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Never ran dual shield. Its a uphill test and thats about all I know. For a company welding bridges and I got a 9:00 am test tomorrow that I need to ace! Seen Jody on welding tips and tricks run 23 volts and 260 wire with .045 but will those settings be close for .052? He was welding 1/4 in the video. And kept the torch straight on at the metal. Not aimed up at all, is that normal? Or little aimed up ok? I never really ran uphill on mig so Im little worried. Machine was always to hot to do so typically
Reply:Are there any other qualifications required for the job? If you've never run Dual-Shield especially vertical up, I think could be quite a challenge to pass a test on the first try. Good luck.
Reply:motolife313
Originally Posted by motolife313
Never ran dual shield . . . Its a uphill test and thats about all I know . . . I never really ran uphill on mig so Im little worried . . .
Reply:Ignore OPUS FERRO, sorry mate but you are being a C*&% to OP here, what the hell does being able to run 6010 open root have to do with running duel shield? seriously go back in the deep hole you came from mate, I don't want to speak for everyone on this forum but I hope I do, this is a place to learn and ask for advice, not cut people down with this elitist crap. I think at this point I have a pretty good reputation around this forum for the welding that I've shown here but let me tell you something, the first time I took a stick pipe test (TIG root, 7018 fill and cap) and stainless (304 pipe with 316L wire) I'd never done it before, I'd welded a bit of stick in a maintenance role but I'd never done a stick pipe weld and I'd only welded stainless with TGX flux core filler in power station boilers so I'd never set up a purge, I got a call to go do a weld test for a big liquid natural gas production plant, they paid my flights and accommodation halfway halfway across the country to go for the test, not the job and I somehow managed to bubble my way through the test and get the job. within a month of that job I was putting out this on the stick side.
and this on the stainless TIG
The next job was another gas plant using duel shield, I'd never done that before either, again bubbled my way through the test and within a few weeks was producing this.
And this on the stainless duel shield
Now i've never run .052 duel shield so I can't give you any settings, but ASK THE INSPECTOR, that's what I did, I told the bloke doing the testing I didn't have much experience, and he gave me a starting point for voltage and wire feed speed, but to be sure look up a few .052 wires and see what the wire manufactures recommend and start there, duel shield is VERY forgiving even if the settings arnt perfect.
Reply:This entire conversation has been done before. It's deja vu all over again.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:It does matter what advice you give Moto...He will walk in there and ignore everything.Miller 211Hypertherm PM 451961 Lincoln Idealarc 250HTP 221 True Wisdom only comes from Pain.
Reply:ask for practice pieces first to set up the welder setting for your style of welding. don't hurt to ask?lincoln 125spmonkey wards 250 ac/dcmiller 211 w/spool gunahp 200 sx tiglotos ltp5000dof course duramax diesel
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Originally Posted by Louie1961
This entire conversation has been done before. It's deja vu all over again.
Reply:Ok thank you ttoks! I would probably need to find a door chart on a welder on the web to find the settings for .052. Not totally sure thickness. Probably 3/8
Reply:Doubt there will be a door chart. It's probably an industrial welder with a separate wire feeder. I've ran .045" and it's similar to 7018 but you have to move faster and don't really need to pause at the edges. The person giving the test can likely help you get set up but you still should ask for a practice piece to help set the machine where you like it. I did a test with Metal-Core once and the guy was trying to help me but suggested too hot of setting. It was a multi-pass weld in flat position. First pass went great and then for some reason I kept getting porosity. He tried too and couldn't understand it so let me practice for quite awhile. I finally gave up. Looking into after the fact is where I think running too hot was the problem. Just one of those times when nothing seemed to go right. I was wondering if you needed to be a journeyman welder or any other similar qualifications in addition to the weld test.Last edited by Welder Dave; 08-28-2020 at 12:16 PM.
Reply:Best to look wire spec to get an idea. The one really big difference is CTWD contact to work distance. It is about 3/4" to 1" for it to work properly. Its really hard at first to get used to that if you have always done short circuit mig.https://www.lincolnelectric.com/asse...d71M/c3101.pdfhttps://www.hobartbrothers.com/uploa...lement_71M.pdfI don't think there will be a door chart with dual shield info. Voltage should be close to the same as .045, wire speed should be slower. Ask questions if you can, and listen to what they tell you. Some people are friendly, and will help if you ask. Others are not so friendly, and won't help you. In the end you will have gained something from the experience, whether you pass the test or not. Best of luck, hope something good comes of it.Airco 250 ac/dc Heliwelder Square waveMiller Synchrowave 180 sdMiller Econo Twin HFLincoln 210 MPDayton 225 ac/dcVictor torchesSnap-On YA-212Lotos Cut60D
Reply:He said he set up the welder and I should have asked to have him set it up for uphill but figured I could get paid more if I set it up myself. Flat welds were set up from him at 29 and 370 wire or so. I set it up for 25 and 270 or so. Played with that a little. Single and triple passes. First time running dual shield and first time going uphill with mig. I liked it a lot and could see myself doing this welding
Reply:Any weld test I did there was always a procedure. Although they can be pretty vague.....it will give you a starting point. Read the procedure, dial in the machine with a couple practice beads.....do the test.....pray to the welding gods....Good luckInterprovincial RedSeal Welder and SteamfitterMiller Maxstar STL 110vMiller Blue Star DX 185Lincoln 180
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Originally Posted by motolife313
but figured I could get paid more if I set it up myself
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Originally Posted by John T
Reply:I hold an all position flux core CWB ticket. It covers duel shield, self shielded and metal core wires. The test is done with .045 duel shield wire.Duel shield wire welds vertical up nicer than anything else out there. Its so easy to run, just get the settings in the zone.Some dual shield wires run very nice on 100% co2 and other duel shield wires prefer 75/25 gas. Your shielding gas type used will influence voltage and wire feed settings.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Looks like a little bit of worm tracks and spatter but overall pretty good. Bigger question is... Did you get the job? They probably have a set pay rate. You don't get extra for setting the machine. Part of the job is knowing how to set the machine. Good shops more experienced guys will usually help out the newbies.
Reply:Yes that was my first time running uphill and really didn’t want the weld to fall out. New it looked a bit small putting it in. Could have it looking really strong if I had a day practice but they probably didn’t wanna train me. I actually wanna call them back and ask them to do that. Maybe work a day for free learning at there place. Didn’t get the job. I was also thinking I will practice 6g tig at my parents on my tig welder and start doing that for a living possibly and make some really good money. Only problem I always had was getting the root to be exposed in the pipe on the inside of it. Never have anyone there to show me tho. I wanna try again. Just need to get 2” pipe and go to my friends machine shop and bevel them on the lathe. Thanks for the nice words btw
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Originally Posted by duramax-rob
ask for practice pieces first to set up the welder setting for your style of welding. don't hurt to ask?
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Originally Posted by motolife313
The mig advice I was looking for last time was about a welder with inaccurate volts and wire speed. That’s why the last thread didn’t work well. That welder is fully broken now and we are using a different machine. Don’t work there any more anyways. They didn’t wanna pay for skill so I’m looking for a place that does. Have a good day
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Originally Posted by motolife313
Yes that was my first time running uphill and really didnt want the weld to fall out. New it looked a bit small putting it in. Could have it looking really strong if I had a day practice but they probably didnt wanna train me. I actually wanna call them back and ask them to do that. Maybe work a day for free learning at there place. Didnt get the job. I was also thinking I will practice 6g tig at my parents on my tig welder and start doing that for a living possibly and make some really good money. Only problem I always had was getting the root to be exposed in the pipe on the inside of it. Never have anyone there to show me tho. I wanna try again. Just need to get 2 pipe and go to my friends machine shop and bevel them on the lathe. Thanks for the nice words btw
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Originally Posted by docwelder
the last d1.1 i took there were scrap pieces already in the booth but i always carried some just to fine tune the machine and warm up my welding arm.
Reply:Yeah but I have 7 MIG welders in the shop and they all set a little different on the flux core.. 3 Airco 300 amp, 450 amp Miller, 500 amp Miller, 300 amp Pow Con and 300 amp Thermal Dynamics.
Reply:Sorry it didn't work out Moto but keep trying!Lincoln 350MPMillermatic 350PSyncrowave 2501969 SA200HTP Invertig 221
Reply:Was the non-invitation for employment solely based on the weld? Perhaps, he was encouraging you to ask for help as needed. That might have been an important part of test. Don't think you can go wrong asking question. Good luck
Originally Posted by John T
It does matter what advice you give Moto...He will walk in there and ignore everything.
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Originally Posted by ttoks
and that is the type of elitist crap I can't stand.
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Originally Posted by ttoks
and that is the type of elitist crap I can't stand, so it comes easily to you, the bloke is asking questions to try and better himself even if he might not get it straight away, and going from the pics he posted he didn't do to bad for the first time running it, and he seems to have a pretty good attitude to not get his back up with A holes as well.to put it bluntly, If I were on the job with the two of you and Moto and the three of you needed help with something, Moto would have it without question even if it meant some work on my end to get him up to speed, the two of you would be told to go pound sand and figure it out for yourself.
Reply:If you were testing for me and you didn't either look around and find some scrap on your own or ask me for something and you busted that's on you. My world is make or break weld test everywhere and I always find something to check my heat and rig. Btw dual shield is very forgiving. Here's a pic of my first 6g tig root/hot .045 dual shield out.
Reply:It sucks you didnt get the job. Kudos to you for trying.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:In hindsight theres a ton of stuff I shoulda done or done different in my life. moto will nail it next time or the time after....:
Reply:Finally got a few pics uploaded. Dual shield is pretty forgiving as already mentioned. I always set my volts and adjust the wire accordingly. This was a tig root and hot pass dual shield from there.
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Reply:Couple pics of the tig root/hot pass.
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Reply:Going back today to test. Been running about 100 of dual shield lately a day and hope I can pass this test this time. Still havent ran much uphill but thats ok. Ill probably just turn down the heat a touch on the uphill or just the wire. Havent been taking pics lately because my phone is so full. My boss has complimented me a time or 2 over the last couple weeks which is a rare thing to do for him. Tested last week on 1/16 dual shield wire and like said in this thread by a member the wire was much slower. 180 I think. I was running 300 on .045 wire. I think there running 1/16 wire here also. Going to practice on some test pieces first. When running the welders at my last place I had to leave a week ago I ran the welders the same setting in all positions. We welded over head 76% of the time and I never adjusted the machine. learned to keep a tight arc doing overhead and once getting used to it, it was about the same as doing a flat welding in the 1f position. Only ran downhill tho and not up. Even if I ugly the uphill up a touch on the test Im hoping they will work with me and train me, then I can pick it up fast if they do so. Waiting for a tig Aluminum welding place to call me back today also. Today Was the last day there taking interviews. This place doing the core wire is right on the river doing big jobs and is not production work. Welding 3/4 metal here on the test so any setting on 1/16 wire running uphill would be appreciated. Ill start on there setting then try the 1/16 wire settings at a place I tested last week and passed. They were running 180 wire and 28 volts. Wire seemed low tho. If I remember right when I took this test a while ago they were running 256 wire and 25 volts maybe. Going in at 10 and going to have breakfast in my leather welding jacket. Thats my new superstition since it got me the job last time
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some work over the last couple months
Last edited by motolife313; 05-20-2021 at 11:26 AM.
Reply:Don't plan on lathe beveled pipe on a jobsite, I've only known 1 fitter that whined for machined bevels & I finally shut him down, he ALWAYS seemed to show up when all the lathes were tied up and expect us to tear down while on a job so we could bevel his freakin pipe. The last time he did I explained what a pain in the A$$ it was. EVRERY OTHER FITTER I'VE SEEN OR WORKED WITH USED HAND GROUND BEVELS, & I've done plenty of grinding bevels by hand when I was a fitter helper.IMPEACH BIDEN!NRA LIFE MEMBERUNITWELD 175 AMP 3 IN1 DCMIDSTATES 300 AMP AC MACHINEGOD HELP AMERICA!Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.We didnt pass it to our children in the bloodstream".RONALD REAGAN
Reply:I used dual shield (E71T-1 w/CO2 0.52") wire for almost 30 years. It is great wire easy to use. It does need stick out from contact tip to work right (see chart below.. ).Wish the bestDave
Originally Posted by motolife313
Never ran dual shield. It’s a uphill test and that’s about all I know. For a company welding bridges and I got a 9:00 am test tomorrow that I need to ace! Seen Jody on welding tips and tricks run 23 volts and 260 wire with .045 but will those settings be close for .052? He was welding 1/4 in the video. And kept the torch straight on at the metal. Not aimed up at all, is that normal? Or little aimed up ok? I never really ran uphill on mig so I’m little worried. Machine was always to hot to do so typically
Reply:I may have been running little too much wire for the uphill root. Did have a read out in ipm. It was a miller wire feeder with 0-750 read out. I think it was a touch over the 2 mark. I was running about 25-26 volts on 1/2” plate. Didn’t Pass the uphill again but the horizontal welds looked really good. I was pretty much using the same settings for uphill. The bead had to be small or it wanted to fall. Probably shoulda tried lowering the volts and wire more so I could dwell a little longer going uphill. Maybe he will call me lol
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Originally Posted by motolife313
some work over the last couple months
Reply:How did test come out.Dave
Originally Posted by motolife313
Never ran dual shield. Its a uphill test and thats about all I know. For a company welding bridges and I got a 9:00 am test tomorrow that I need to ace! Seen Jody on welding tips and tricks run 23 volts and 260 wire with .045 but will those settings be close for .052? He was welding 1/4 in the video. And kept the torch straight on at the metal. Not aimed up at all, is that normal? Or little aimed up ok? I never really ran uphill on mig so Im little worried. Machine was always to hot to do so typically
Reply:it was all good but the uphill part. I’ve only ran uphill like 3 times on mig. The first time trying to get this job about 6 months ago and at another weld test the other day practing, the test was 3g horizontal and I passed the test but hours didn’t work. And doing this test again today so not much mig uphill practice, I did some stick uphill and noticed the root pass was little tricky going uphill, got a stick welder at home I like to play with. So still looking. I do other side work for now and will start doing some metal art in the next couple days for fun and going to be out looking still
Reply:Are you still working building dump boxes? That looks like a good job working with new material.
Reply:Did you quit another job Moto?Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Im not working there for now. I got too much going on right now. I think they will rehire me soon
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Originally Posted by motolife313
I’m not working there for now. I got too much going on right now.
Reply:I would look for next job.There is a shortage of good welders today .Dave
Originally Posted by motolife313
Im not working there for now. I got too much going on right now. I think they will rehire me soon
Reply:[QUOTE=smithdoor;8814459]I would look for next job.There is a shortage of good welders today there's a shortage of workers in all vocational jobs. Lil twirps are afraid of getting their wittle hands dirty.
Reply:bad gateway fixLincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:Did you quit or get laid off? That looked like a darn good place to work and they were helping you out. Don't sacrifice a good job because you have other stuff going on. Nobody on here went right to the top and had the best jobs early in their careers. Some 1st year apprentices spend most of their time grinding. You had an actual welding job. Don't dismiss that. If you quit they might be worried you'd quit again and hire someone else. If you were disagreeing with them or figured you disserved a raise or something, GET OVER IT. You can burn decent flux-core but aren't in the same league as say Ttoks on here.
Reply:Just looking for up hill settings on here. Ill keep practicing with stick |
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