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Looking to purchase a Lincoln Ranger 330MPX or a Miller Trailblazer 325 EFI. Any opinions for or against appreciated.
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Reply:And man o man look at them thar fancy helmets ! LOL
Reply:Notice the style difference. The big Aussie guy does a whip like I do. Travis does a left right jiggle. Both are more than excellent welderators.
Reply:I know little about Lincoln. Studied specifications of the Miller. Three phase power is very tempting, does Lincoln have it?An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
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Originally Posted by SteveVW
Looking to purchase a Lincoln Ranger 330MPX or a Miller Trailblazer 325 EFI. Any opinions for or against appreciated.
Reply:The main bad things I heard about the TB is never fill the fuel tank all the way or it ruins the engine and do not let the battery go dead because jump starting it will ruin the electronics!!!! OH! and do not use it at or near full amps for gouging or it will burn it up also!!!
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Originally Posted by ronsii
The main bad things I heard about the TB is never fill the fuel tank all the way or it ruins the engine and do not let the battery go dead because jump starting it will ruin the electronics!!!! OH! and do not use it at or near full amps for gouging or it will burn it up also!!!
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Originally Posted by ronsii
The main bad things I heard about the TB is never fill the fuel tank all the way or it ruins the engine and do not let the battery go dead because jump starting it will ruin the electronics!!!! OH! and do not use it at or near full amps for gouging or it will burn it up also!!!
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Originally Posted by thegary
of those 2 machines I would go with the TB325EFI no question. I believe the welders would be comprable , the generator on the TB is much better than on the lincoln.
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Originally Posted by Willie B
I know little about Lincoln. Studied specifications of the Miller. Three phase power is very tempting, does Lincoln have it?
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Originally Posted by Broccoli1
Why?To get the equivalent genset on the Miller yo have to get the EFI Excel OPTION $7,152.00the NEW Lincoln 330 MPX is $6,049.00Both have about the same output : 10k Continuous use watts.Miller is 12k peak BUT that is for 30secs of use.Lincoln: 11.5k The Lincoln now has Direct Connect SpoolgunMiller needs the WC-24 box.
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Originally Posted by 12V71
My 325 has Excel power, but I don't believe it's a requirement for full aux. output. I do like using a 9" grinder with the engine idling.
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Originally Posted by Broccoli1
Correct- Excel gets you 2400 watts at idle.Excel is an Option- but it doesn't make the genset "better"Worth another 1k in price? Dunno.
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Originally Posted by 12V71
I don't pay list at my LWS, I do think the Excel power is going to save enough bucks into 2000 hours to make the extra investment worth it. In 250 hours I can already see the savings in fuel stops running it all day here and there. Also... Can anybody tell me if the Lincoln 305 can run grinders without affecting the arc? That seems to be a dark secret.
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Originally Posted by Broccoli1
I cant find a Trailblazer listed with 3-phase power.
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Originally Posted by Willie B
DC only welder. Trailblazer has a single phase separate alternator for power tools. In effect 180 Hertz welding.
Reply:now I don't have an mpx so I cant bad mouth it and I bet it is great,,,, But as at TB325 owner , this is what I can say, do you work near your truck? Trailblazer, do you not want to hear the welder? Trailblazer. Fuel efficient ?, Trailblazer. Excel Power, "makes the machine imo " even something like not pulling a choke lever out , Trailblazer EFI has you covered. bump the key and go! 800 some odd hours on mine doesn't miss a beat.trailblazer 325 efi excelSlugger sawMiller 12vs Miller 135hypertherm45xpLincoln Sp 200 Lincoln Idealarc 250 Ac/ Dchougen and Milwaukee magstrailblazer 250g "1987"HTP aluminum feeder ahp alpha 200dangerous amount of tools
Reply:if i were you, id consider 305g vs trailblazer325 (and i know very little about either). reason being the 330 is brand new, and sometimes manufacture needs a couple years to get bugs/defects worked out. now i had lunch w/ a real knowledgable welder the other day, and he is sometimes an exagerator/story teller. so i dont know for sure, but he told me the 330 is like a phone, where you enter your name in it, and it either recognises you or something. i dont know if that means if it supposedly welds the style you do or what, or if its even true. but if it is, i sure wouldnt want anything like that around if i didnt have tooLast edited by 123weld; 05-14-2019 at 10:05 PM.
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Originally Posted by 12V71
Having had 4 TB's, and still have a 302 and a 325. I can tell you a few things about them.The fuel problem is caused by a vent check valve in the fuel cap, lets air in but not out. grab the little rubber thing with pliers and yank it out. that ends the tank pressurization problem.I have had to jump mine a couple of times from the truck battery, I left the truck off and left the cables connected 'til I shut the machine down. I suspect the board issue is from disconnecting the cables from a bad battery while the machine is running and the board can't handle the load. Also never turn the ignition on when using a battery charger, charge it, disconnect the charger then start it.My oldest 302 did plenty of wide open gouging and never had a problem. It had the Kohler engine, local Miller service guy told me to never gouge wide open with the Robin/Subaru engine. It sets up some harmonic vibration that breaks cranks at the rear of the engine. I can't say any thing about the red machines having not owned one since the old G-9 series. I was going to rent a 305G just to try it out but I got a heck of a deal on the 325TB. I like the power at idle, the weld at idle takes some getting used to if you listen to the machine much.
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Originally Posted by Broccoli1
I thought this thread was about the Trailblazer and the new Lincoln 330: then you mentioned Miller 3-phase so I assumed there was a 3-phase Trailblazer.
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Originally Posted by scsmith42
The weld generator on my Trailblazer Pro 350D is 4 pole 3 phase generator. It actually has two generator rotors on the same shaft attached to the engine. A 3 phase generator for the weld current and a second single phase generator for the 240VAC power output.
Reply:Interested to know if anyone has tried a lincoln 330mpx myself. I have a TB 325 with the excel power and like the machine but I've been not as big a fan on its arc characteristics. Learning it more as I go playing with the arc force but being a used machine not sure if it's ever been right. Spent 1300 on it for a new board right off the bat so it should be running properly from shop that installed it. Had the opportunity to run a vantage 400 and loved it! I was running up hand 18 on angle iron that should have been impossible and would never try with my TB. Loved it but then ran another one and it was not bad but talk about sticking rods!! Used factors seem to make it hard to know what a machine is really like. The first vantage had work done on the brushes and I thought it was good but the guy running it was all messed up with his settings after and didn't like it. Another friend has a 305 g and loved the smoothness of its arc! Was crisp and clean running 7018. But oh man when we worked together all I wanted to do was pinch off his exaust. Annoying especially when he wasn't working but it ran full throtle for his rod oven. Now with the new 330 it is supposed run like the excel power but only up to 130 amps at an idol instead of the 150 TB puts out. The 330MPX has pulsed mig for aluminum and pulsed TIG. Plus the down hand pipe feature I like as well. Thinking I might make the switch.. Only thing I worry a bit is whether the generator will be enough to power to run the shop and house when the power goes out. The 330 had a bit less wattage and not to sure why they didn't go with EFI. Certainly helps in the Canadian winters I think and have had no problems there with the TB 325 EFI. Just a sticky pulser fuel pump before the electric fuel pump.Last edited by Ltff10; 09-25-2020 at 09:42 AM.
Reply:A true DC generator is better for stick welding than a 3 phase alternator. A 305G with Chopper technology has arc characteristics closer to a DC generator than a Miller Trailblazer but the 325 is better than than 302. The 330MPX is too new to know much about it. Excel power on the TB325 is great option though. I believe the Miller has separate welding and aux. power that don't interfere with each other. 305G has downhill pipe mode too. If you're doing XX10 pipeline go with the Lincoln. A knowledgeable Miller rep. even told me that. The TB tries to re-rectify the arc.
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Originally Posted by Welder Dave
A true DC generator is better for stick welding than a 3 phase alternator. A 305G with Chopper technology has arc characteristics closer to a DC generator than a Miller Trailblazer but the 325 is better than than 302. The 330MPX is too new to know much about it. Excel power on the TB325 is great option though. I believe the Miller has separate welding and aux. power that don't interfere with each other. 305G has downhill pipe mode too. If you're doing XX10 pipeline go with the Lincoln. A knowledgeable Miller rep. even told me that. The TB tries to re-rectify the arc.
Originally Posted by Willie B
I know little about Lincoln. Studied specifications of the Miller. Three phase power is very tempting, does Lincoln have it?
Reply:I believe the miller 3 phase was built to power pivot sprinklers.Just to throw in a new idea, look into the new miller remote control units.first level is a key fob with an on off button. lets you start and stop your welder from where you are working. second level for big blue and trialblazers only is a full remote with on/off and can change modes and weld levels. really nice for certain job sites.Only a few models have this right now. factory installed and not backwards compatible. either remote.
Reply:Lincoln has better ads.There about same do you like Blue or Red.They are both very good weldersDave
Originally Posted by SteveVW
Loking to purchase a Lincoln Ranger 330MPX or a Miller Trailblazer 325 EFI. Any opinions for or against appreciated.
Reply:Lincoln does but they're liquid cooled machines and in a higher price bracket.
Reply:Not for powering anything else, I mean the comparative steadiness of the arc. I haven't used one. Howard has one, it looks steady as ice when I watch.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:As far as the gouging goes......last time I was at the local welder repair shop, the owner showed me exactly why you shouldn't gouge with the small gas drives. An air arc will bounce the power on and off, full to zero output, quite frequently, especially if you're not good with it. Bare with me because this was a couple years ago. He showed me one that came in and the frame that mounts the generator, the tabs break from the torque, and it's quite expensive to replace the generator frame. He said the diesels are much heavier duty. Maybe ccawgc will read this and verify exactly the part I'm referring to. But I did see one and it made a lot of sense.Also, as far as the 3 phase goes, there is a Bobcat 3 Phase with 3 Phase aux power. On the Trailblazer I believe the arc is, or mimics a three phase arc. I don't believe they're referring to the aux power. I seem to remember a Miller rep telling me about the three phase arc. Again, maybe ccawgc or someone else can chime in."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!
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Originally Posted by Willie B
Does anyone offer a true DC generator these days? My introduction to stick welding was a Westinghouse with Chrysler 236 flat head six cylinder industrial engine. I've tried to buy another a few times. It always gets grabbed up before I get there.
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Originally Posted by Stick-man
As far as the gouging goes......last time I was at the local welder repair shop, the owner showed me exactly why you shouldn't gouge with the small gas drives. An air arc will bounce the power on and off, full to zero output, quite frequently, especially if you're not good with it. Bare with me because this was a couple years ago. He showed me one that came in and the frame that mounts the generator, the tabs break from the torque, and it's quite expensive to replace the generator frame. He said the diesels are much heavier duty. Maybe ccawgc will read this and verify exactly the part I'm referring to. But I did see one and it made a lot of sense.Also, as far as the 3 phase goes, there is a Bobcat 3 Phase with 3 Phase aux power. On the Trailblazer I believe the arc is, or mimics a three phase arc. I don't believe they're referring to the aux power. I seem to remember a Miller rep telling me about the three phase arc. Again, maybe ccawgc or someone else can chime in.
Reply:I would see how works on welders and what welder brands they like.This would save money on repairs later.Dave
Originally Posted by SteveVW
Looking to purchase a Lincoln Ranger 330MPX or a Miller Trailblazer 325 EFI. Any opinions for or against appreciated.
Reply:Heh, I think people are mixing two different things about the 3 phase power here. The TB has a 3 phase stator with a 4 pole rotor for welding current, no 3 phase power out for running 3 phase motors and such.I think there is a bobcat model that does have 3 phase power out for running ag motors.
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Originally Posted by Poleframer
Heh, I think people are mixing two different things about the 3 phase power here. The TB has a 3 phase stator with a 4 pole rotor for welding current, no 3 phase power out for running 3 phase motors and such..
Reply:I can tell you from experience: The Red machines are just way cooler. Sure, you could buy a blue machine like every other bum out there but, the girls all get squishy when a Red machine is rolling.
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Originally Posted by joker11
i can tell you from experience: The red machines are just way cooler. Sure, you could buy a blue machine like every other bum out there but, the girls all get squishy when a red machine is rolling.
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Originally Posted by 12V71
I don't pay list at my LWS, I do think the Excel power is going to save enough bucks into 2000 hours to make the extra investment worth it. In 250 hours I can already see the savings in fuel stops running it all day here and there. Also... Can anybody tell me if the Lincoln 305 can run grinders without affecting the arc? That seems to be a dark secret.
Reply:I can't say much about the lincoln 330 other than I think it looks badass. I own the 325 efi with excel power and absolutely love it. Being my previous gen welder was an old lincoln ranger 9 the 325 is a huge step up. I don't do much on-site welding anymore, just on installs, so its rare I run the machine all day. If it does run all day its probably running power tools more than welding. On-site im mostly running 1/8 7018 which runs great. The machine will burn it fine at idle. My favorite thing about the welder is how quite it is. my ranger 9 was so loud it would make my head spin. I can talk on my phone next to the 325 no problem. Like I said though mine doesn't get hard use. I go onsite maybe once a month these days. I do occasionally gouge with it at my shop, but I baby it and use a smaller rod to keep the amps lower.Cody WernerFABCONwww.fabconwelds.com |
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