anti-splatter spray/ PAM

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I read a few threads concerning weld splatter deterrents. Several replys claimed that pam cooking spray works as well as the anti-spatter sprays sold at WS. A few days ago I ran out of anti-sp and used the wife's pam....It made a mess and the spatter balls stuck more abundant than using no spray. What's up...did I use the wrong type of pam?...the wife informed me that there are several types.Miller TrailBlazer 251Miller HF-250-1Miller MaxStar 150 STLHyperTherm PowerMax 380 plasmaLincoln PowerMig 180Millermatic 252Miller Diversion 180
Reply:Current Canadian legislation forces the manufacturer to include a list of ingredients on food products only so you don't see a list of ingredients on the anti-spatter can.  My nose tells me that the Pam my wife used to use smells exactly the same as the anti-spatter we used to have at my old job.  Are they identical?  Can't say for sure but I have had my suspicions Gordie -- "I believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Reply:The Pam original works the best.
Reply:Setting your machine to not splatter is the best option."Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca the Younger
Reply:Wagin,  As stated by Qaqc, machine settings are the best way to go. Now another thing to consider is, if this is code work, Pam cooking spray is not good. This would fall under the catagory of "contaminants". For example, AWS D1.1 2008 5.15 states "Surfaces to be welded, and surfaces adjacent to a weld, shall be free from loose or thick scale, slag, rust, moisture, grease, and other foriegn material that would prevent proper welding or produce objectionable fumes." Just food for thought. jrw159
Reply:Off the top of my head I can't recall ever having a spatter problem with code work.  Usually is something where 6010/11 or innershield is used like making a toolbox where you want it to look nice after you finish.Gordie -- "I believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Reply:I've never tried it myself, but Mac702 swears by the garlic-flavored Pam ....
Reply:I've used Pam with good results, no code work. It was decorative items that I wsa being very cautious with.
Reply:After looking up several MSDS sheets, it does appear that some formulations use soy oil in their products or "vegetable" matter.  Others use Organic solvents.While Pam may not be approved for code...It should be a satisfactory product to use in day to day use.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Note:Do NOT-NOT-NOT try and substitute the anti-spatter spray for the PAM.  Big warning/notice on the can of anti-spatter about it containing MEK.  At least the (older) can of Lincoln Anti-Spatter that I have does.  You don't want THAT in or near food or the kitchen!  The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:lugweld,It should be a satisfactory product to use in day to day use - this is from a welders perspective, I assume.It shall not be used in any welded connection - from QC's perspective.To say it is OK on not OK for day to day use, all depends on perspective."Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca the Younger
Reply:If the ingredients are the same...According to the MSDS, some of the anti spatter formulations are vegetable oil mixed in a water base, with emulsifiers added...others are solvent based with MEK, Ether, Chloroform, CO2,Nitrogen and other things added.  Enviro-friendly products use the vegetable base.  So...while it may not be on the books,  many people have and do use it.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:I personally like the BBQ/ grilling pam myself.                                          MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Personally, I wouldn't worry about small amounts of MEK, 'ether', or chloroform in the kitchen, at least from a toxicity standpoint. More people have probably died due to PAM and Rose Air Freshener, than from anti-spatter. These used to be common sources of 'inhalants' among certain groups of people, and have been known to cause "respiratory collapse".
Reply:For what it's worth I use a cheap knock off brand of Pam that the wife picks up at Aldi food store for me, and it does just as good as the first can of anti spatter that I bought at Home Depot for less money too!Miller Thunderbolt 225Millermatic 130 XPLincoln HD 100 Forney C-5bt Arc welderPlasma Cutter Gianteach Cut40ACent Machinery Bandsaw Cent Machinery 16Speed Drill PressChicago Electric 130amp tig/90 ArcHobart 190 Mig spoolgun ready
Reply:I agree that machine adj. is the best spatt preventative. once I decreased the arc start amps, spatt was decreased... I have been using Unamig spray by National Welders supply and recently ran out. I tried Pam grilling spray and the results were horrible. It seemed to increase the amount of hot balls stuck to work and produced a burnt finish on parts. Also, I think the grease film left may cause trouble when parts are plated. Here is an older pic of the application. Attached ImagesMiller TrailBlazer 251Miller HF-250-1Miller MaxStar 150 STLHyperTherm PowerMax 380 plasmaLincoln PowerMig 180Millermatic 252Miller Diversion 180
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonRiseNote:Do NOT-NOT-NOT try and substitute the anti-spatter spray for the PAM.  Big warning/notice on the can of anti-spatter about it containing MEK.  At least the (older) can of Lincoln Anti-Spatter that I have does.  You don't want THAT in or near food or the kitchen!
Reply:Originally Posted by waginMoonRise,      The reply and advise is greatly appreciated, but come on...how stupid would one have to be to cook food in anti-weld spatter spray....Oh Yah,...what is MEK?
Reply:MEK = Metyl Ethyl KetoneAlso called methylacetone, but most of the time in the US it's just called MEK (usually saying the letters "M" "E" "K", not the word "mek").It's an 'industrial' solvent.  Volatile, flammable, explosive vapors, that sort of thing.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEKThere are more dangerous chemicals out there, but MEK is not all that benign.https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/95495.htmYeah, I use it sometimes.  Usually in some grease remover 'stuff', not often by itself.Nitesky, giggling and singing, eh?  Yup, time for some FRESH air if -that- happens.    The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...