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Hey all...been a while since I been on...I was living in Indiana and now live in New York..Is anyone on here work out of the Iron workers union 417?????Better yet anyone have any leads on work in the tristate area??
Reply:Sky Hy here--you guys are bad off too? Don't come to the Chicago area-things are dead slow here. 2000 guys going for the same job. Not getting the Olympics really hurt us. All the big contractors are now going after all the small jobs. No apprentices taken in this year or last year. The hall paid our dues for the whole year and last year too. They had to. Too many guys don't have the money to pay them. A lot of guys ran out of insurance also. Went to Salt Lake City for the World Superbike race, 20 miles west of the hall out there, stopped in & filled out paperwork to boom out. That hall covers parts of five states. Very slow for those folks too.
Reply:the unions are slow ? ? I thought our head community organizer-in-chief was suppose to help them out and they'd be the only ones left with work. Now thats hopee change !
Reply:Originally Posted by lincweldthe unions are slow ? ? I thought our head community organizer-in-chief was suppose to help them out and they'd be the only ones left with work. Now thats hopee change !
Reply:Shows a very limited capacity for rational thought."The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State, because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government." Teddy RooseveltAmerican by birth, Union by choice! Boilermakers # 60America is a Union.
Reply:Originally Posted by lincweldthe unions are slow ? ? I thought our head community organizer-in-chief was suppose to help them out and they'd be the only ones left with work. Now thats hopee change !
Reply:Originally Posted by sky hy ironmanYeah lincweld, blame this administration for the mess they're making cleaning up the old administration's mess. WE ARE ALL RESPOSINBLE for the current conditions of this economy. A front end brake job on your wifes car runs $200 by you. Same work, same pay out here. $100,000 of open heart surgery for me here would cost the same out by you. Yes,No? 2009 wage-$41.80 per hr., $8.14 per hr. for insurance (1400 hrs. a year minimum for coverage, otherwise you chip in a significant amount to maintain it), pension is $5.69 per hr., annuity (401k deal) is $10.42 per hr. Monthly dues is one hour pay. 2 1/2% assesment per check. Virginia-local 79 (norfolk) wage-$23.40, insurance-$3.10, pension-$5.91, annuity-6.5%. Same work, same pay. Yes,No? NOW I'M CONFUSED. ----if anybody wants to know the ironworker wage & bennie for your area (Canada too) PM me for details. Sky Hy out.
Reply:Originally Posted by Matt_MaguireJeeze, sky hy! You'd thing anyone with some money to gamble would burn rubber for that area to get a piece of the bargain in VA and develop something.We are in the same state and the folks I know mostly aren't moving because they have no idea what the rules will be tommorrow. So they just stand pat and wait.This current market looks worse to me than the 78 - 82 years and that was just a mess.Matt
Reply:Theres work in the shipyards here but dont bother coming, welders have been flooding into the area lately and you get 800 - 1000 apps a day for positions.
Reply:I'm non union and there is plenty of work for Ironworkers right now. Many power plants are starting large projects. The current plant I'm working at right now is having large scale projects till 2016.I do however see the benefit of being union and I'm by no means trying to start a debate or argument over this. However I will say there is no shortage of jobs for good hands and I can probably name over 20 projects right now that are paying well.
Reply:Originally Posted by PackthecrackI'm non union and there is plenty of work for Ironworkers right now. Many power plants are starting large projects. The current plant I'm working at right now is having large scale projects till 2016.I do however see the benefit of being union and I'm by no means trying to start a debate or argument over this. However I will say there is no shortage of jobs for good hands and I can probably name over 20 projects right now that are paying well.
Reply:Originally Posted by sky hy ironman----Locations Brother? Locations?-
Reply:Sky Hy, I recommend not taking a job unless it is union. Its just not something good union brothers do.UA Local 598
Reply:Originally Posted by WHughesSky Hy, I recommend not taking a job unless it is union. Its just not something good union brothers do.
Reply:HMMM, I'm not Union. When it comes down to it, when your backbone stickning to your bellybutton WORK! 433 out here in Ca. Got off the boat and went all the way. I dont know to me waiting for a agent to give me a slot so I can get some work just got old real quick.I was in a union a whole 3 mo. got a total of 4 days work in that time. After driving to the hall and waiting for my # to be called, that just didn't WORK for me. I haven't been out of work since the day I left. My former union bros. well most of them got out and have done the same. My opinion, to me unions don't work. Maybe for big highway jobs water lines and schools. Little jobs those belong to the independents. Define little job 30 days or less. There are lots of them out there. Maybe unions work in your area? I don't know. I don't have anything invested in your situation. So I wont tell you what you should do, Good travels! " Better to have a constant trickle going in the bucket than to amass large amounts quickly and have nothing in the end"
Reply:Originally Posted by thermalfusioneng.HMMM, I'm not Union. When it comes down to it, when your backbone stickning to your bellybutton WORK! 433 out here in Ca. Got off the boat and went all the way. I dont know to me waiting for a agent to give me a slot so I can get some work just got old real quick.I was in a union a whole 3 mo. got a total of 4 days work in that time. After driving to the hall and waiting for my # to be called, that just didn't WORK for me. I haven't been out of work since the day I left. My former union bros. well most of them got out and have done the same. My opinion, to me unions don't work. Maybe for big highway jobs water lines and schools. Little jobs those belong to the independents. Define little job 30 days or less. There are lots of them out there. Maybe unions work in your area? I don't know. I don't have anything invested in your situation. So I wont tell you what you should do, Good travels! " Better to have a constant trickle going in the bucket than to amass large amounts quickly and have nothing in the end"
Reply:What did Frank Zappa say about Unions, you can find the answers in the lyrics of this song. Frank Zappa Stick Together LyricsThis is a song about the union, friends How they ****ed you over and the way they bends The rules to suit a special few And you gets pooched every time they do You know we gotta stick together You know we gotta stick together You know we gotta stick together You know we gotta stick together Once upon a time the idea was good If only they'd a done what they said they would It ain't no better, they's makin' it worse The labor movement's got the Mafia curse You know we gotta stick together You know we gotta stick together You know we gotta stick together You know we gotta stick together Don't be no fool, don't be no dope Common sense is your only hope When the union tells you it's time to strike Tell the mother****er to take a hike You know we gotta stick together You know we gotta stick together You know we gotta stick together You know we gotta stick together (repeats)
Reply:Ha, you listen to Frank Zappa and he somehow influences your political views. Very credible. And yes, my UA is very strong in this country and my local is one on the stronger locals in the UA.UA Local 598
Reply:Non union and glad of it. Working more than I want. I dont have 1000 guys that want my job. The work just keeps rolling in. We have had to turn down work.
Reply:You know my uncle was a union president for many years. That was where my advice came from.His advice was good for me. Well I'm not giving advice, just letting you know what the situation was with me at that time. Like I said unions probably work better for you, awesome.
Reply:Teamsters have a motorcyle club. I wonder what the saturation rate is for riding a Harley or Indian?90% 100% must be pretty hard having ten unnecessary people on something designed for two.
Reply:PA's unions are $165 billion in the hole just for unfunded pensions. If the good 'ol gov't didn't keep feeding these locals contract after contract and they were forced to compete in the private sector -Bam ! This country's union problem would instantly be solved cuz they'd all go under. A question for someone who might know, please explain, why do government workers need a union ? ?
Reply:Originally Posted by lincweldPA's unions are $165 billion in the hole just for unfunded pensions. If the good 'ol gov't didn't keep feeding these locals contract after contract and they were forced to compete in the private sector -Bam ! This country's union problem would instantly be solved cuz they'd all go under. A question for someone who might know, please explain, why do government workers need a union ? ?
Reply:I am sorry my friend but if I wanted ignorant propaganda I would consult the AFL CIO. Tell me, did your beloved AFL CIO explain to you this ? 1. Labor unions fight for more jobs and higher wages by overwhelmingly supporting Democratic politicians. 2. Democratic politicians overwhelmingly support lax immigration policies. 3. Lax immigration policies clearly result in more illegal workers. 4. More illegal workers inevitably result in FEWER available jobs and LOWER wages. The unions had plenty of money to give Obama for his campaign though didn't they? I say let the pensions go belly up and the people that lost their pensions can sue the unions that spent their money to put a Communist in the White House. Have you paid attention to what's going on in Greece lately ? Why all the violence there? Because they unionized and made promises that they knew they couldn't keep ! This is common knowledge. Nobody in their right mind is going to argue the fact that unions had their place when they started in this country. Yes, you are right, they established fair wages and safety standards. BUT they didn't demand special rights, they demanded EQUAL rights. These days unions look down on fundamental American ideals like competition, capitalism, and freedom of choice and instead embrace monopolies and bureaucracy- the very things they fought against. A recent Rasmussen survey found 81% of nonunion workers DO NOT want anything to do with unions. Nobody is stopping the whopping 9% of workers that would like to join a union, to organize and join one. Unionization of government jobs is 5 times higher than that of jobs in the private sector. Could it be that private sector companies have to worry about a "bottom line ?" Any bussiness savy person knows unions result in higher labor costs and more red tape, two things that hurt a company's ability to compete -but two things that a government monoply could not care less about. Which brings me to my question in my last post. Why do government workers need a union ? WHuges, I addressed a couple of your questions, maybe you could answer my one ?Oh yeah. "Blanket statements like "unions are 165 million in the hole" applies to what union?"http://news-political.com/2010/05/24...on-union-scam/Last edited by lincweld; 06-25-2010 at 07:11 PM.
Reply:If the unions hadn't established wage and safety standards, y'all non union workers would be working like dogs for nothing, with a very short life expectancy.That's all I got to say"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/Hell, guess I got more to sayUnions wouldn't have been established unless there was a real need. Go read yer history books, life wasn't all a bed of roses not too long ago."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Originally Posted by lincweldI am sorry my friend but if I wanted ignorant propaganda I would consult the AFL CIO. Tell me, did your beloved AFL CIO explain to you this ? 1. Labor unions fight for more jobs and higher wages by overwhelmingly supporting Democratic politicians. 2. Democratic politicians overwhelmingly support lax immigration policies. 3. Lax immigration policies clearly result in more illegal workers. 4. More illegal workers inevitably result in FEWER available jobs and LOWER wages. The unions had plenty of money to give Obama for his campaign though didn't they? I say let the pensions go belly up and the people that lost their pensions can sue the unions that spent their money to put a Communist in the White House. Have you paid attention to what's going on in Greece lately ? Why all the violence there? Because they unionized and made promises that they knew they couldn't keep ! This is common knowledge. Nobody in their right mind is going to argue the fact that unions had their place when they started in this country. Yes, you are right, they established fair wages and safety standards. BUT they didn't demand special rights, they demanded EQUAL rights. These days unions look down on fundamental American ideals like competition, capitalism, and freedom of choice and instead embrace monopolies and bureaucracy- the very things they fought against. A recent Rasmussen survey found 81% of nonunion workers DO NOT want anything to do with unions. Nobody is stopping the whopping 9% of workers that would like to join a union, to organize and join one. Unionization of government jobs is 5 times higher than that of jobs in the private sector. Could it be that private sector companies have to worry about a "bottom line ?" Any bussiness savy person knows unions result in higher labor costs and more red tape, two things that hurt a company's ability to compete -but two things that a government monoply could not care less about. Which brings me to my question in my last post. Why do government workers need a union ? WHuges, I addressed a couple of your questions, maybe you could answer my one ?Oh yeah. "Blanket statements like "unions are 165 million in the hole" applies to what union?"http://news-political.com/2010/05/24...on-union-scam/
Reply:I'm right there with WHughes. lincweld, if you think that the Democrats are the ones that are soft on immigration then please tell me why the GOP who has had more than their share of time in control of this country has done nothing but blow smoke up every bodies asses about how they are going to do this or that to "fix" the problems that this country faces. All the while this BS is put out about what is wrong and what they are doing to change it, they run the time out until people get bored, forget about problem "A" and are now focused on problem "B" and then "C", etc., etc.. For some unknown reason (short attention span, low I.Q.?) too many seem to not realize that nothing has been accomplished on the original problem or if something was done it was usually at the detriment of the working class. Remember W's tax cuts? Still business as usual, status quo.By lincweld;1. Labor unions fight for more jobs and higher wages by overwhelmingly supporting Democratic politicians.
Reply:wouldnt say all unions are bad. Never heard a bad thing about ironworkers or boilermakers. now as for the uaw.....they can lick my taint.
Reply:I'm new here and you don't know me and I don't know you.But here is my two cents.When I graduated from high school in 1982, things were much the same way as what they are right now. I was young and it took me two years, just to find a job. Any job.Now I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth and I did not even have a auto to drive to get to work. I live out in the boonies of Pennsylvania and my first job was driving a delivery truck for a lumber yard.I free lanced as a carpenter for about 8 years and did odd jobs in the off seasons such as working in grocery stores and fast food and even a state park.I had the skills to be a good machinist, but the job opportunities just wasn't there.I finally landed a couple of machine shop jobs and none of them paid more then $10 a hour. The last machine shop job, I quit because I was driving 71 miles each way every day for $10.84 an hour.By the time they took out the initiation fees for joining the union, the fee's for the right to work in the city of Export PA. The ambulance fund - which was $100 for every worker in the town. Hospitalization, taxes, fuel and repairs to my vehicle - I figured it out one day, I was making $1 a hour.Unions might have been good 100 years ago, but they are crap today.The company I left to go to work for Universal Welding was called Siemens and I made motor drives. At Universal, there was a hole in the roof and when it rained, the water ran right down on the motor drive, which held 2400 vac - 3 phase and was not in a weather tight compartment. They make both indoor and outdoor motor drives.I was running a lathe with 2 inches of water on the floor, not 3 feet from the motor drive.There was a pile of chips around the lathe that was 7 feet tall at several machines, the others were at least 5 feet tall. Nobody would shovel up the chips because it was not in the contract to clean up your work area when you were a machinist.The maintenance guy had cancer and missed a whole year of work and nobody was doing even the most basic PM in the place. The one lathe had no oil pressure and just for kicks and giggles, I took the drain plug out of the gearbox just to see what would come out. I drained about 5 gallons of water and never hit oil. It was clear enough that I dumped it down the sink in the bathroom and nobody noticed.When I went to the owners, he asked what should we do and I suggested draining everything and putting in real oil.They had more work then they could handle and their machines were falling apart. They had two 500 amp welders wired together with an automatic mig welder which was running at about 800 amps 18 hours a day. No heat treat oven because it broke.No mechanic to take things apart and put them back together, so they had the janitor doing that job. No press to push or pull bearings. He tried to put a bearing on a shaft and it got stuck and I machined the shaft with the bearing on it and got it to move - after I machined it properly and saved them thousands of dollars.The shop steward was also the foreman. This makes no sense to me, but he was the only one willing to do the job.Because he was the union representative, he did not have to pay union dues.At the same time, when raise time came around, he signed the contract which was good for the company, but not good for the workers and the workers got a $.25 a hour raise and he got a dollar.At the same time, I was repairing everything and doing all of the pre machining and all of the repair work and some of the finishing machining.The owner would tell me to do one thing and then the shop steward / foreman would go into the office and complain and then the flunkie would come out and tell me to get back to work. I would have a carriage for a lathe tore apart and they would tell me to put it back together and run it, and it wasn't even fixed yet.They complained because I not only cleaned the floors, I also cleaned the machines.They complained because I worked all the over time that I could get.When it came time to hire someone to do the maintenance job, only one person bid on the job and he was a night shift welder and he wanted off night shift really bad.He was there for 3 years and he didn't know anything about electrical.The last day to bid on the job, and the funny thing there was that the owner offered the job to me and then put it out to bid and I wasn't in the union yet - although I already paid my dues - I put my name on the list and everyone quit talking to me in the shop.Even worse, it was getting ready to snow and they were opening the windows and doors to freeze me out. There was no heat in the building.Basically the prisoners ran the prison.Because there was nothing in the contract that said how many days a week you had to work - no mandatory attendance, some of these people only worked on the days that had a S in it!They even stole some of my tools and they did willful misconduct by breaking some of the tooling that I made for the lathe's. Again, because they were in the union and because the owner did not have the right to fire them and because nobody wanted to work for him or his wages - he did nothing to those people.In the 4 years since I left that place, never a day goes by where I wish that I was still working there and I have not found any gainful employment since and I have been living off my savings - not a penny of government money.At the same time I will tell you that some segments of the electrical industry - mainly repair - has lot's of work to do. But because the economy is so bad, most of the repair work has even been put on the back burners until things gets better.My one brother works for Siemens and is a project manager for their distribution side and he has more work then he knows what to do with.My other brother is a welder for the generation side and repairs turbine blades and was only home 54 days - all last year. That's including his 3 weeks paid vacation.I drive him to the airport when he has to go out on a job and there were times where I picked him up at the airport 9 PM at night and had to take him back to the airport by 10 am the next day to go to the next job.Now this year, he has worked several jobs, but I would say that his home time has been almost 50/50Even the shop he works out of doesn't want him to come in and work because they have to pay him mileage and has to put him up in a motel and give him a per diem and it costs them more to do that then what they make if there is not a customer to pay the bill.So I would have to say that who ever says that there is a lot of work out there - is probably full of prune juice. Certain segments has to be done - the PM side and the construction side. The NRC has approved a bunch of permits to build nuclear power plants over the next several years.But as far as the $48 a hour jobs goes, those are probably going to be few and far between. I would suggest that if a person was a good welder - that they better get off their duff and go out and find a job or start their own company and not wait for things to get better.You just might end up like me, 45 years old and unemployed and not able to find a job because I am too old to do the machine operator - hence broom pusher job anymore and too inexperienced to get hired by the local companies because I have no CNC experience.The rock and a hard place is only going to keep getting worse until the government figures out that extending benefits is not going to help someone that is not out trying to find a job. I am on the computer 4 hours a day looking for work. I spend 8 hours a day, working for myself and the rest of the time I spend trying to keep my house going.I get about 5 hours a night of sleep.My hair is falling out because I worry so much about how I am going to find a job at my age with benefits or how I will be able to retire - if I don't die first!All employers wants is young kids that they can work like slaves and when the dirty work is done, they can lay them off and hire someone else for less money and start all over again. This whole country is driven by profits and how much you can screw the little guy.The idiots that shops at Walmart and thinks that they are saving money is the stupidest people I know. The Chinese exports and all the cheap crap out there right now is what is killing this country. Nobody cares how good it is, all they care about is how cheap can I get it.
Reply:By Booger Welder;I'm new here and you don't know me and I don't know you.But here is my two cents.When I graduated from high school in 1982, things were much the same way as what they are right now. I was young and it took me two years, just to find a job. Any job.Now I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth and I did not even have a auto to drive to get to work. I live out in the boonies of Pennsylvania and my first job was driving a delivery truck for a lumber yard.I free lanced as a carpenter for about 8 years and did odd jobs in the off seasons such as working in grocery stores and fast food and even a state park.I had the skills to be a good machinist, but the job opportunities just wasn't there.I finally landed a couple of machine shop jobs and none of them paid more then $10 a hour. The last machine shop job, I quit because I was driving 71 miles each way every day for $10.84 an hour.By the time they took out the initiation fees for joining the union, the fee's for the right to work in the city of Export PA. The ambulance fund - which was $100 for every worker in the town. Hospitalization, taxes, fuel and repairs to my vehicle - I figured it out one day, I was making $1 a hour.Unions might have been good 100 years ago, but they are crap today.The company I left to go to work for Universal Welding was called Siemens and I made motor drives. At Universal, there was a hole in the roof and when it rained, the water ran right down on the motor drive, which held 2400 vac - 3 phase and was not in a weather tight compartment. They make both indoor and outdoor motor drives.I was running a lathe with 2 inches of water on the floor, not 3 feet from the motor drive.There was a pile of chips around the lathe that was 7 feet tall at several machines, the others were at least 5 feet tall. Nobody would shovel up the chips because it was not in the contract to clean up your work area when you were a machinist.The maintenance guy had cancer and missed a whole year of work and nobody was doing even the most basic PM in the place. The one lathe had no oil pressure and just for kicks and giggles, I took the drain plug out of the gearbox just to see what would come out. I drained about 5 gallons of water and never hit oil. It was clear enough that I dumped it down the sink in the bathroom and nobody noticed.When I went to the owners, he asked what should we do and I suggested draining everything and putting in real oil.They had more work then they could handle and their machines were falling apart. They had two 500 amp welders wired together with an automatic mig welder which was running at about 800 amps 18 hours a day. No heat treat oven because it broke.No mechanic to take things apart and put them back together, so they had the janitor doing that job. No press to push or pull bearings. He tried to put a bearing on a shaft and it got stuck and I machined the shaft with the bearing on it and got it to move - after I machined it properly and saved them thousands of dollars.The shop steward was also the foreman. This makes no sense to me, but he was the only one willing to do the job.Because he was the union representative, he did not have to pay union dues.At the same time, when raise time came around, he signed the contract which was good for the company, but not good for the workers and the workers got a $.25 a hour raise and he got a dollar.At the same time, I was repairing everything and doing all of the pre machining and all of the repair work and some of the finishing machining.The owner would tell me to do one thing and then the shop steward / foreman would go into the office and complain and then the flunkie would come out and tell me to get back to work. I would have a carriage for a lathe tore apart and they would tell me to put it back together and run it, and it wasn't even fixed yet.They complained because I not only cleaned the floors, I also cleaned the machines.They complained because I worked all the over time that I could get.When it came time to hire someone to do the maintenance job, only one person bid on the job and he was a night shift welder and he wanted off night shift really bad.He was there for 3 years and he didn't know anything about electrical.The last day to bid on the job, and the funny thing there was that the owner offered the job to me and then put it out to bid and I wasn't in the union yet - although I already paid my dues - I put my name on the list and everyone quit talking to me in the shop.Even worse, it was getting ready to snow and they were opening the windows and doors to freeze me out. There was no heat in the building.Basically the prisoners ran the prison.Because there was nothing in the contract that said how many days a week you had to work - no mandatory attendance, some of these people only worked on the days that had a S in it!They even stole some of my tools and they did willful misconduct by breaking some of the tooling that I made for the lathe's. Again, because they were in the union and because the owner did not have the right to fire them and because nobody wanted to work for him or his wages - he did nothing to those people.In the 4 years since I left that place, never a day goes by where I wish that I was still working there and I have not found any gainful employment since and I have been living off my savings - not a penny of government money.At the same time I will tell you that some segments of the electrical industry - mainly repair - has lot's of work to do. But because the economy is so bad, most of the repair work has even been put on the back burners until things gets better.My one brother works for Siemens and is a project manager for their distribution side and he has more work then he knows what to do with.My other brother is a welder for the generation side and repairs turbine blades and was only home 54 days - all last year. That's including his 3 weeks paid vacation.I drive him to the airport when he has to go out on a job and there were times where I picked him up at the airport 9 PM at night and had to take him back to the airport by 10 am the next day to go to the next job.Now this year, he has worked several jobs, but I would say that his home time has been almost 50/50Even the shop he works out of doesn't want him to come in and work because they have to pay him mileage and has to put him up in a motel and give him a per diem and it costs them more to do that then what they make if there is not a customer to pay the bill.So I would have to say that who ever says that there is a lot of work out there - is probably full of prune juice. Certain segments has to be done - the PM side and the construction side. The NRC has approved a bunch of permits to build nuclear power plants over the next several years.But as far as the $48 a hour jobs goes, those are probably going to be few and far between. I would suggest that if a person was a good welder - that they better get off their duff and go out and find a job or start their own company and not wait for things to get better.You just might end up like me, 45 years old and unemployed and not able to find a job because I am too old to do the machine operator - hence broom pusher job anymore and too inexperienced to get hired by the local companies because I have no CNC experience.The rock and a hard place is only going to keep getting worse until the government figures out that extending benefits is not going to help someone that is not out trying to find a job. I am on the computer 4 hours a day looking for work. I spend 8 hours a day, working for myself and the rest of the time I spend trying to keep my house going.I get about 5 hours a night of sleep.My hair is falling out because I worry so much about how I am going to find a job at my age with benefits or how I will be able to retire - if I don't die first!All employers wants is young kids that they can work like slaves and when the dirty work is done, they can lay them off and hire someone else for less money and start all over again. This whole country is driven by profits and how much you can screw the little guy.The idiots that shops at Walmart and thinks that they are saving money is the stupidest people I know. The Chinese exports and all the cheap crap out there right now is what is killing this country. Nobody cares how good it is, all they care about is how cheap can I get it.
Reply:Well Booger,Brother, I feel everything you are saying. I have also been out of work for 8 months and am due back shortly to a long term gig.The jobs you describe in your post are not even in the same ballpark as my union experience. We have a chain of command that is never compromised in the work place. Brother on brother trash talking or other bad behavior is not tolerated and handled at the hall because we handle our own business. Our rules are strict and they are to be followed so what you describe is foreign to me. I do understand this terrible economy and what you are going through.Tonight, I am watching Walmart, the high cost of low prices. Its a documentary, for you guys who dont know, and it should be watched by all Americans.UA Local 598
Reply:Originally Posted by Bob the WelderBy Booger Welder;I gotta call BS!
Reply:I worked for Walmart - Distribution center 6023 - Woodland PAThey paid $8.50 a hour in 1993As far as Universal Welding goes - anytime any one of you welders wants a tour of the place, I will call Steve or Tom Woods and they will be more then glad to give you a tour and offer you a job.NO EXPERIENCE NECESSARY.If you really want a education - just watch the Grapes of Wrath - movie - the black and white version. As I told them when I quit - I could stay here and starve a little at a time or I could go home and starve all at once.The Union was the Ironworkers and I was ashamed to even say that I even worked there.To make matters worse, I was offered a job for a company 30 miles up the road and when I found out that the owners of the previous company - his sister owned the other company, I refused to work for them, even for more money.My brother who is a project engineer for Siemens was previously a engineer for ABB and also Arriva. ABB contracted the other place to make tanks for their switchgear at that location. I showed up in the middle of the winter and they were also burning salamanders inside of the building and were running a diesel powered crane inside of the building because their over head crane was broke. When they took me into the building where they tested the vessels that they were building, it had cement floors and heat. ( the main shop floor had dirt floors) I knew that ABB built the new building for them, I knew that the machined castings were made at Leiss tool and die and I knew that the aluminum castings came from Canada.So basically I knew all the middle men and the customer. The customer did not care that they had dirt floors of deplorable working conditions for their workers, all they cared about was getting the product as cheaply as possible.The only reason why they built the new building was because their welds were leaking and when you get out on the job its too late to do anything about it. So it was easier for them to assemble the product on site and check it for leaks before they shipped it then to find out that it leaked after they shipped it.For those of you who does not know what Leiss Tool and Die is - Leiss did the machine work for Emglo compressors and when Emglo went out of business they bought it lock stock and barrel. The compressors are now called Jenny - because Leiss also manufactures The Steam Jenny and owns several other companies. The owner of the company's name is Pete Leiss. http://www.leiss.com/
Reply:The local 55 Ironworkers here are hiring, as are the local 85 Boilermakers. Both have work lined up.The local 50 Pipefitters, and the local 33 Sheetmetal workers stay steady busy.Toledo is run by unions, due to the industry here.We have 3 major oil refineries, 2 nuke plants, an oil burner and a coal burner in the area that keep the halls busy.I won't mention all the local 12 UAW Chrysler/GM and tier 1 etc vendors since they're all fighting for scraps.To give you an idea though, all the medical/hospital union workers nurses/technical staff/maintenance are allpart of the local 12 UAW... don't think too hard it'll make your head hurt.If you're seriously looking for work, get in on a white ticket for the summer casino or the fall bridge projects.Last edited by Maedar; 06-29-2010 at 01:21 AM.CWI, CWE, CST for Miller, Lincoln, Thermadyne, Hypertherm & ESABMillermatic 350PLincoln Invertec 205 AC/DCVictor combo torchESAB PCM 1125
Reply:Hmmmm how easy we forget American history... Yes I know it says I am in NSW Australia but I am American through and through and proud of it *fife plays in background* Go look up the years when Teddy Roosevelt was president and had unions take over the mines, if it wasn't for the union America would have ground to a halt real fast... And quick little tid bit of history for you the Teddy bear was created and named after Teddy Roosevelt! And this comes from a 22 year old who has been in Australia for 16 or so years... There are pro's and cons to everything sometimes it pays to be union sometimes it don't I'm not union anymore but thats because I can't afford union fees and because I am happy on my own in welding but when I was a mechanic I was in a union and yes I got better pay and conditions but there were draw backs as well.... But ladies and gents lets stop this p!ssing contest and agree to disagree and just say ya know what f*ck it we are all humans we bleed the same and we need to band together to keep things working for EVERYONE whether they be union or non union! JMHO |
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