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Hi,I'm a welding novice....very, very novice and am researching which MIG welder makes sense to purchase. I'm looking at the MIGWELD 200S and the Millermatic 211. Can someone school me on how the 200S can achieve a 60% duty @ 200A/24V versus the 211's 30% duty @ 150A/23.5V? It even makes less sense when I look at the weight of the two units...200S @ 37lbs and the 211 @ 74lbs. Usually I equate weight with more heavy duty components. Am I missing something? I sure would like the 200S to be the real deal, especially since it's half the price of the 211.OK...I'm ready for class.Last edited by Imtrublue; 01-09-2013 at 12:01 AM.Reason: Sic
Reply:the miller 211 is dual voltage The 200s is not dual voltage its a 220v only machine most likely the reason for the higher duty cycleMiller Xmt 350Lincoln Ln-25Ahp 200xSmith Gas Mixer AR/HTig is my Kung FuThrowing down dimes and weaving aboutInstagram http://instagram.com/[email protected]
Reply:The duty cycle on the model is 60% vs the smaller duty cycle on the miller. Here are some videos of the unit in action fixing a bumper by Lanse - who is a frequent poster on here. He likes it overall and says it welds great, but you can also see his Good, Bad, Ugly video as well.LONGEVITYPhone: 877-566-4462
Reply:It's inverter based, verses the 211 which I believe to be a transformer machine.Inverters use less input to produce more current, and generally have much higher duty cycles and more arc adjustability than older transformer based machines...The good:1) Welds well.2) Very adjustable.3) Doubles as a stick welder, with a very nice SMAW arc...4) $600 new.5) Reliable machine...The bad:1) Does not include regulator...2) Poorly-written manuel (not the end of the world tho, its a pretty simple machine to use and understand)3) Requires metric-contact tips, which are a little harder to find than standard ones, atleast here in North America. For $600 its not a bad machine...[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Thanks Lanse. So far the best explanation as to the weight difference, but what gives the 200S such a better duty cycle?Noticed on your "good,bad and ugly" review that you were slightly dissing the build quality, although you had positive things to say about the welding results. It appeared that there was no chart on the inside of the cover. Is that the case? Is the wire drive plastic? Are the wire wheels plastic?Would you still recommend the 42i or is there another Longevity plasma cutter you'd recommend over the 42i?BTW, do enjoy your vids. Keep up the good work.P.S. You need to get Eastwood to let you review their welders/plasma cutters.Trublue
Reply:Yeah, some things build wise leave a little to be desired. But still, its a $600 machine that performs exactly as advertized, so it might have a few little issues.1) The side door does not have a chart of any kind. Nor does it want to latch when you close it... I actually ended up just removing the door and it even looks cooler now
2) The wire drive housing is plastic, but the wheels are steel. Same setup as my Hobart has. One thing I will say, is that the tension was too loose when I first got the machine, and it wouldnt feed right. But we cranked it down some and havent had any issues with it since...3) Yes, the 42i still seems like an awesome machine, especially for $800. It feels very solid and reliable, although the torch could be a little heavier duty. If you get one, I highly recommend spending a few bucks on one of those leather sheaths for the torch line, to protect it. I still use my 42i all the time, and it works great
Thanks man!!
[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
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Originally Posted by Lanse
Yeah, some things build wise leave a little to be desired. But still, its a $600 machine that performs exactly as advertized, so it might have a few little issues.
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Originally Posted by geezerbill
I wonder if you could comment on the duty cycle.I have a Northern Tool 3 in 1, which has a 30% duty cycle at 160, which I have found to be pretty accurate.I would run into the limit after about 4 minutes of solid welding on a 3/16 fillet, at an estimated 130 - 140 amps, and .035 flux core.What has been your experience with the Longevity with regard to this?Thanks
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Originally Posted by Lanse
It's inverter based, verses the 211 which I believe to be a transformer machine.Inverters use less input to produce more current, and generally have much higher duty cycles and more arc adjustability than older transformer based machines...
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Originally Posted by tkevan
Lanse,The equivalent inverter machines from Miller, Lincoln, and TA don't come close to 60%. The 200 from Miller (yeah, its a Multiprocess) is only 35% at it's best, 120v 100a, Lincoln's 210MP (another multiprocess), is in the same range, and the TA 211I fairs even lower at 20%. I'd be interested in you actually running the 200S to it's limit to see if it's actually the 60%.
Reply:Gamble,Yeah it's old, but still valid. Kinda my point that they aren't created equal. If Longevity is intentionally misleading by using a "cold room" for their testing, we should get a real world test in a normal environment. NO ONE gets those numbers on their units this size. If Miller could get it on their Multimatic, don't you think they would?
Reply:Exactly!Just looking for accurate information.I am looking to buy another mig machine, but if possible, would like to have one with a greater duty cycle than that of my Northern Industrial 200 multi process machine. (30% at 160 amps)I have been jonesing for The Mig 250S at Northern Tool($899), with 60% at 177Amps, and really, really like the drive system on it.The drawback to it machine is a transformer based machine, and presumably not as efficient as an inverter machine.The Longevity MIG 200s is an inverter, and allegedly, would therefore be more efficient.Somebody said in another thread, If it is really possible to get 60% at 200 amps at this price point, don't you think Miller or Lincoln would do it?I think very likely not.It is a bit like asking, in 80's, "If it is really possible to build a car that gets 30 miles per gallon, and lasts 200,000 miles, don't you think Chevy or Ford would do it?"NO! Sure they could have, but they didn't until they were forced to, when the public started ignoring them because they had become irrelevant.Same with the big 3. They have money tied up in their manufacturing processes, so they will not drop them immediately.If the duty cycle claims of the newer mfgs are true, Lincoln could also start building them (or overseeing their production) immediately.But, think of what it would do to the sale of their machines like the Power MIG 216 (@ $2,400).Sales charts would look like they fell off a cliff.If the duty cycle claims of the new manufacturers are true, the machines deserve a second look.If not, I owe Lincoln and Miller an apology, and will have wasted a few hundred dollars....but I would really like some accurate data first
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