Verticals with .030 wire....

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Reply:Very Nice!
Reply:someday i may get to be that good with a welder, until then
Reply:se mikey i was certain you couldn't hold out on showing offit's gr88888888tttttt! did you get the pictures of the tigged bud cans?  i don't have a spunky username just what it is, me!
Reply:I was only playing....  and I got the pictures of the welding on the cans, but they burned the paint off of good can......
Reply:Not to bad Mike. You could do smaller steps it would make it a bit better looking. But they are nice.Chase.
Reply:i don't have a spunky username just what it is, me!
Reply:Thanks Chase, I will try to do better next time.....
Reply:mikey isn't this technique known as the "short-arc procedure" instead of what Chase might have thought was just vert up! just trying to clarify as to WHY there are steps!sorry for impeeding,just my .02!  i don't have a spunky username just what it is, me!
Reply:Yes it is Mr Paul...and Chase is only giving IHO, But that's as good as it get's.........
Reply:i forgot to ask but i know we talked at the shop about the wire speed and voltage for short arc but what about the gas more than 20 cfm or less! just curious.......  i don't have a spunky username just what it is, me!
Reply:I set mine at 30cfm's But this is a good flow meter, not a flow gauge...   Chase, BTW could you show me what better is....I just need to see it, then maybe I could do it.......
Reply:I will take some pictures at work to show you guys. The thing I was trying to say is don't move so fast on your virtical progresion spend less time in the middle and more on the sides it will clean the weld up a little bit more. The settings I use for verts with 030 are 17.7 Volts and 213 Ipm. Try it. It runs realy cold but makes a pretty weld.
Reply:Best Welds I've seen yet!!
Reply:Thank you Little John....  Chase I like to run every thing hot, but have no under cut. I look forward to seeing this cold weld.....
Reply:just to clarify ...      Mike what thickness are those bars?      Chase what is the thickness for the 17.7v 218ipm set-up?      Would 17.7 218 be too cold to even create a 100 pen joint in anything over 3/16"?just curious?  i don't have a spunky username just what it is, me!
Reply:Mr Paul, you never give up!!! And I will not lose!! The plates are 1/2"x4" and 1"1/2"x2".....  Can I put this to bed now......................   At least, until someone shows me something Better........  Attached Images
Reply:don't worry mikey you know me in that i'm just a curious bugger!   but thanks for the new picture , i guess that must be 100 pen     i don't have a spunky username just what it is, me!
Reply:Mr. Paul, This is not 100% pen........  One can't break threw 1/2" plate with .030 wire, I don't care how hot it is, to make it 100% you would need to carbon arc the back side to solid metal, and start filling it out from there.The cut threw is just to show it is solid all the way out. I made two cuts just playing, my son took it school, and his Instructor was Blown away. He said he has been welding a long time, but he has never seen that done with wire.BTW  I put the Hammer in the leads yesterday, pictures of the new boat will be up soon,Stay Tuned........
Reply:those welds are cold..  turn the voltage and wfs up and try not to go up so fast and u won't get such a bumpy look
Reply:Guy,Robinhood's welds at the first of the thread are as close to textbook "figure 8" weave welds as I have seen.  Hobart bros. used to publish text books for welding.  I have an old vo-tech text that uses experts from one from the early 1950s.  Likely, folks don't use this weave much anymore because of the difficulty controlling it, but it is the weave recommended for V-ups.Smithboy...if it ain't broke, you ain't tryin'.
Reply:smithboy, You are right again. FTR 7 out of 10 guys in school busted in six weeks of trying, they just don't get it. But hey you guys can do this with them little 110 welder and .023 wire if you just try.
Reply:Guy,Here is the pictures from the book I was talking about.  Not too hot, not too cold....just right.  Also attached is the weave patterns commonly used in stick.  Folks who passed through welding school in years past (not saying how many) learned most of these and even more (different companies, different books, creative weldors).  Weldors wanted to leave a signature on their work.  With the rise in popularity of less expensive mig welders folks adapted some or all of these weaves to mig, but most manuals now-a-days only demonstrate a couple, maybe three.  Give'um a whirl if you havent already.  Also, keep your eyes open for old welding texts, because you find little nuggets sometimes that would otherwise be lost. Attached ImagesLast edited by smithboy; 08-16-2005 at 12:15 PM.Smithboy...if it ain't broke, you ain't tryin'.
Reply:Thanks for sharing the pictures, in the last few days Iv'e seen some real nice what I call it (short arc) These Guys ain't doing to bad, But I had a lot of Practice welding on the Bow sections of Our Aircraft Carriers. Just glad to see some still doing it.
Reply:Ya my teacher showed me some welds that were done with different types of weaving patterns but he said that it's the only way of doing it and that i should just stick to weaving back and forth.It should be pretty easy to deduce that one might want to use a different weave for different positions and joint types.  I've got a pretty high regard for my own skills as a weldor, and I am confident that I couldn't achieve that level of quality on a vertical-up weld without a lot more practice.I looked at the cross-section and thought I saw porosity or inclusions, but then I realized that I need to clean the dust off my monitor.-Heath