Welding; 4 Days Ago at 12:18 AM.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
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Originally Posted by Louie1961
That's nonsense. I am not going to say its the best welder in the world, but of the cheap welders it does a good job, and there have been a number of decent reviews compared the cheaper brands found on Amazon for instance. To me, if it welded fine with 0.025 wire, and it welds fine with 0.030 wire, and the only thing that has changed is the wire, then it is most likely in my opinion that in the process of changing from 0.025 wire to 0.030 wire, the OP changed something and didn't change it back when he went back to the smaller wire.
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Originally Posted by cornchip
if a guy needs a one time use machine to weld his barn door back on then sure it makes sense but otherwise i think your better off spending a bit more on something you can rely on for years. but thats just my way off thinking. carry on
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding
I'd try the .025 wire with a .030 tip! The .025 tips you have might be for .023 or .024. Either way try the next size up aka .030 and see if that solves the proplem. If so it's a feeding issue because of tips.Another thing while you are at it with .025 spooled in the machine is to time & measure the wire run out with out a tip installed. Need to know for sure the drive rollers and anything else along the way to the tip is not the problem.It's not rocket science but once you understand all the factors that come into play with wire feeding welders, it makes it easier to get to the bottom of what's causing the problems.
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Originally Posted by 455dan
On trying the .030 Tip right but, but re reading his 1st post.-Tried a 0.030 tip w/ 0.025 wire-Disassembled torch, inspected and cleaned everything
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding
What is your contribution to this forum? Do you have how to post's or showed your abilities other than to talk trash about welders because it was purchased at a lower price point. So many things are built in china these days that it makes me sad to think there are no real Americans trying to one up any global welding equipment manufactures. We have the education shops capable of teaching but it seems those places are all infected with simpleton idealism's and changing this world through Plandemic ways of the likes of George Soros and so on. I much prefer George Strait as he's so much easier to listen to and understand the logic in his words.
Reply:If it was still 2x, this is what is different that 10 years, maybe 15 ago. Import knockoffs were junk and 1/2 the cost, made it a risky bet but now they have got way better even good and are at 20%, some even less. Wish they had this when I was a sprout, everything wass painfully expensive sold only at dealers which was a crap shoot all its own.Last edited by Sberry; 3 Days Ago at 08:01 AM.www.urkafarms.comOk nobody has talked about the liner in the torch lead, you may have worn a groove in the liner from the small wire and the larger wire does not catch in it. Many have a teflon liner inner to stop this.DIY CNC Plasma table USB BOB Price THCHypertherm 65Everlast PowerTig 255 EXTMiler 180 Mig13" metal latheMill/ DrillECT, ECT,
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Originally Posted by Locust
Funny you should mention about bumping your welder and having it run differently. I have noticed this about my welder. It has always been the case that it will randomly run differently without me ever touching any setting. I'll get more burn back or can't get a weld started. I just have to walk away.
Reply:No one is saying its as good as, they not saying its not junk but we see lots of failed good machines and when one of those goes south its a painful process. It would be different if the bargain ones cost the same but they dont. I have to say this after working with this a while. Good can be realative but I have some bargain I LIKE as good and a few better than the brand ones. I paid 150 for a drill in 91,, drill better than that at Walmart in 2020, 50$ 30 years later, 1/3 the price and 2x as good.www.urkafarms.com
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Originally Posted by Locust
And I was trying to put a lot of weight into "Made in the USA" during my purchasing, but I could find no straight answer on whether comparable welders made by American brands are actually made in the USA. Again, I felt like I would have been paying 2X more for a name. "Made in USA" is important, but I am not a charity and inflation is out of control. I did try an 0.030 tip with the 0.025 wire. And before I had this issue, I did a fair amount of welding like this when I ran out of 0.025 tips.I just wish I knew what it is that I am missing. My plan is to finish what I am working on now with 0.030 wire, and then go back to 0.025 to see if I can figure it out. Maybe later this week.
Reply:Sounds like he has been diligent. I been down this road, its hard to troubleshoot, no way around that, the next guy might be 5 minutes. I was having an engine problem, the weather contributed to it as it was bitter cold at the time but I tested and probe and replace till I am worn out, I call the engineer over and he says,,, bad thermostat and confirms with pointy heat gun,,,, duh,,,, never even thought of it, had it apart, didnt test but it looked like it came out of the box and never gave it a second thought. Working on your own stuff sucks especially when you need it troubleshooting. I had someone on staff, kind of retired and can get him on call but it sucks to have to go back to my own mind and am not that good at it anyway and dont know how most things mechanical work and am terrible mechanical engineer, some design and install is a different matter, I have skills to compensate but real brain stuff is another matter. Great thing about most welding, not real hard to figure out whats gotta be done.www.urkafarms.com
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Originally Posted by Locust
Do you all have recommendations for settings? For either 0.030 or 0.025. I think I will finish my present task at 0.030 because I can at least get somewhere.I'm currently welding 16ga patch to 18 gauge sheet metal. Chart suggests:Wire feed 145 Voltage 16.5Inductance 3-5 20-30 CFHI have not found the chart to be very useful. I find that the wire speed is way too slow, but maybe I'm wrong. Before this issue I had been running at ~225 for speed.Since this issue started, the closest I've come to welding with 0.025 is on a flat piece of 16ga (not making a joint). The "sizzling bacon" sounds like too high of a frequency and it feels like it's trying to burn back. Then sometimes it turns into a mini blow torch.
Reply:I was not meaning to trash the OP for his purchase or anyone that buys budget welders. They bought what they could afford for what they expect to get from it. Wonderful. Was just looking at the whole picture with where we are with quality machines. No body wants to talk about that. Imagine if we cuts trade with China. We would have NOTHING !!! SAD. Really friggin sad.My point was if we buy enough of these fine Chinesium machines it won't be long and that will be all there will be or the quality stuff will cost so much no one can afford it which by the sounds of things we are almost to that point now. It is just that anything you buy low quality like this nothing on them seems last more than a few years even if it worked good it is alreaady dilapidated. The cords, the hoses, the plastic all of it just degrades so fast it is incredible.Like buying any kind of hose or tire from these Harbor Freight, Northern Tool and Tractor Supply. In six months to a year they are all cracked and dry rotted and worthless and need replacing again.I get that you buy what you can afford and what you want to buy with your money and that is great but it sure as hell messes it up for the rest that will pay for quality and don't just need a tool for one use as quality stuff gets so expensive no one can buy it anymore. It is the plan and we are playing the game just how China wants us too.I know we are too far gone and a waste to even discuss the issue. Industry in America building qulity stuff has been replaced by Chinese junk that sells for no other reason than it is cheap. It is how it all started and they have just about finished us off. I am sorry but a welding machine you bump and it welds differently is not how any of this should work.Last edited by danielplace; 3 Days Ago at 09:54 AM.
Reply:It is like anything though. The quality starts to go away as the quality brands try and compete with the garbage. We are not winning. It is the black worm hole America is falling into fast.
Reply:Sounds like a wire feed issue, again check the drive rollers, check the tip, check the liner,.. Check the drive roller tension You should be able to point your mig torch towards a wall about 3-4 inches away and it should be strong enough to to push the wire and curl it up against the wall. Hope that makes sense.If it can't push the wire against the wall then it's slipping.Did you change the tension at all when you switched wires? Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Sberry
This is an interesting statement. Its kind of like it needs to be propped up with an emotional plea at the end. I quote danial but its not about him,,,, its about this argument and the reason they win is we go for the bad bet. First,,, its like anything,,, anything what? Absolutgely not, the best hasnt gotten poorer,,,, the cheaper has got better,,, way better and cheaper and can you imagine how much everything would cost if it wasnt for Walmarts and cheaper products??????????????????????????? I remember a plactic sink 40 yrs ago, same crap and 50$ at a local hwd and 30 later under 20 at Home Depot. Sears wrenches 5 and 10 dollars usa made junk in 1980, 2$ today and better, better fit, lifetime if anyone cares about it on 2$. Can afford it today out of pocket change. I did have a bad toaster,, from a big company and after we look I know what to look for which is a bit of a problem but,,, my Grandmother said this and then she thought it thru. She said, first toaster I had laster 50 hears,,, we saved up like church mice 6 months for it. Second only lasted 10 but I had to remind her,,,,it only cost 20$ and she bought it out of pocket so to speak while routine shopping. My last one in now decade or more and cost 15. They made a 7$ Sunbeam toaster then, it wasnt very good, kind of like the 9.85 HF grinder. But at 15 could get the generic at Menards, we looked, was the same base sections and pieces as all the models out to 90$. Today more than ever need to examine the builds, its not the brands with 10% off that are the bargains but the white bo9x before they put the brand on or sub brands are todays bargains. Seems easy to be amused at thge hi end items,,, they SHOULD be good but what really impresses me is the wrench I paid a dollar for off the shelf retail that I beat the snot out of with a 20 oz nail hammer tring to field remove a bleeder.
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding
What is your contribution to this forum? Do you have how to post's or showed your abilities other than to talk trash about welders because it was purchased at a lower price point. So many things are built in china these days that it makes me sad to think there are no real Americans trying to one up any global welding equipment manufactures. We have the education shops capable of teaching but it seems those places are all infected with simpleton idealism's and changing this world through Plandemic ways of the likes of George Soros and so on. I much prefer George Strait as he's so much easier to listen to and understand the logic in his words.Any way back at what you are preaching. Can you afford to buy what you are preaching. If so good for you. For others wanting to learn to do things on a "BUDGET" I see nothing wrong with using a cheap or cost effective product. GTFOH with that $hit! Oh I feel a ban coming. Sorry I call it like I see it!... Thinking of John T at this very moment.
Reply:I may have missed something but did you reverse the polarity for flux core, and back for gas? Is there a wire that runs well to use as a baseline setting?Did you buy an extended warranty?Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR"
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Reply:Read the whole post and got lost. So what’s the problem again?Retired Old GuyHobart 210Lincoln AC/DC 225/125 Evolution 14 Saw
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Originally Posted by NotaVegetarian
Read the whole post and got lost. So whats the problem again?
Reply:Dones he have the. .025 tip. Mine did that when I didn’t change tips from .03 to .025Retired Old GuyHobart 210Lincoln AC/DC 225/125 Evolution 14 Saw
Reply:Wow, lots of good info! Thanks again.To those of you who have suggested checking the liner, I will do so. It is a coiled liner. It is hard to estimate how much wire I have run through it. I doubt I am 10% through an 11 pound spool. I will do the suggested tests of pulling wire through with pliers while it's in a "natural" position (not straight).I will also blow it out. I am doing a lot of grinding so perhaps it has gotten dirty.I may have missed something but did you reverse the polarity for flux core, and back for gas? Is there a wire that runs well to use as a baseline setting?Did you buy an extended warranty?
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Originally Posted by danielplace
Now the quality is leaving the quality brands so they can still sell it because it cost more to make good stuff.It is like anything though. The quality starts to go away as the quality brands try and compete with the garbage. We are not winning. It is the black worm hole America is falling into fast.
Reply:I would call HF customer service and pick their brain, probably wont have a solution, if still under a warranty they will give you a return number to go get a new machine. They offered me a new machine for a possible high freq start problem on my Vulcan 205. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by NotaVegetarian
Dones he have the. .025 tip. Mine did that when I didn’t change tips from .03 to .025
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Originally Posted by danike110
I would call HF customer service and pick their brain, probably won’t have a solution, if still under a warranty they will give you a return number to go get a new machine. They offered me a new machine for a possible high freq start problem on my Vulcan 205. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:I wouldnt bother blowing the liner out. At that diameter it would be like blowing a golf ball through a garden hose. Stick with pulling line with pliers or better yet imo feeding the wire by hand with the drive rollers unlocked and a loose wire spool tension so its easy to push wire through by hand to see if you can feel any resistance. Last thing if its nothing to do with feeding issues then it has to be with the settings of wire speed rate vs voltage settings. Turn volts way down and wire speed up to see if you can get the machine to feed .025 wire without burning back and adjust the setting from there by adjusting the speed down and voltage up until you get an acceptable arc. Its always possible the machine is defective but if .030 works fine then that dont make sense unless this is a synergistic auto set type machine. Do you manually adjust the settings or does it have an auto set for each wire diameter?Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding
I wouldnt bother blowing the liner out. At that diameter it would be like blowing a golf ball through a garden hose. Stick with pulling line with pliers or better yet imo feeding the wire by hand with the drive rollers unlocked and a loose wire spool tension so its easy to push wire through by hand to see if you can feel any resistance. Last thing if its nothing to do with feeding issues then it has to be with the settings of wire speed rate vs voltage settings. Turn volts way down and wire speed up to see if you can get the machine to feed .025 wire without burning back and adjust the setting from there by adjusting the speed down and voltage up until you get an acceptable arc. Its always possible the machine is defective but if .030 works fine then that dont make sense unless this is a synergistic auto set type machine. Do you manually adjust the settings or does it have an auto set for each wire diameter?
Reply:I have had to replace every rubber cord and none of the Vinal ones? Go figure. I got a 4 HF hoses going on 30 years and 1 spent 20 outside on a reel. Cant say I bought tires. My point is that the quality of economy has risen so fast and cheap there really isnt a whole lot of point to spend upscale. It used to be a question, 20 years ago,,, is it worth it, was tilting then and what I can say is,,,, bought some 1/2 impact wobble extensions, hit the snot out of them with a hot air gun, work perfect. How long will they last, not sure, 5 or 10 years in and look like they will last rest of my life. I understand you can,,,, if you want spend 120 on some, fine by me, great for that company and a chain of worker bees. When a guy figures the sales tax everyone wins but me, cost 120 = tax to do work I can do for 12$ but yet we can somehow come up with an explanation how that dont make sense? We wonder whats wrong with American education? When I get a salesman tell me his is worth more cause its got a better trade in I ask,,,, put it on a spread sheet for me,,, show me where its better to spend 10 large today in hopes I get 5 more back in 10 years? Yes,,, the cost ofd Snap tools goes up but the depreciation is the same and on a lot more dollars. You can make an argument you like it better and maybe even ultimately it is some better but it aint 30X better to me than a common wrench I been using 30 yrs and paid 3$ for. Every set of that stuff comes with 11/32 and 11mm, only use 1/2 the wobbles and unis in a set, how good does it have to be and what good does it do me to park that money?www.urkafarms.com
Reply:Didn't read all the responses but .023/.025"" wire is the most prone to feeding problems. I was having a very similar problem. I bought some .023" wire several years ago and gave up because after trying 3 different spools all them had the wire inter-twined on the spool. It would work until the "knot" stopped it from feeding. There doesn't have to be very much resistance at all to cause the wire to feed slightly slower causing burn back. Also check the tension on the spool. If it's just slightly too tight can cause the same symptoms. If at all possible look for layer wound wire if you want to have any success using .023" wire. Also use a 10 foot Mig gun at the very longest with a liner designed for .023" and .030" wire and keep it as straight as possible. A .035"/.045" liner can cause problems feeding .023" wire especially in a 12Ft. or longer Mig gun. Also use the proper size contact tip. .030" wire should work fine for 18 gauge and less prone to the problems with .023" wire.Last edited by Welder Dave; 3 Days Ago at 03:03 PM.
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Originally Posted by danielplace
They may not all be junk but yours is if it is doing that. Hard to defend the machine when you say it does stuff like this. Seems like there may be something to buying a quality machine after all.If the junk machines really were as good as good machines we would only have junk machines(I mean good junk machines). I have yet to see any bargain priced off brand ANYTHING that was as good as what we were originally getting from the quality brands. Now the quality is leaving the quality brands so they can still sell it because it cost more to make good stuff.It is like anything though. The quality starts to go away as the quality brands try and compete with the garbage. We are not winning. It is the black worm hole America is falling into fast.I fully understand why people buy them though. One word "PRICE" and that is where you must accept there will be some compromise.The time to walk away is before you purchase the crappola. The more they sell of the crap the more the good stuff has to cost. Stop buying the crap. Lol. Just messing but it is true that cheap makes it affordable to those who would otherwise never get a machine at all. Here we are.Flame suit is on. I am just saying what I am seeing. Sorry if I offend anyone. It is just my opinion of it all. |
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