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http://www.aws.org/w/a/certification/CWSR/Not sure what AWS is trying to accomplish....making money?
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Reply:I don't expect a guy or women making $8.00 behind a counter to inform me about a welder or materials. So don't expect any of them to get certified.I do know a few knowledgable salesman that are a little pissed about it who have been doing it for years.
Reply:Originally Posted by Fat Bastardhttp://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=19988http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=19988
Reply:Gentlemen,  I see up sides and down sides to this. As depicted in the thread linked by FB there are issues that this would help with. This is an issue nation wide that I am positive many more than the people who posted in that thread have experienced. It would help to insure knowledgeable people in that area of the industry. It would not be the end of the issues but would put a dent in them.Then you have the fact that knowledge is worth something and the one with the cert could be better paid.Of course as with everything that "costs" the price would most assuredly be passed on to the consumer in some way or another. I would think that the impact would be minimal at best.Catch 22? Good help at a higher cost or not so good help at a cheaper cost.This is purely opinion, and some may say a biased one, but I believe AWS is trying to accomplish two things (not necessarily in this order).#1: To insure a higher caliber of person in key places in the industry.#2: Of course they are in it to make a little money as well.Duane makes a good point about how this would be accomplished. Respectfully,jrw159
Reply:I've always said go to the root. The root would be well qualified weldors as actual salesman. How impressive is a guy that can truly show you what a machine can do first hand ? The problem is places don't want to pay which is exactly what is wrong with Home Depot & Lowes aside from inferior products nobody knows what the hell their talking about if you can find them.I.B.E.W Electrician and Damn Proud of It !!!! .Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/
Reply:As far as im concerned its not a bad thing.  The other day i went into the local Airgas to ask for some 90-10 for spray arc.  They needed to look in the computer to see if they had any.Vantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Still probably better than AutoZone though. Stick a 12-bolt under your 98 Camaro, and go look for a differential cover gasket. Watch the hilarity ensue...The soldering toys pay for the welding toys.Hakko 928 dual iron, 4xHakko 936Madell 850D Hot Air SMT ReworkMiller 252, HTP Invertig 201 AC/DC, and a Hypertherm 45.
Reply:Originally Posted by DualieAs far as im concerned its not a bad thing.  The other day i went into the local Airgas to ask for some 90-10 for spray arc.  They needed to look in the computer to see if they had any.
Reply:For those interested.http://www.aws.org/certification/CWSR/jrw159
Reply:Certification will help.  Most of these sales people do not park their butts behind a counter.  They are a valuable technical source for welding and fabrication operation.  When you have welds cracking and everyone pointing fingers it is important that the guy who sold you that pallet of wire and is your gas supplier can contribute to the equation in an intelligent manner.  One cracking problem that came to mind was a mystery,  Engineers said we used the wrong preheat procedure.  Supplier could see nothing wrong with our selection of filler,  It ended up that the grout used in the weldment expanded.  ( I didn't know many grouts and hydraulic cements expand rather than contract)  It was not the only cause.  It turned out that the salvaged pipe used was the primary cause.  This racket is based on a team effort.   A knowledgeable sales staff can be an important part of the effort.
Reply:Originally Posted by DualieAs far as im concerned its not a bad thing.  The other day i went into the local Airgas to ask for some 90-10 for spray arc.  They needed to look in the computer to see if they had any.
Reply:I agree it would be nice if the sales people and store manager actually knew welding.   At the local shops here, there is one guy in each store who knows what he's talking about.  The others are just counter help.  They  can look up stuff on the computer or in a manual, but don't ask them for advice on much of anything.  So if you go there needing advice and that one knowlegeable guy isn't there, you're outta luck.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:I have a wild thought... hear this out now.... All you guys whining about the help in the LWS go get a job at the LWS and then you all can deal with the whining welders that come in everyday asking the best rod for welding aluminum and is the 30a spool gun really only good for 30 amps? O can I weld copper with me HF 100 mig gun? Come on guys do you all really want to deal with a bunch of egotistical welders all day
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Reply:Originally Posted by Fat BastardNot sure I see the issue with checking a computer about stock on hand?