Just added an HTP Inverarc 200 TLP stick welder to the arsenal

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Nothing fancy, just recycling some old 5"x5"x 4.8mm square tube to make into a rack to hold my steel/aluminum.  

Welds are nothing to look at; edges were rough-cut with plasma using no guide, I was purposely long-arc'ing it, stubbing into the weld puddle to purposely stick the rod (as I tried different Arc Force settings), trying different hot-start settings.  Just getting an over-all feel for it.  The verdict:  This. Little. LUNCHBOX. kicks.  a$$.  Even without setting it to cellulosic mode, it lit up Lincoln Pipeliner 6P+'s (E6010s) without even the slightest hesitation (with correct amperage, and appropriate H.S & A.F.).  I think if I do set it to cellulosic mode, 6010s will probably just obliterate into dust!

  But really, it has a real nice arc, very forgiving, and easy-start's all the rods I tried, from Lincoln Excalibur 7018MR H4R, to Pipeliner 5P+/6P+, to cheapie "Best Welds" and Blue Demon rods.  It gobbled them up and spit them out.Last edited by Oscar; 12-04-2018 at 10:12 PM.

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Reply:How does it compare to the stick side of the Invertig 221?Millermatic 211 w/Spoolmate 150Hypertherm PMX45XPWishlist:HTP Invertig 221
Reply:Cute little nipper isn't it?
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Originally Posted by DerekV

How does it compare to the stick side of the Invertig 221?
Reply:Looks like a nice machine, how long is the power cord and is it as stuff as it looks
Reply:Your 221 and the inverarc 200 both do pulse stick as well. The 221 will also stick weld in a/c with adjustable frequency. The 221 will also let you stick weld with your foot pedal .Eventual master of the obvious, practitioner of "stream of consciousness fabrication".  P.S. I edit almost every post because because I'm posting from my phone and my fingers sometimes move faster than my brain.
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Originally Posted by Sedanman

Your 221 and the inverarc 200 both do pulse stick as well. The 221 will also stick weld in a/c with adjustable frequency. The 221 will also let you stick weld with your foot pedal .
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Originally Posted by Oscar

I think it might be a bit smoother than the 221, but then again I haven't used the stick mode on the 221 in a while.  It sure seems like it's smoother, easier starting, and the arc is very nice.  But of course that could just be me wanting it to be better.  I've never had any other quality stick welders, so I can't really compare to other machines, but even so, I really like how it runs.  My 221 has the advantage of being dual-voltage, so I can actually use it in stick mode if I limit the amperage to about 80-90A.  ~110A or more, and it will pop a 20A breaker in 3 seconds. No biggie, that works just fine for 6011 up to 3.2mm, and 6013/7018 up to 2.4mm.  But I digress.  The Inverarc 200 TLP will definitely be my go-to stick welder unless I wanna fool around with the fully adjustable pulse stick welding of the PP300.
Reply:Hey Oscar... You ever do any stainless welding with that 300?
Reply:Nope, if I ever have to do stainless, I'll just fire up the TIG.

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Originally Posted by Oscar

Nope, if I ever have to do stainless, I'll just fire up the TIG.
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Originally Posted by jagboy69

Thanks...  I'm on the fence on buying the 300.  It's not something I need, but more of a want.  I've got so much stainless work in front of me, I'd be 90yrs old if I ran tig.  Mig is my only option.
Reply:I am not familier with stick pulse but that is the only feature the HTP 200TPl has that the new Everlast Powerarc210 SPL does not have at barely over 1/3rd the price of the HTP.   I am not sure that feature is worth the extra cost.  The duty cycle of the Everest is 2.5 times as high as the HTP also at 200 amps being 35%.  I would like to try some stick welding with pulse to see how benaficial it is.   I am sure the HTP is a good machine, I am also sure the Everlast 210SPL is also. I have purchased 3 Everest machines and am satisfied with all of them for the most part. The Everlast will also run on 120v if needed.  I would love to see a shootout of the 2 machines.
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Originally Posted by thegary

I am not familier with stick pulse but that is the only feature the HTP 200TPl has that the new Everlast Powerarc210 SPL does not have at barely over 1/3rd the price of the HTP.   I am not sure that feature is worth the extra cost.  The duty cycle of the Everest is 2.5 times as high as the HTP also at 200 amps being 35%.  I would like to try some stick welding with pulse to see how benaficial it is.   I am sure the HTP is a good machine, I am also sure the Everlast 210SPL is also. I have purchased 3 Everest machines and am satisfied with all of them for the most part. The Everlast will also run on 120v if needed.  I would love to see a shootout of the 2 machines.
Reply:Um....... I never said you were on the fence. I just made a statement about the 2 machines because they are both in the same market segment.  I am happy you like your new machine.  I am not sure where you found that your machine has a 45%duty cycle at 200 amps.  I just went to USAweld and the info there says it has a 10% duty cycle at 200 amps.  I hope you are correct , all I did is go by the info on their site.  I would still be interested in a shootout of the 2 machines, I could not care less about the brands, I want to know wich one is better and why.So don't get so offensive over nothinghttps://www.usaweld.com/HTP-Inverarc...rarc200tlp.htmhttps://www.everlastgenerators.com/p...owerarc-210stlLast edited by thegary; 12-08-2018 at 10:54 PM.
Reply:Oh ok, sounded like you were trying to convince me the Everlast was a better value or something, lol.   Interesting what's on the HTP webpage I do have to say.   One has to be a typo then, I'd be willing to bet it's the webpage and not the manual.  I got that picture from the manual.

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Reply:Sick pulse ? Like 3 /32 7014 and zzzzt zzzzt zzzt on sheet metal. Works pretty good on an inverted 110-220 volt at 80-90 amps or so(on 220).
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Originally Posted by Bonzoo

Sick pulse ? Like 3 /32 7014 and zzzzt zzzzt zzzt on sheet metal. Works pretty good on an inverted 110-220 volt at 80-90 amps or so(on 220).
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Originally Posted by Oscar

Yes, my three HTP machines can do stick pulse.


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Originally Posted by thegary

I can see some benefit to stick pulse for poor fits and open gaps but other than that I do not know, maybe it is benaficial for thin metal but I would have to play with it to get a feel for what it would be good for.
Reply:Just added an HTP ProPulse 200.....and an HTP Microcut 875SC  


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Reply:Holy cow that’s a setup
Reply:Looks like you're running low on electrodes there in that last shot...howcome they're all lying on the floor stacked like cordwood? Don't they roll around and get stepped on and so on?
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Originally Posted by Kelvin

Looks like you're running low on electrodes there in that last shot...howcome they're all lying on the floor stacked like cordwood? Don't they roll around and get stepped on and so on?
Reply:Oscar, better update the sig.Are you opening a shop?RichardWest coast of Florida

Originally Posted by LtBadd

Oscar, better update the sig.Are you opening a shop?
Reply:Added a 2nd ProPulse 200 back in March-ish.

But the HTP stork was flying around my house...... ....and just like that, BAM!    Dropped off this baby! An HTP ProPulse 220 MTS !  



The slider control for my ProPulse 300 works with this machine too, so its pretty awesome. Full manual control on-the-fly of synergic settings. Hot start, down slope, hotter weld, colder weld, during short-circuit, std pulse, double-pulse, all eazy-peazy! Freakin sweet.

More firepower! Arg! Arg!




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Reply:Is that HTP Inverarc 200 TLP actually hooked-up to a water cooler?
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Originally Posted by mbmalone

Is that HTP Inverarc 200 TLP actually hooked-up to a water cooler?
Reply:Why yes Sir, it is.  It is the only 50ft water-cooled stick welder on the entire planet.


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Originally Posted by Jawslandshark

Why yes Sir, it is.  It is the only 50ft water-cooled stick welder on the entire planet.


serious rod burner. Don't think I have ever got one hot enough to need water cooling but a neat idea if it works.
Reply:I would really like an HTP Inverarc 200 TLP, but it won't run on 120v for small portable jobs and doesn't have a built-in gas solenoid which is really killing it for me. Pulse stick is nice, but that's really more for cast iron repairs and hardfacing. I could skip any extra features on the Everlast PowerARC 210STL, suffer it's inferior duty cycle and obnoxious fan, even buy an extended warranty which would cover shipping costs and ease issues with future repairs. The HTP just costs so much more with fewer features and a bit more power and portability, I can't seem to justify buying the HTP. I want to use a finger Amptrol, but  the gas value required with the HTP is going to be in the way. I keep comparing the two primarily stick welders, but I feel like I would regret spending 3x the money on the HTP. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's what I'm seeing. Not a big fan of Everlast, either. I got kicked off their facebook group for asking too many questions.Last edited by mbmalone; 07-13-2019 at 06:41 PM.
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Originally Posted by mbmalone

I would really like an HTP Inverarc 200 TLP, but it won't run on 120v for small portable jobs and doesn't have a built-in gas solenoid which is really killing it for me. Pulse stick is nice, but that's really more for cast iron repairs and hardfacing. I could skip any extra features on the Everlast PowerARC 210STL, suffer it's inferior duty cycle and obnoxious fan, even buy an extended warranty which would cover shipping costs and ease issues with future repairs. The HTP just costs so much more with fewer features and a bit more power and portability, I can't seem to justify buying the HTP. I want to use a finger Amptrol, but  the gas value required with the HTP is going to be in the way. I keep comparing the two primarily stick welders, but I feel like I would regret spending 3x the money on the HTP. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's what I'm seeing. Not a big fan of Everlast, either. I got kicked off their facebook group for asking too many questions.
Reply:I discovered a discrepancy in the HTP 200 TLP regarding the listed duty cycle of 100% @ 160A which was claimed in all the review videos I watched and also in their Owner's manual. When their tech support replied back, they admitted that the Owner's manual incorrectly overstated the duty cycle. Apparently the old models had the higher duty cycle, but it was reduced to 100% @ 115A a couple of years ago when they "detuned" the welder due to overheating and reliability issues. I was very disappointed to discover this on my own, as HTP simply made a small change on their website correctly listing the reduced duty cycle specs for the welder, never correcting the owner's manual or apparently notifying any of the reviewers of this significant reduction in capability. I guess if you were lucky enough to have purchased an older model, you're golden. They said you might get more out of it if you live somewhere colder, but I live in S. Louisiana.Last edited by mbmalone; 07-16-2019 at 12:25 PM.
Reply:Quite a collection of HTP ya got going on Oscar! Everyone Iv'e talked to or read online really likes those machines, might have to try one out one of these days. Congrats on the new additions.

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Originally Posted by Oscar

Um.........I already have the machine, I'm not on the fence.

Good for you that you like Everlast.  I like HTP.

  BTW, the duty cycle of the HTP Inverarc 200 TLP is 45% @ 200A.  Your Everlast is 35% at the same amperage.  At 160A, the Inverarc 200 has 100% duty cycle, the Everlast 60%.  Yes, it's more expensive, but it's that much more of a machine.  Not in the same overall league.  

HTP Inverarc 200 TLP:

Everlast:

Nothing compares?  Perhaps for what it costs.  


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Originally Posted by Oscar

Oh ok, sounded like you were trying to convince me the Everlast was a better value or something, lol.   Interesting what's on the HTP webpage I do have to say.   One has to be a typo then, I'd be willing to bet it's the webpage and not the manual.  I got that picture from the manual.
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Originally Posted by lugweld

Only thing I can see is that it has pulse. But our 161STH has that.  Yes, the HTP is in a different class, price wise, but that's about it.  If people feel good about a machine by paying a 3 to 4 fold increase in price, and they feel that makes things superior, by all means, it's their money to waste.  Their manual states that 6013 is a cellulosic rod.  I wonder if their duty cycle is off and they make claims like what class they are really in.
Reply:Finally a video on this cool little stick welder!  

  Upcoming videos with arc shots.Next videos I'll do some arc shots with various electrodes.  Gotta get back into practice!




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Originally Posted by Oscar

Finally a video on this cool little stick welder!  

  Upcoming videos with arc shots.Next videos I'll do some arc shots with various electrodes.  Gotta get back into practice!



Reply:The manual states 6013 as a cellulose electrode? Lol. They sure know they’re stuff. No thanks. I’ll happily continue running my old Lincoln.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
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Originally Posted by snoeproe

The manual states 6013 as a cellulose electrode? Lol. They sure know they’re stuff. No thanks. I’ll happily continue running my old Lincoln.
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Originally Posted by Oscar

So it's a typo, big deal.  I can just cross it out an write "rutile" and it wouldn't change anything.  


Reply:Welcome Deepwinter. Yes it is great, too bad it was discontinued here in the USA.  HTP no longer carries it.  Shame, but I guess it was rather expensive for a stick welder.  I love how the arc "sings" to you as you weld



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Reply:Shoot Oscar,I think if I had all that fancy electronic stuff to power your welding machines I would expand my buying into the used markets. Some of those very modern old school 3 phase transformer machines are just great welding units.I have been happy exploring some cheap options on Plasma cutters, and large mig units. Used my Esab C-352 for some spray welding today. Super nice spray running off my Rotary converter. As good as any new inverter, and probably better then most.. It will only last about 100 years more pushing it beyond normal welding needs. Second thing about messing with used stuff,you can learn a whole lot about what works with what.. Let me explain. I have a $150.00 Plasma cutter that is about 20 plus years old.. I adapted a SL-40 torch to it, and it works better then that torch ever did on a factory setup.. Not by a little, but totally awesome unit now..Consumable life is excellent, cut Kerf is tiny, and the arc is powerful.. I can use my SL-60 torch on it,but since the SL-40 is a perfect match,no need too..Just some thoughts to expand your buying options other then China..

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