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The machine I preordered a couple months ago showed up last week. I put it in its new home and tried it out with some .035 solid wire and 75/25 as well as 90/10.
It seems to work well, but the pulse modes seem to do better with the 90/10. I didnt realize that those modes would be a pulsed spray transfer like they are. The arc sure makes a funny sound. Anyway, I need to order a set of drive rolls for dual shield wire. I cant seem to find much info about pulse on pulse mig welding, but it seems to makes vertical down spray transfer pretty easy. Does anyone know if you can pulse weld running dual shield wire? It seems like it might be a good way to get a really hot, deep weld. I am looking forward to playing with it more.
Reply:Yes, you need 90/10 to spray. 75/25 won't work quite well at the pulse spray mark. Never thought about dual shield pulse. I am sure it is possible, but the machine isn't programmed for that specifically.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Oh, man,I dig seein' that TIG-like schematic with a single, double-pulsed Everlast MIG unit.Those babies are finally here. Congratulations!ZTFab cart too, nice!If I were to have use for a MIG unit, this is the one I'd want. Before that, the 251Si seemed ideal, but I like that this one didn't include a multi (DC TIG) function, as that comes with needless extras and costs, as I already have an extremely advanced AC/DC TIG unit.So, these new babies have all of the latest MIG process abilities, without any superflous stuff for many customers. Smart move for Everlast, just smart!Last edited by C. Livingstone; 03-08-2018 at 11:15 AM.
Reply:3L, Have you tried welding any thin Aluminum with your 253 yet? Thank You in advance, Lorne
Reply:I havent tried any AL yet. I have a TIG machine that I use for thin AL. From what understand, MiG welding AL is a spray transfer process, so I dont dont think Ill ever try it with less than 1/4 AL.
Reply:This machine doesn’t have a weld settings chart at all, so I use the Miller calculator. The thinnest aluminum that calculator shows for Mig is 1/8”.
Reply:The requirements for auto body go well below what Miller charts say. That's the reason for pulse TIG.Edit: Oops! Did I say TIG? I mean Pulse MIG.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:How thin will it go? The HTP pro pulse says it can go down to .031". Should i expect similar?
Reply:Well, alright,Here's some of the very first video demonstration on the new Everlast double-pulse unit that I've noticed.It's a ChuckE2009 one, which gives a good overview, for mild steel. But apparently there's no included demo of it on aluminum, or if it performs well enough with a short whip dedicated for aluminum, like the HTP unit can do, rather than if it is only able to be used with a spoolgun?Otherwise, I dig the spec with its amperage, down to 10 amps for MIG, which is surprisingly low. And the 250 amp max is smokin' too.Rock On, Everlast!
Reply:I'm not sure how low the pulse frequency can be dialed down but it if it goes down to 2-3, You should get tig looking welds at mig speeds. Also on DP you will be able to do 1/16 aluminum. In DP it's not not high heat Spray.
Reply:Double pulse can be dialed down to .1 hz. Double pulse is in spray, but it is pulsed spray..and it goes a lot thinner than 1/16". .045" or thinner is not unreasonable. Auto body is much thinner than 1/16"Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:The extra tips and stuff I ordered came in this week, so I played with it for a couple hours today. It was a good thing I ordered extra diffusers, because of course I knocked the gun off the table and it hit the floor hard enough to bend the part the tip screws into and broke the gas diffuser. It was a quick fix and it was back to melting metal. Anyway, not being a good welder, I am struggling to get decent results with the pulse settings on mild steel using 90/10 on anything other than flat horizontal welds. When I try a lap or T joint, I get a lot of “slumping” and it undercuts the top piece and runs onto the lower piece. I think I need to turn down the amperage, but I’m having trouble finding good starting settings for pulse modes. This machine only lets me set the amps and voltage. The charts form Lincoln and Miller specify wire speed and not amperage, so I don’t know where to start and waste a lot of time trying to find a setting that I like.I also figured out that the straight mig setting wants 100% CO2, and for 75/25, I need to turn the voltage down about 2 volts. I do have a 20lb CO2 tank I will try ones of these days. Thanks for posting Chucky’s video. I did notice however, that his machine had 4 wire size settings including a .062 I think it was. Mine doesn’t. See the picture I posted above. I guess I need to order some AL wire to play with. For general farm type AL work and repairs, do I want 4043, or do I want 5356 to use with the 10’ gun this machine came with?
Reply:Yeah,I'm wondering if a 10' whip will push some 5356, as it would be nice to not need a spoolgun to MIG aluminum with this unit, like HTP's unit seems to do well enough.I mean, Everlast will probably recommend using a spoolgun for MIG aluminum. And I think I asked around on a forum or two, if anybody had tried to push aluminum wire on a 251Si, with just the typical MIG gun. But I got no responses on that question.So, yeah, please do give it a try, whith 5256, as it's a stiffer wire than 4043. And be aware, that if you've use that same whip for carbon steel, the liner may be a little contaminated. HTP ships a separate, optional, slightly shorter, and maybe it's one with a teflon liner for those who want to MIG aluminum without a spoolgun. Of course, you'll want 100% Argon for aluminum. The dual-drive on this Everlast unit will probably have as much success as the HTP, as I think HTP's wire drive is a single one. But the whip length and liner may be the key.Please do share back with us all on how that goes.Last edited by C. Livingstone; 03-24-2018 at 12:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by 3LFarms
I haven’t tried any AL yet. I have a TIG machine that I use for thin AL. From what understand, MiG welding AL is a spray transfer process, so I don’t don’t think I’ll ever try it with less than 1/4” AL.
Reply:Thanks Yofish. The machine does come with an extra liner, so I will swap it out prior to trying some AL.I have another question about this machine. What is the peak/arc force settings used for when using the double pulse mode? It has a range of 10-250, same as the amperage range, but it doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of difference when I set it low vs high with everything else staying the same. The manual that came with this machine is pretty bad. It basically tells you what the buttons do, but not what the settings do. I.e. there is no info given on how to actually select settings for any given mode. I suspect that is fine if you already know how to pulse weld, but for me, I’m kind of shooting in the dark..
Reply:That is the max amps of the pulse, not arc force in MIG mode. IN stick mode, it is the arc force.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
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Originally Posted by 3LFarms
Thanks Yofish. The machine does come with an extra liner, so I will swap it out prior to trying some AL.I have another question about this machine. What is the peak/arc force settings used for when using the double pulse mode? It has a range of 10-250, same as the amperage range, but it doesnt seem to make a whole lot of difference when I set it low vs high with everything else staying the same. The manual that came with this machine is pretty bad. It basically tells you what the buttons do, but not what the settings do. I.e. there is no info given on how to actually select settings for any given mode. I suspect that is fine if you already know how to pulse weld, but for me, Im kind of shooting in the dark..
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Originally Posted by Yofish
Farms, I don't have that exact machine so I'm little help there. I CAN tell you that if you're starting out with AL, using the supplied push-only gun is mostly a waste of effort unless you are using large wire and that being 5356. You will go nutz otherwise.EDIT I've been told the pontoon boat guys use 4043 but with real short whips. Wheel weldors, too.
Reply:Yeah,HTP carries MIG guns for a few Everlast units, and is known to do good, custom stuff at times. I mean, they seem to have developed the 8' whip with additional rollers for their ProPulse unit. I bet they'd be willing to do some short, custom ones for Everlast products too.Otherwise, the process to shorten one yourself seems a little tricky, but do-able, I'd think.
Reply:Ive had this welder for about a month and today I ran er4043 (for the first time) thru it using the supplied mig gun and Teflon liner with out issue. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Martin liberty
I’ve had this welder for about a month and today I ran er4043 (for the first time) thru it using the supplied mig gun and Teflon liner with out issue. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Smokin' dude!That is brilliant news, so to speak.
Originally Posted by Martin liberty
I’ve had this welder for about a month and today I ran er4043 (for the first time) thru it using the supplied mig gun and Teflon liner with out issue. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:This is the first time Ive welded aluminum. So theres still a lot I need to learn about it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...65adc06e0e.jpgI was welding 1/8 x 1 that I had kicking around. Pretty much every weld came out looking like that. But there where no feeding issues. I used 3/64 er4043 from a 16lb spool. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Shoot,Not bad at all for your first go at MIG aluminum.I haven't tried it myself yet, but it seems some do struggle with it.There doesn't seem to be any struggle in that pic though. Maybe a little hot at the end, due to it being such a small piece.No pulse, or double-pulse on that one?Smokin' dude!
Reply:Nice! Thanks for posting that.
Originally Posted by Martin liberty
This is the first time Ive welded aluminum. So theres still a lot I need to learn about it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...65adc06e0e.jpgI was welding 1/8 x 1 that I had kicking around. Pretty much every weld came out looking like that. But there where no feeding issues. I used 3/64 er4043 from a 16lb spool. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Gee,That's instructive feedback, Yofish, as your MIG work on aluminum boats is way-cool.So, do you think an 8' whip might do well, too?
Reply:I am thinking about ordering a 1lb roll of 4043 and a 1lb roll of 5356 and see which one I like. Anybody have a couple empty 8 spools they could send me to wind a pound of wire on for testing? LOL
Reply:Thanks Yofish. I dont want hijack this thread into a mig welding instructional but as far as inconsistent wire stick out and travel speed play into my weld looking the way it did? I ran a few more welds this afternoon and slowed down a bit and there seemed to be some improvement. I have it set on synergic single pulse 110 amps. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ac44661f82.jpgTheres still a long way for me to go before Im welding aluminum with any confidence. I got the spool gun when I got the 253. Ill be hooking that up next to see how that compares. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLast edited by Martin liberty; 03-27-2018 at 06:27 PM.
Reply:Good stuff!I look forward to knowing how the comparison between the MIG gun and the Spoolgun goes.You're not pulsing or double-pulse yet then, right?
Reply:It was on single pulse. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Yeah,I thought I saw some subtle ripple in there.Still a little hot?Maybe a smaller wire would help?But, it's been many years since I've MIG'd anything.Last edited by C. Livingstone; 03-27-2018 at 07:26 PM.
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Originally Posted by 3LFarms
I am thinking about ordering a 1lb roll of 4043 and a 1lb roll of 5356 and see which one I like. Anybody have a couple empty 8” spools they could send me to wind a pound of wire on for testing? LOL
Reply:I know this machine is capable of Tig looking welds with Mig speeds. Try to get there. Not yet what I'm seeing in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Martin liberty
Thanks Yofish. I don’t want hijack this thread into a mig welding instructional but as far as inconsistent wire stick out and travel speed play into my weld looking the way it did? I ran a few more welds this afternoon and slowed down a bit and there seemed to be some improvement. I have it set on synergic single pulse 110 amps. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ac44661f82.jpgThere’s still a long way for me to go before I’m welding aluminum with any confidence. I got the spool gun when I got the 253. I’ll be hooking that up next to see how that compares. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Rondo
I know this machine is capable of Tig looking welds with Mig speeds. Try to get there. Not yet what I'm seeing in this thread.
Reply:Yofish,Double pulse does create well defined ripples like TIG if it is set and operated properly.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Yeah,These new pulsed MIG units for aluminum are just plain cool, to me.
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Originally Posted by Rondo
If you go to the Weld-Kote website you can buy an inexpensive adaptor to run 1-2# spools on a large spindle..
Reply:Yeah,This new DP units seem to push .045, in 4043, but which may be too hot for 1/8" stuff.Maybe it'll push .035 in 5356 or 4043 too, for 1/8" stuff. Or maybe that'll be too challenging for a standard length MIG whip?It's a fun time, regardless, to me, to have these topics emerge.
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Originally Posted by lugweld
Yofish,Double pulse does create well defined ripples like TIG if it is set and operated properly.
Reply:Well,Feast your eyes, Yofish, as this is the best example I've seen of TIG-like aluminum using double-pulse. Of course, this Fronius unit with the push-pull gun is probably a 10K setup.
Reply:Gee,I just noticed in the Everlast text description that, "When welding aluminum, the standard gun works well, but an optional spool gun or push-pull gun can be used to feed wire from .030" to .062" in diameter."But, that there's apparently some U-groove drive rolls as an option.And, wow, it'll be cool to see one of these new DP MIG units rockin' a push-pull gun, too.All good news, to me!https://www.everlastgenerators.com/p...r-i-mig-253dpi
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Reply:Sorry, close but no banana..Notice that they chickened out by NOT showing results of uphill and overhead. Yeah, it comes close but anyone that's a user could see the difference. Now, that's not to say that there is 'goodness' in there somewhere. Certainly less smut. And for me, not worth the dough because I've heard a push-pull is north of 10k.
Reply:Yeah,Undoutedly, this latest Everlast DP unit will do nearly, or, as much as that Fronius unit with a push-pull gun, for far less dough.But we're just going to have to wait till somebody does a video demo of each method with it on double-pulse: plain MIG gun, Spoolgun, and Push-Pull gun.In the meanwhile, Fronius has their video demo for all to see right now.Otherwise, Topwell has a DP, 250 amp MIG unit selling on Amazon, which in on a rolling chassis that is priced similarly to this Everlast 253DPi, but no real support for it in N.A.To me, this Everlast currently has no real competition.There is the double-pulse HTP ProPulse200, which seems brilliant. But it's a 200 amp unit, which is priced well, I think.HTP reportedly has a 300 amp double-pulse unit coming to market soon. But that still skips over the 250 amp unit market, I think.So, I'm really diggin' how this unit is in a unique niche right now, at a nice value, too.Rock On, Everlast!Last edited by C. Livingstone; 03-31-2018 at 03:12 PM.
Reply:There should be a greater seperation between units than 50 amps.
Reply:Also google Thermal Arc or Lorch 320 SP. Digital Synergic that can be set up like a tig welder only with Mig. (I own one.) The Rronius guy was welding about 1.5 pulses per second. If he would have slowed his travel a little he could have had a little more space between his stacks and they would have been a little thicker. You can run 4043 or 5356 with nearly the same look and vertical up and overhead is a non issue. I wish someone in the upper midwest would buy one of these Everlast units because I'd love to run it. I have smart guns and pythons for my unit and yes you are looking at 7K with 100 pre programed programs plus smart mig. Lincoln and Miller are way behind.
Reply:Our push pulk gun is 1200 to add.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:So I burned up some 3/64 4043 and 5356 today playing around with a couple 1/4 thick coupons of 6061. Both wires fed very well with the 1.2mm U groove rollers. I didnt have any feeding problems at all. I did end up melting my tip and so I quit for the day. I got the 5356 to run ok I guess, but there was more soot than I thought there should be. Plate was scotch brighter with a new pad, wire brushed with a new stainless brush and wiped down with acetone. I dont think things could be any cleaner.Argon was about 25cfh. I tried to keep about 3/8 stick out with the tip recessed about 1/8. I found I got the best looking beads holding the gun at 90degrees. Otherwise I got more soot and the nozzle collected spatter. First stringer with inductance set low. Gun at nearly 90 degrees right to left. It started cold, but flattened out.
Second bead with inductance turned up. Piece was cooled off and area cleaned again. I liked the looks of this one better. Once cleaned off, it doesnt look too bad.
Welder settings were as follows:Double pulse mig.045 wire5356 AL4T triggerPreflow .4 secondsInductance set to 8Peak 220Pulse freq 1.8 hz 190A and -0.2V. (It doesnt tell me the voltage, just wether Im + or - of the synergic setting)End Amps 120 and 0.0VBurnback .20 secondsBurnback voltage 0.0 vI ran some 4043 as well starting with the same settings, but I was getting some visible porosity and more soot and some of the welds cracked. Since I dont plan on mig-ing much AL, I am fine just keeping the 5356 on hand.
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Reply:You need about 40 cfh for aluminum. Are you using pure argon?Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT |
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