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Thinking about looking at one for sale. I did a little research on this unit and see that it is basically the same as a ESAB PCM-625i 40amp plasma cutter. At 20 years old would this be a decent plasma cutter if the price is right and are consumables still available. I don't know what torch it has but it is said to be working good. It is a green machine labeled with L-tec VPi
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Reply:N2, The torch should be a PT-31XL 25'. As far as I know, this is a torch that has a large aftermarket behind it. I don't know much about the history of the unit.
Reply:It is the same as the ESAB 625. Nothing changed forever on these. They were very popular and pretty durable too. The torch is the PT31 as stated above and it and the consumables are very inexpensive on E-Bay. As any inverter it could last 1 day or another 10 years. If I remember correctly from my distributor days selling a Lot of VPI's the torch system is designed for Drag Cutting. There are a crap load of these VPI's still on the job. Just remember you can buy a New 40 amp 115/230v Thermal Dynamics with a 4 year warranty for under 1K. Just mentioned it as a price measuring tool.
Reply:Thanks for the info. The price seems fair to me for what it is. I Would not dream of buying without checking it out under load for some time to make sure it gives a good bill of health. Thank you again. If it is stil available I think I will go check it out.I was interested in learning about how well they perform and how nice of a cut they give.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Seller said it has not been used in 5 years so he is going to get it hooked up today and let me know how it works. I still need to test for myself but at least this way I won't waste my gas and time to look at the machine.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Was able to test it out today and made the purchase. Cut's 1/4" and smaller pretty good. Little bit slow and sloppy on 1/2" steel.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:See if you can fit factory original XT consumables in the torch.. Post up the plasma head..The 40 amp Esab's cut pretty well,and like a laser on.250 If it only takes XL consumables, then you will not really get all that great of cuts..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Well it has the xl torch. I will no doubt look into that Scott. I saw that torch handles may be purchased so I may be able to cobble something together. Sitting at a gas station trying to decide on a redbox movie. Will be home soon and will post up images of the torch.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Ok I have 20 pics so I'll break it down into four posts.
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Reply:http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Pack-20860...EAAOSwiDFYOSj2right stuff..You can get nozzles from Zoro tools also.. Aftermarket, but excellent USA quality.There is also a long life 35-40 amp nozzle available.. The E-bay ones are a little smaller orifice Both are good.. 21008Last edited by Brand X; 03-27-2017 at 12:51 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:google search pulled up this page on esab that says the XL torch uses patented XT consumables.http://www.esabna.com/us/en/products...roductCode=159Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
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Originally Posted by Brand X
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Pack-20860...EAAOSwiDFYOSj2right stuff..You can get nozzles from Zoro tools also.. Aftermarket, but excellent USA quality.There is also a long life 35-40 amp nozzle available.. The E-bay ones are a little smaller orifice Both are good.. 21008
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google search pulled up this page on esab that says the XL torch uses patented XT consumables.http://www.esabna.com/us/en/products...roductCode=159
Reply:Swirl-rings last until they don't..Nozzle... Look at the hole,.Round? Once you get on to using them, they will last pretty good.Swirl ring will go in either way to make the swirl go the other way.. Kind of cool really. Change your good side to where you want it.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Just saw this 10x nozzle & 10x electrode kit for $25.00http://www.ebay.com/itm/PT31XT-amp-P.../221192704069?Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
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Just saw this 10x nozzle & 10x electrode kit for $25.00http://www.ebay.com/itm/PT31XT-amp-P.../221192704069?
Reply:Sounds like a good plan to buy all original parts while I still can and do like you say and use the cheap consumables for scrapping lawn tractors and such. I am so stoked about finally having a plasma cutter. Now I have to take the time to read the user / owners manual.Thanks for the help
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Reply:Hooked it up today and made about 4 cuts across .250 x 3" that I had previously practiced welding flat bead on the back side. I just wanted to make sure it still works as it did the day I tested it out before buying it. I looked for a breakdown and list of consumables and found this page to describe all the part numbers for the gun. Is this all the parts I would ever need for the gun? From what I can see the electrode is the same regardless of what tip I am using and I see three different tips ranging in order 30amp, 40amp & 50amp. Would I ever benefit from using the 50amp tips since this is only a 40amp machine?Here is the parts list I was talking about.https://weldingsupply.com/cgi-bin/en...rch:esabconsumEDIT: I see there is 15amp, 30amp, 40amp, 50amp, 30amp XT, 35/40amp XT & 50amp XT tips. So in total about 7 different tips to choose from? All using the same electrode? I'm hoping to clear up the confusion as to what tips I should be getting. So many questions. How often does the plunger need replacing?
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Reply:The 21008,20860 nozzles are all you should use.. Think about the 21008 as the long life nozzles, and the 20860 as the high performance nozzles.. That's how they are sold at some places.. The 15 amp you will not find, and the 50 amps will do nothing, but really lower the cut quality, and speed. Bad idea..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Thanks again
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Reply:I wanted to look at the condition of the parts under a microscope " poor vision " and discovered the tip that was on the machine is actually a 50amp tip. This makes me a little excited to see what the other tips will cut like. Just ordered the 30 amp precision tips on ebay and about to pull the trigger on the 40amp kit So I have a nice package to keep all the consumables together as well as the Lube.How or where is the Lube applied in the gun or parts?
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Reply:Put it on the torch o-ring.. if you feel like putting a tiny/thin layer bit on the back on the electrode,it won't hurt anything. Towards the pin in the torch.. I still like the PT.31 torch , and you will find .250 ms will cut as nice as anything made today. It will also do a nice clean cut on Aluminum..It's not that I have not owned other machines to compare too. Smallest torch head you will find too. I wish i would of kept my Handyplasma 380 with it;s 25 ft torch lead I put on it..I really like torches with a reversible swirl ring for cutting left handed..By the way, I have the adapter to mount a Victor SL-60 torch with the ATC setup to all those Esab's. Only makes sense to do on the 875-1125 machines, because you give up way too much on the 40 amps and below machines.You only gain on the bigger machines..Last edited by Brand X; 03-29-2017 at 02:40 PM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140iBrushing up on the user manual some more. From what I am understanding the Plunger is reversible too and it is the part that engages and disengages or disables the torch should the momentary switch be pushed while the torch is disassembled. The only thing I have not ordered yet is the O-Ring and the Seat. How often does the seat and plunger need replacing?Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Almost never..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Good good good. So there is no reason to have more than one spare on hand in my parts kit box.
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Reply:Looking over the torch manual I see the difference between the PT31-XL and PT31XLPC is about .500 or 1/2" with the XL being the shorter at 2.250" and the XLPC being 2.750". Now here is where I am confused about the torch I got. It says PT31 XL on the torch but when I measure it and look at the images of the two torches my torch looks like a PT31-XLPC the longer torch. Are they basically the same torch with interchangeable parts to make them either an XL or XLPC?
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Reply:When you add the long tip consumables.. There is your difference. I think it's kind of a hold over to the XL torches that take the double sided electrodes, and short tips.. Just call yours a PC and it's good to go.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
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When you add the long tip consumables.. There is your difference. I think it's kind of a hold over to the XL torches that take the double sided electrodes, and short tips.. Just call yours a PC and it's good to go.
Reply:No, there are quality electrodes built both ways..With the high freq, you can get away with the cheaper China electrodes pretty well. Nothing really moves in the torch, and i never had a issue with them.. Still prefer using the USA stuff, most the time..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Yeah these were made in USA ESAB parts. I pulled them out of the package my self. They were hanging on a rotating rack near the check out counter. Any way I was thinking the Chrome plating might help with longevity of the parts as the tips have the same chrome plating on them. In fact I asked the lady helping me with my purchase and she told me it must have been an original part. I shrugged it off as her not knowing what she was talking about.
but also thought she might be on to something. I know such a contradiction... I can hardly wait until the correct nozzles arrive and I am able to start cutting things up with laser like precision. One can hope so any way.
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By the way, I have the adapter to mount a Victor SL-60 torch with the ATC setup to all those Esab's. Only makes sense to do on the 875-1125 machines, because you give up way too much on the 40 amps and below machines.You only gain on the bigger machines..
Reply:So I was working on a Receiver hitch plate to be used between a Garden Tractor and a Cherry picker and got to using the new consumables. It is not very easy to make nice clean cuts for me for some reason. Maybe it was because I was out of position squatting down while cutting IDK but My tips took a beating. I think either my technique is very poor or the settings on the machine are off or something else is going on that I am not able to figure out. I have been wondering about the air going into the machine. The machine has an air filter water separator thing with a regulator and I'm not sure it is working correctly. According to the user manual the Air is suppose to be adjusted to 75 psi for all cutting or is that not correct. I am not sure about the psi thing.Another thing is that the PSI gauge at the machine regulator reads 80 psi but when the air starts flowing the psi drops to about 60 psi. Would this cause problems? I have not been able to adjust the air so that it stays at 75 psi while air is flowing to torch.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:I made a best offer of $50.00 last night on ebay and the offer was accepted for an ESAB Basic plasma Circle cutting kit 0558002675
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding
Pondering what you mean by this... Are you saying that the 40amp machines can use the SL-60 torch with an adaptor or are you saying the PCM 875-1125 machines are better for using the SL-60 torch? I am confused by this statement.Edit: NVM I get it now it only makes sense for the SL-60 on the bigger machines 875-1125
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding
Pondering what you mean by this... Are you saying that the 40amp machines can use the SL-60 torch with an adaptor or are you saying the PCM 875-1125 machines are better for using the SL-60 torch? I am confused by this statement.Edit: NVM I get it now it only makes sense for the SL-60 on the bigger machines 875-1125
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding
So I was working on a Receiver hitch plate to be used between a Garden Tractor and a Cherry picker and got to using the new consumables. It is not very easy to make nice clean cuts for me for some reason. Maybe it was because I was out of position squatting down while cutting IDK but My tips took a beating. I think either my technique is very poor or the settings on the machine are off or something else is going on that I am not able to figure out. I have been wondering about the air going into the machine. The machine has an air filter water separator thing with a regulator and I'm not sure it is working correctly. According to the user manual the Air is suppose to be adjusted to 75 psi for all cutting or is that not correct. I am not sure about the psi thing.Another thing is that the PSI gauge at the machine regulator reads 80 psi but when the air starts flowing the psi drops to about 60 psi. Would this cause problems? I have not been able to adjust the air so that it stays at 75 psi while air is flowing to torch.
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All ESAB units can use the SL60 or even SL40. The 875 and 1125 see an marked improvement in out put power. The ESAB and Hypertherm guys Hated these adaptations. lol...
Reply:Ok thank you Scott. I will look into the filter/regulator combo to see if I can do anything to increase the flow psi.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:It's showing 75 psi for XT consumables.. All my PT-31 machines wanted 80 psi. (380.500i, Powercut 650,but the125,250 used less psi with the short consumables) With the high freq setup, no blowing the arc out like the blow-back torch styles.. Old school still have a few things going for it.. No moving torch parts,and the smallest torch head there is. Right now wish I never sold the Handy-plasma 380. Esab fixed that machine over time..(Italian) http://www.esab.ca/literature/plasma...i_f-15-228.pdfLast edited by Brand X; 04-06-2017 at 01:30 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Yeah I was under the same impression of using 75 psi from the same manual. I read that thing twice and I get the 75 psi from what I have circled in the following illustration. I do notice how it says at least 75 psi.
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Reply:I made some more cuts this evening on thin gauge sheet for an engine plate and frame for the front suspension of a Scott's lawn tractor he he he. Using a 1.5" x 1.5" angle iron with two edges facing down and middle facing up I was able to make some really nice cuts with the 35/40 21008 nozzles.Last edited by N2 Welding; 04-06-2017 at 02:35 AM.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Start using the trigger lock, because it will help you relax from holding the button down. Works real well with that setup..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:I cut 5/8" solid round with ease. I am learning to angle the nozzle away until the cutting is established and to not drag the nozzle on thicker gauge material. I will try the trigger lock. Not really making long enough cuts to worry about it yet. I had that aha moment earlier when cutting the engine plate.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
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Do not put a SL-40 torch on a High freq machine,The SL-40 torch is not rated for High freq.(does not work either) You will gain almost nothing with a SL-60 torch on your machine. Larger machines yes, but lose-lose on anything with the PT-31XT setup..You need to get the to flow @ 8O PSI while purging.. I had the 1125, so I know the consumable life sucked. Got better with the 1500 powercut,and PT-32 torch, Then the last Esab PT-37-38-39 is a fantastic torch.. I did put a SL-60 torch on a Thermal 38XL, and that doubled what that machine would cut on it's 29 amps..
Reply:I saw an sl60 in local CL for $200 but have no use for it.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Just one of adapters for Esab work on almost all of the older machines. I have the Esab adapter for the 1125 on down, and the ATC machine end,Sl-60 ATC torch.. Used you can get the RTP torch, and forgo the ATC setup. About $300.00 on Ebay total, new /old stock.. It could be worth it for the right guy,machine.. Some machines do not seem to need the pin bushing, and others do. Best order one anyway.The SL-40 torch would be a good one for the smaller Esab machines, but not in the cards..Last edited by Brand X; 04-06-2017 at 11:26 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200/ Lincoln feedersThermal 95sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered Thermal Drag-gun 35CThermal 15cINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Ooops I goofed the torch on CL was actually a SL-40
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