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Hey guys, does anybody have experience with the razorcut 45 by razorweld? I'm looking to buy a 45 amp plasma cutter in the near future and was pretty much dead set on the hypertherm powermax45 until my LWS told me about the razorcut 45. He said they have a torch that uses hypertherm consumables and he was really impressed by it and highly recommends it. The specs look good, but I haven't been able to find very much feedback on it. I know it's an imported machine (Jasic) and although I'd prefer the American made machine like hypertherm, it's about $1000 cheaper than the powermax45. I do like the fact that Razorweld does have a US customer service and repair facility and a 3 year warranty. I'm just a weekend warrior and I honestly think a 45amp machine will be overkill for what I typically do around my shop.
Reply:Right now amazon have it at 609 because its backordered. Only way to keep this price is ordering now for anyone interested. They did this 2 weeks ago and put this price only for the weekend and then raised it to 707 dollars.
Reply:It does NOT use the Hypertherm consumableswww.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:Welcome to the forum Jeff.Lincoln A/C 225Everlast P/A 200
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Originally Posted by M J Mauer
Welcome to the forum Jeff.
Reply:Looks like a clone of Italy S-45 torch.(Trafimet) I am guessing you could use original Italian consumables,and get decent performance out of it..$600.00 is worth it, for what you get. (IMO)http://www.amazon.com/Razorweld-JRWP.../dp/B00TTE3FA0Last edited by Brand X; 04-09-2016 at 09:20 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Well we shall see how the RazorWeld 45 will cut, just ordered one from Amazon. I will test it with the consumables that come with it, then with all original Trafimet consumables from Italy.Now all I have to do is wait for it to get here.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:Looks like a nice machine for the price......if price was my primary driver for buying a plasma, then this is a better choice than most of the other low cost imports. Here is important comparisons in regards to performance levels when compared to a Hypertherm Powermax45:Powermax45Duty cycle 50% at 5,940 watts output (45 amps at 132 load volts) rated at 104 F ambient temp. Air consumption: 6 cfm@90 psi. Warranty: 3 years power supply, 1 year torch. Shielded torch allows for drag and template cutting with no stiction or double arcing....result is longer consumable life, nozzle also uses (patented) conical flow technology to increase nozzle orifice cooling and increase arc energy density...longer nozzle life, better cut edge angularity. Powermax45 is equipped with a machine interface port for easy electrical connections for mechanized cutting applications.Razorcut 45Duty Cycle 30% at 4,320 watts (96 load volts at 45 amps) rated at 104 F ambient temp. Air consumption 6.7 cfm @ 90 psi. 3 year warranty on power supply, 3 month on torch. Torch is a copy of another copy with exposed nozzle technology (non shielded). Cuts well with a standoff, but pierce spatter and dragging will result in nozzle double arcing to the material....and rapid orifice wear, affecting cut quality and operating cost. Buy more consumables.....they are cheap to buy, but you will use more!So...you can see from the wattage (true cutting power) and duty cycle that the Powermax45 will have a lot more cutting power. The Powermax torch is easier (drag it) to learn and use, and the consumables (by design) will last dramatically longer....especially with a new user.Still, if purchase price is more important that long term operating cost and performance....this unit looks like a reasonable choice compared to others in its price range! Take a look at the Powermax30XP, it is lower priced than the Powermax45, can run on 120 or 240 (adapters included) comes with a nice protective case and Hypertherm to back it up. Still a little more costly than the import....but has many of the same benefits as the Powermax45, and a decent amount of power for a dual voltage machine!Jim Colt Hypertherm
Originally Posted by Jeffronismo
Hey guys, does anybody have experience with the razorcut 45 by razorweld? I'm looking to buy a 45 amp plasma cutter in the near future and was pretty much dead set on the hypertherm powermax45 until my LWS told me about the razorcut 45. He said they have a torch that uses hypertherm consumables and he was really impressed by it and highly recommends it. The specs look good, but I haven't been able to find very much feedback on it. I know it's an imported machine (Jasic) and although I'd prefer the American made machine like hypertherm, it's about $1000 cheaper than the powermax45. I do like the fact that Razorweld does have a US customer service and repair facility and a 3 year warranty. I'm just a weekend warrior and I honestly think a 45amp machine will be overkill for what I typically do around my shop.
Reply:One thing about the original S-45 torch.. You will get really nice cuts.. and many options on consumables as to styles,and amp ranges.. The swirl ring goes in both ways and that is a nice feature too. It's not always the latest, and the greatest that will work the best for you.. Sometimes there are other things that matter just as much or more.. I have used the S-45 with all the options, and consumable life is very good if you pay attention to what you are doing.. (Like not counting the extra $1000.00 in your pocket)
Plus the machine weighs about half as much.. .. So you are getting value, and that's the point, not that it's as good as a machine that cost 3 times as much..Last edited by Brand X; 04-09-2016 at 01:57 PM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Looks like a nice machine, and it's an interesting first post by the OP... Probably had the desired effect.
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Reply:Yep,... I dont think we need to be reminded that a machine that cost almost 3 times the price is going to be better each time that a lower cost machine option comes into this board. I know that a Hypertherm is better already. What I cant justify is 3 times the price if I am not going to cut 1/2 inch plate everyday, or if I dont have a business at the moment that would justify such investment. Maybe in the future I will, but not right now. Now,.. with that being said, eventually this smaller and cheaper machines will keep improving. Technology keeps getting cheaper even in good components , and eventually someone, somewhere, will design a simple machine that will use quality components and will reach an acceptable (or even a high quality) level of functioning and service. It may take a few years but we never even though a few years back that we could get a plasma for 600 dollars or even by 300(Lotos). With the economy the way its going and people wanting to do some money on the side, more people will opt for an alternative that will allow them to make money on the spot , even if the machine is used 3 times. Lets put things in perspective. If a machine like this will allow me to cut up to 1/4(most projects that garage mechanics do) , and let me have a return of 2000 dollars in the first year, it already was worth it. I have some projects that will automatically will earn me more than 200 dollars on the first sale , so that covers for one third of the machine cost already. 3 jobs like this and the machine would be paid for. If I get into big business then I will definitely buy a hypertherm. Also, regarding the consumables, the reviewer on amazon says that it uses trafimet consumables so lets hope is true.
Reply:The more you use the plasma...the cheaper the Hypertherm is (consumable life is a huge factor, cut speed as well, and if cut quality is better less time is spent on secondary operations.) Interestingly....it is harder to cut thin materials with best quality than thick.....many forget that.I totally agree that low cost machines are often the best choice, and in some cases the only choice for a hobbyist. I only post comparisons.....as there are many that think of plasma cutters as commodities.....that 45 amps is 45 amps and all torches are the same. That always needs clarification. If it was true...then Hypertherm would not be the largest plasma cutter manufacturer in the world......why would anyone pay more if they worked the same?Best regards! Jim Colt Hypertherm
Originally Posted by QCTechInsp
Yep,... I dont think we need to be reminded that a machine that cost almost 3 times the price is going to be better each time that a lower cost machine option comes into this board. I know that a Hypertherm is better already. What I cant justify is 3 times the price if I am not going to cut 1/2 inch plate everyday, or if I dont have a business at the moment that would justify such investment. Maybe in the future I will, but not right now. Now,.. with that being said, eventually this smaller and cheaper machines will keep improving. Technology keeps getting cheaper even in good components , and eventually someone, somewhere, will design a simple machine that will use quality components and will reach an acceptable (or even a high quality) level of functioning and service. It may take a few years but we never even though a few years back that we could get a plasma for 600 dollars or even by 300(Lotos). With the economy the way its going and people wanting to do some money on the side, more people will opt for an alternative that will allow them to make money on the spot , even if the machine is used 3 times. Lets put things in perspective. If a machine like this will allow me to cut up to 1/4(most projects that garage mechanics do) , and let me have a return of 2000 dollars in the first year, it already was worth it. I have some projects that will automatically will earn me more than 200 dollars on the first sale , so that covers for one third of the machine cost already. 3 jobs like this and the machine would be paid for. If I get into big business then I will definitely buy a hypertherm. Also, regarding the consumables, the reviewer on amazon says that it uses trafimet consumables so lets hope is true.
Reply:The other question is do you really need a "cheap plasma" now or can you use a chop saw, OA torch or other equipment to cut what you need. I use my other cutting tools 10 to 1 over how much I use my plasma.I'd be looking in the classifieds for a quality used machine. HT, ESAB, TD miller etc.Tiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Thanks Jim! What are those same specs for the 30xp?
Reply:Thanks for the replies and discussion. I appreciate it! I've been looking at this forum as a visitor for a while and finally decided to register and post because I couldn't find what I was looking for. The main reason I'm interested in the Razorweld unit (other than price) is because my LWS that recommended the razorcut showed me an optional torch that was NOT the Included S-45 style. It had consumable part reference numbers that were interchangeable with hypertherm. I was told it's an insulated torch and DOES have drag cut ability. Like I said, I'm just a hobbyist so I won't be using it all day everyday, but I don't want to buy a cheap piece of crap. I have a chop saw and band saw that I use for cutting square tubing and smaller stuff and I use my metal circular saw for plate. The plasma would just be used for cutting materials that I can't use one of the other methods with and for those weird shapes or maybe some designs down the road.
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Originally Posted by Jeffronismo
Thanks for the replies and discussion. I appreciate it! I've been looking at this forum as a visitor for a while and finally decided to register and post because I couldn't find what I was looking for. The main reason I'm interested in the Razorweld unit (other than price) is because my LWS that recommended the razorcut showed me an optional torch that was NOT the Included S-45 style. It had consumable part reference numbers that were interchangeable with hypertherm. I was told it's an insulated torch and DOES have drag cut ability. Like I said, I'm just a hobbyist so I won't be using it all day everyday, but I don't want to buy a cheap piece of crap. I have a chop saw and band saw that I use for cutting square tubing and smaller stuff and I use my metal circular saw for plate. The plasma would just be used for cutting materials that I can't use one of the other methods with and for those weird shapes or maybe some designs down the road.
Reply:I would really like to see the torch your LWS was talking about and the consumables it uses. The only torch that I know of that you can use Hypertherm consumables in is the CB50 and its a High Frequency torch and the RazorWeld is not a HF plasma cutter.Also the S45 has drag cut capability.Last edited by mechanic416; 04-09-2016 at 05:17 PM.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:Just because someone made a torch that you can screw HT consumables onto, does not mean that it will work like a HT torch on a HT machine. My guess is the only benefit is the LWS makes more money selling you HT consumables that don't last any longer than the cheap Chinese ones because the patented HT torch and machine are not behind the consumables to make it work like a real HT. I would also guess there is a high likelihood of the LWS torch violating HT patents.Tiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:I said a lot of the same benefits as the Powermax45: 1. shielded torch technology, 2. Conical flow technology, 3. high load voltage (125 volts). 4. Low air flow (4.5 cfm@90 psi), 5. 3 year warranty on power supply, 1 year on torch. Comes with Hypertherm after sale support...and the ability to talk directly with the factory...not an importer.I was looking...the torch that is included with the Razorcut as advertised is a copy of a Trafimet style torch. There never was a torch from Hypertherm that had any consumables like those....so if the dealer says the torch uses Hypertherm parts it would be interesting to know more! The torch that is used on some of the Eastwood brand import plasma's is a copy of a 30 year old Hypertherm unshielded, high frequency start torch. I have not seen newer copies....mostly due to multiple patents on the torch and consumables. Do you have any pictures? Jim Colt Hypertherm
Originally Posted by Jeffronismo
Thanks Jim! What are those same specs for the 30xp?
Reply:Just my two cents-there are no doubt plenty of valid other views. But, while $1000 price difference is enticing, this thread is reminding me of my 1/2" drill experiences of years gone by. Back when I was 20-something and "could not afford" a quality drill, I bought 3 drills over a period of 15 years for around $50 each as I wore them out. At 35 or so, getting frustrated at replacing drills, I bought a Milwaukee heavy duty 1/2" drill for about $100 (on sale). I'm almost 68 now. That drill has had far harder use than the previous 3 and keeps on tickin'! While there are certainly variables, seems I had the opportunity to get a quality long-lasting drill for $100, long ago, or $250 the way I did it. Feels like I made some less than stellar decisions in the long term. A couple of years ago I faced the dilemma of which plasma cutter to buy. Suffice it to say the purchase price hurt a bit but there is now a Hypertherm 45 in my shop. Way bigger numbers than the drills, and I figured I couldn't afford the cheap one. Cheap often does not equal inexpensive. Agree with the previous post-unless there is some overriding reason to buy now, use some other cutting method while you save your pennies. One man's opinion.
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Originally Posted by Aeronca
Just my two cents-there are no doubt plenty of valid other views. But, while $1000 price difference is enticing, this thread is reminding me of my 1/2" drill experiences of years gone by. Back when I was 20-something and "could not afford" a quality drill, I bought 3 drills over a period of 15 years for around $50 each as I wore them out. At 35 or so, getting frustrated at replacing drills, I bought a Milwaukee heavy duty 1/2" drill for about $100 (on sale). I'm almost 68 now. That drill has had far harder use than the previous 3 and keeps on tickin'! While there are certainly variables, seems I had the opportunity to get a quality long-lasting drill for $100, long ago, or $250 the way I did it. Feels like I made some less than stellar decisions in the long term. A couple of years ago I faced the dilemma of which plasma cutter to buy. Suffice it to say the purchase price hurt a bit but there is now a Hypertherm 45 in my shop. Way bigger numbers than the drills, and I figured I couldn't afford the cheap one. Cheap often does not equal inexpensive. Agree with the previous post-unless there is some overriding reason to buy now, use some other cutting method while you save your pennies. One man's opinion.
Reply:I am going to say it one more time. The S-45 is a nice little torch. There are great deals on original Trafimet consumables. It will be cheap to run, and make excellent cuts.. It does not need Hypertherm consumables, because it uses it's own design. (Made by Trafimet ) Works really well.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
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Originally Posted by KMA
I think most of us get the idea of buying quality whenever possible, but if I can borrow your drill anecdote... what if you really only had $50 to spend but still needed a drill? Or if you were only going to use the drill a few times a year at most? Would that change things? This same logic is used for hobbyists looking to pick up a welder for small projects and repairs. It doesn't always make sense to buy red/blue, especially if your livelihood doesn't depend on it. Another common recommendation is to buy a top brand used, but not everyone lives in a populated enough area for good/low risk deals to pop up on Craigslist list all that often. When they do show up around me, the sellers seem to want more than they are worth and end up re-listing them over and over.I'm not trying to argue against this advice, just saying its not always that straightforward.
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Originally Posted by soutthpaw
If I needed cheap, I'd probably follow George's advice and buy the HF plasma with extended warranty.
Reply:Yes I did.I think I have bought 7 different plasma cutters this year so far.Can't see how they work or how they are made without having them here on the bench to test.Some I keep for parts and test units others I sell after I have gottin all the pictures and did the testing.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Originally Posted by mechanic416
Yes I did.I think I have bought 7 different plasma cutters this year so far.Can't see how they work or how they are made without having them here on the bench to test.Some I keep for parts and test units others I sell after I have gottin all the pictures and did the testing.
Reply:Won't know till it gets here just bought it yesterday and its on back order.www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
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Originally Posted by mechanic416
Yes I did.I think I have bought 7 different plasma cutters this year so far.Can't see how they work or how they are made without having them here on the bench to test.Some I keep for parts and test units others I sell after I have gottin all the pictures and did the testing.
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Here is that torch option I have been talking about (so nobody thinks I'm crazy). This is a picture of the page out of the razorweld product catalog. The hypertherm parts are highlighted in green and I was told the only non hypertherm part is the retaining cap highlighted in pink. Hopefully my picture uploads. I'm using my phone.
Reply:Well considering what I've been told by a certain Italian manufacturer of torches is that HT is being licensed to produce certain parts under a certain Italian company design patent or manufactures for HT someway a part. They weren't exactly clear but when I mentioned HT patents, they groaned and went on to mention this "arrangement" in a non specific manner. So, maybe things aren't as cut and dried as they may seem for HT...and one hand washes the other and Razorweld is in the clear legally if it is an Italian built torch?Last edited by lugweld; 04-10-2016 at 06:53 PM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Now this is really getting interesting Hypertherm and Jasic working together
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I was looking for the popcorn smiley but settled on the dizzy.ESAB Rebels 215 and 235, ESAB HELIARC 281i, ESAB ET 301i, Hypertherm 85 and 45XP, Thermal Arc 185, TD 60i, HTP PRO PULSE 300
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Originally Posted by mechanic416
Now this is really getting interesting Hypertherm and Jasic working together
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Originally Posted by Jawslandshark
I was looking for the popcorn smiley but settled on the dizzy.
Reply:Only surefire upgrade for your 875 is the one torch.. Good one at that..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
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Originally Posted by Brand X
Only surefire upgrade for your 875 is the one torch.. Good one at that..
Reply:Old tech extended consumables were good for seeing what you are cutting....but with that Powermax65/85 you can screw on these HyAccess parts and get that vision along with shielded drag cutting technology. No double arcing, longer life for those tough cutting jobs. This is new technology that users asked for...along with gouging, fine cut.....and there will be more! Jim Colt Hypertherm
Reply:There is no "agreement". There are solid technology patents. If a company chooses to make a non patented torch and put genuine Hypertherm consumables in it....then I don't believe there is any stopping of that! Do you think their power supply has the correct ramp up pilot current, ramp up air flow and ramp down profiles?Jim Colt Hypertherm
Originally Posted by lugweld
Well considering what I've been told by a certain Italian manufacturer of torches is that HT is being licensed to produce certain parts under a certain Italian company design patent or manufactures for HT someway a part. They weren't exactly clear but when I mentioned HT patents, they groaned and went on to mention this "arrangement" in a non specific manner. So, maybe things aren't as cut and dried as they may seem for HT...and one hand washes the other and Razorweld is in the clear legally if it is an Italian built torch?
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Originally Posted by jimcolt
Old tech extended consumables were good for seeing what you are cutting....but with that Powermax65/85 you can screw on these HyAccess parts and get that vision along with shielded drag cutting technology. No double arcing, longer life for those tough cutting jobs. This is new technology that users asked for...along with gouging, fine cut.....and there will be more! Jim Colt Hypertherm
Reply:Still can't control the new torch like the old torch. I can write with it,because of the style.. It's not that I am not aware of the new tech offers, but sometimes the excellent features of the old style stuff goes completely unnoticed/discounted. Like the new stuff is so much better, so don't even bother. Just not the case at all..You can still get the PT-31 head into places the other would only dream about. Cut quality is excellent, not that I don't have all three setups to know the difference either. If I had one hand torch for up to 3/8. I would use the old style just about every time.. I look at the nozzles, and electrodes, and see they are clean and round.. Great system, and old as the hills.The Hypertherm long electrodes/nozzles/etc are a nice option to have, and a advancement for sure. I did not say the new stuff does not have advantages too. I like things like long life electrodes, because you can really tell they are worth the money to use.. Much better life over standard ones.. The machines are reliable, and quiet to use.. Still using a 17 year old 35 amp system compared to the new ones is quite impressive in it's own right.. I like it very well..Last edited by Brand X; 04-11-2016 at 09:24 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Oh yeah....and if you don't like the "feel" of the torch....there are a few choices included with the new technology. These fit the Powermax65 through the 125.
Reply:None of then do what I want in the fine manipulation of the torch.. That goes for newer Esab, and Thermal dynamics stuff. Although I have a SL-40 that will mate up with my new Cutmaster 52.. Another good versatile system. (for me.) The 15° hand torch will be something I will pick up for the 65..They are pretty cheap on ebay, and worth owning. Short machine torch has zero value for my system,so keeping the long still.. Have a lot of gantry height, and want the option of adjustment on the long torch setup. So one set of Long electrodes/nozzles, and the 15 ° torch is about it, unless a deal shows up on a 2 ft long 45.. (Not holding my breath there.)Last edited by Brand X; 04-11-2016 at 09:46 AM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Just showing that modern tech brings us a whole new range of possibilities. I totally agree that if you need a more compact torch, then that is what you need. There are modern, compact torches as well.....we have the Powermax30XP and 30Air. Still, if you like the PT31....then that is the best torch for you. Jim Colt Hypertherm
Reply:Now if a 30XP torch could mate up to a 65 as a option, then you would be getting somewhere I would want to go..
I don't really mind having a few machines, so I am kind of excited to add another cutmaster to the loop.. I know them very well,because I understand how to get them to do what I want. Going to wire in Candcnc board (have one) to the 52, so I don't have to run/buy a cnc interface. It's all there on the pins.. full arc voltage, OK to move, Torch contactor. Card will allow me to use it's 7-1 voltage setting on the thc system. Adjustable to 50-1 etc.. These three machines allow me really good options on finding cheap consumables (USA made) for bargain prices.. The American Torch tip guys build excellent PT-31 XT consumables.. Ebay is awesome for Victor stuff, and retail on all Hypertherm stuff. All works great in their own way.. (Always my point in any of this)
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Reply:I talked to dan at razorweld and he confirmed the hyperthem style consumable. I am asking for model part number so I can order the machine with that specific torch. His answer------ Quote Originally Posted by Dan@RazorweldWe have two versions of torches.One uses a Trafimet style correct. the Second uses a HYP max45 style consumable.There is a cost difference between them and if you are planning heavier usage( thicker materials and longer cuts) I would advise using the HYP style torch
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Originally Posted by jimcolt
Old tech extended consumables were good for seeing what you are cutting....but with that Powermax65/85 you can screw on these HyAccess parts and get that vision along with shielded drag cutting technology. No double arcing, longer life for those tough cutting jobs. This is new technology that users asked for...along with gouging, fine cut.....and there will be more! Jim Colt Hypertherm
Reply:Our IP team is watching closely, there are a number of patents involved. It will be interesting to see a comparison of performance. The Hypertherm shielded torch requires higher arc voltage (longer arc), and the Razerweld 45 has a 96 volt load voltage rating at its 30% duty cycle as compared to the system that these consumables were designed for (Powermax45 with 132 volts at 50%). This will show real short duty cycles on materials thicker than about 3/16"... Where the voltage will be above 96 volts. Might be testing the warranty policy! Jim
Originally Posted by QCTechInsp
I talked to dan at razorweld and he confirmed the hyperthem style consumable. I am asking for model part number so I can order the machine with that specific torch. His answer------ Quote Originally Posted by Dan@RazorweldWe have two versions of torches.One uses a Trafimet style correct. the Second uses a HYP max45 style consumable.There is a cost difference between them and if you are planning heavier usage( thicker materials and longer cuts) I would advise using the HYP style torch
Reply:$609.85 seems like a good deal for entry level plasma with good torch options.ESAB Rebels 215 and 235, ESAB HELIARC 281i, ESAB ET 301i, Hypertherm 85 and 45XP, Thermal Arc 185, TD 60i, HTP PRO PULSE 300
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Originally Posted by jimcolt
Our IP team is watching closely, there are a number of patents involved. It will be interesting to see a comparison of performance. The Hypertherm shielded torch requires higher arc voltage (longer arc), and the Razerweld 45 has a 96 volt load voltage rating at its 30% duty cycle as compared to the system that these consumables were designed for (Powermax45 with 132 volts at 50%). This will show real short duty cycles on materials thicker than about 3/16"... Where the voltage will be above 96 volts. Might be testing the warranty policy! Jim
Reply:We are very familiar with virtually every copy of Hypertherm torches....and there are a number of them coming from Asia now. Some have chosen to copy patented parts, others suggest buying parts from Hypertherm. We review each one...and take action to protect our IP (intellectual property). Designing good plasma torches takes time and high level engineering. Developing plasma systems with good performance requires that the torch and consumables are developed to work together. It is not just a torch or consumables that determine best cut quality.There are a few dozen brands of plasma cutters that make only the power supply....then they shop for torches (usually the cheapest) but in some cases look at more expensive Trafimet or copies of Hypertherm torches. Wire these torches up to a generic inverter power supply...and cut metal! Will it have the level of testing, the level of engineering that produces cut quality and consumable life simultaneously (that Hypertherm systems do?). Not even a slim chance.Inventing technology, developing the technology and supporting the technology takes time and costs money, defending our patents on that technology costs even more. Copying technology does not. This is why companies like Hypertherm spend a lot of money chasing down the aftermarket copiers. There was a recent huge case in China.....the company is shut down and its owner manager is behind bars. Another in Russia with similar outcome. We have to do this in order to maintain our sales...which supports our technology development. If we didn't.....plasma cutting would be at the same level it was 25 to 30 years ago......with about 120 starts per set of consumables, no drag cutting, power supplies that weighed 400 lbs, high frequency starting. Best regards, Jim Colt
Originally Posted by QCTechInsp
Bear in mind that he said Hyp style, not copy. You said yourself that anyone can make a torch that can use another consumable . I dont even know or asked if it can use the same consumable as Hypertherm, just was told what I posted. I dont think that a company that have been selling this Jasic in UK for years now, will engage in a patent conflict knowingly. I am going to leave this subject here because is leading to non necessary conflict. My only interest was to confirm what they op said and to get options to others who need a low cost entry machine that obviously Hypertherm or Victor wont ever be able to produce. Not meant to start a patent or specs war here. I think everybody at this point have said clearly that they would have a Hyp if they could afford or justify right now. Since it have been stated with no doubt that the Hyp is the best machine, and that people looking at this price scale are not looking to buy a more expensive machine, I dont see the dead horse beating necessary. If I get any more info I will PM the people I already saw interested. Have a good day gentlemen. |
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发表于 2021-9-1 23:19:25