Stainless "Crash and Smash" Round 2..

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Whatelse was there to do?Alot of you wanted to see the inside..Etc.Etc.No problem..This was the way I did this today..Same SCH10 tubing..Same bevels..Same everything...This time I used 3 "subjects"The first one was just fused like the others BUT this time they went 2 times around in  the positioner..The second was fused 2 times and then filled once..The third was fused twice..Filled..Then Capped with a weave..All got the press treatment after they were cold..Lets see the results..Next......zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:As we can plainly see nothing gave way this time.. Fused only crushed..Fused only rear..Fused filled crushed..Fused filled rear..Next!.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Fused Filled Capped Crushed..Fused Filled Capped Crush rear..After that I decided to chop out the center of the fused only tube to have a looksee..Penetration..Next!.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:The end of the test results..I think its plenty strong..No backpurge either..On Jon K's turbo header I wii purge and fill but no capping will be needed.. Everyone happy now? ...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:The pieces are doing -much- better in the strength department now!  The welds didn't fail at that bend amount.The insides are now showing a little granulation/sugaring, indicating to me that a back-purge would be beneficial in helping the stainless steel remain stainless.  Especially in a usage case where the 'stainless' properties are needed, like in chemical or sanitary/food uses.  For less severe corrosion cases where some of the 'other' properties of stainless are taking more importance, like thermal characteristics, that level of sugaring may be acceptable.Again, thanks for the demonstration and pics!
Reply:Very interesting.Welding procedures are in place for a reason, though it can be argued at times these reasons are sometimes simply copying general practice.A record of these tests will instill client confidence and help in a formalized QA Statement.It would appear that your method is very suitable for the application at hand.But.....I notice in all your tests to destruction the force is applied externally.Would the welds act in a different way under extreme internal pressure? ie a high pressure heat exchanger? or a hydraulic line thingy ?(Yes I know thats not the application yours will be its more a Q for the Engineers out there)BrettA good guess is better than a bad measurement
Reply:Yes the welds would behave differently if the load was an internal pressure.  So would the original pipe/tube.But Zap doesn't have a hydrostatic test station and he does have a big press.
Reply:He's also not trying to get approval of a WPS...he was just attempting to console the naysayers...LOLAnything worth doing is worth doing RIGHT
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterI think its plenty strong..No backpurge either..On Jon K's turbo header I wii purge and fill but no capping will be needed.. Everyone happy now? ...zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by olddadHe's also not trying to get approval of a WPS...he was just attempting to console the naysayers...LOL
Reply:Looks like it to me Zap !! Although we both know it's doubtful, you've proven your point, time to ignore them now...lolAnything worth doing is worth doing RIGHT
Reply:Originally Posted by Jon KZap I am definitely happy - wow man.  Thanks a ton for the photos and explanation!!
Reply:I don't get why people fight online. I lose respect to it. Good job Zap. --Gol'
Reply:Originally Posted by Go1lumI don't get why people fight online. I lose respect to it. Good job Zap.
Reply:Looking good , good to see no breaking of the welds/tube.Shows that you don't need filler to make it strong and we didn't need back purge to get a strong weld.
Reply:Originally Posted by BikespotLooking good , good to see no breaking of the welds/tube.Shows that you don't need filler to make it strong and we didn't need back purge to get a strong weld.
Reply:good job zap ChuckASME Pressure Vessel welder
Reply:Once again, good demo, demonstration of welding and demolition.Thanks for taking the time to do this and show us.
Reply:I agree with Pulser and Chopper.  Good Job. Thanks a lot Zap. That had to take some time. I for one apreciate it.I did think that a full weld would be stronger. In this case it was, compared to the first welds you did in Round 1.mm135HTP Invertig 201 With water cooler9" Southbend LatheLots of hand tools.
Reply:Originally Posted by papasloanI agree with Pulser and Chopper.  Good Job. Thanks a lot Zap. That had to take some time. I for one apreciate it.I did think that a full weld would be stronger. In this case it was, compared to the first welds you did in Round 1.
Reply:Zap, 90+% of the stuff we do will ever see the full brutality it could withstand. My 2 cents is we all overweld everything, what you just showed is proof positive, of the strength of  "2 pieces of metal stuck together". My Grandfather and great uncle were both farmers/construction guys. If you saw the crap they melted(welded) together that is still arround, you would be astounded. Anyway nice job.Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:Yeah, good job and thank you.David Real world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:Anytime Guys!!  Sometimes you just gotta get off your a$$ and do it..Anyone else wanna try?????????? ...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:I got 2 batteries and a coathanger that say your on, LMAODisclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:Originally Posted by TozziWeldingI got 2 batteries and a coathanger that say your on, LMAONice job Zap, as usual.  What a great lesson by observation.  Obviously you live by the standard, "Don't let the bastards get you down".-my Dad is "Jose" so I guess it follows I'm Hose B...My play tools:1. an old Lincoln tombstone older than I am2. a little Lincoln wire feeder3. and my Dad's Pipeliner that's older than he is...
Reply:Nice demonstration Zap. You have one hell of a boss to let you F*** around so much.
Reply:I was happy to see Zap beating on something, great way to get the frustrations out. Thanks for the education, man you do nice work!If you don't want to stand behind our Troops, feel free to stand in front of them.
Reply:Originally Posted by BrettVery interesting.Welding procedures are in place for a reason, though it can be argued at times these reasons are sometimes simply copying general practice.A record of these tests will instill client confidence and help in a formalized QA Statement.It would appear that your method is very suitable for the application at hand.But.....I notice in all your tests to destruction the force is applied externally.Would the welds act in a different way under extreme internal pressure? ie a high pressure heat exchanger? or a hydraulic line thingy ?(Yes I know thats not the application yours will be its more a Q for the Engineers out there)Brett
Reply:I'm glad everyone has learned something here.. Time to put the fusion thing to rest..We still have the other pieces to chop and bandsaw... ...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterEveryone happy now? ...zap!
Reply:Inconel is a far cry from 304 stainless..Anyone knows that..Very hard..Used in severe applications..So whats your point?I dont see you or anyone else that has questions posting what you actually do either.. Your turn then..Weld some 304 and let us all see what you can do.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:i was 'joshing' with you, 'pulling your leg', 'having a laugh'. thought that was pretty clear with all the smileys.
Reply:Hotrodder, that motor is disgusting. Totally obscene. I'll take 2 please.And then, after so much work...... you have it in your hand, and you look over to your side...... and the runner has run off. Leaving you holding the prize, wondering when the runner will return.
Reply:I can't figure out wtf that aluminum thing is over the headers with wiggins clamps
Reply:Originally Posted by hotrodderi was 'joshing' with you, 'pulling your leg', 'having a laugh'. thought that was pretty clear with all the smileys.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterSorry I don't know a laugh when I read it..
Reply:Zap thanks for taking the time to follow up with the filled pipe. Whether you realize it or not the samples and explanations are very helpful. I wish I was a better welder and had the time to shoot photos of my work that others could learn from.  I too wish all the bickering and fighting would come to an end....thanks again for taking the time.MichaelMillermatic 25115" Rockwell Drill Press10" Logan Lathe5hp - 2-stage 80 Gallon CompressorHome Made Sand / Soda Blaster
Reply:Zap,If we had known you had that nice big press your vise might still be in one piece  To add one more thank you. My welding teacher was asked to make a wine rack for a retiring administrator. 36 1/8 x 1/2 stainless steel rings which I got to weld. Some of the tacks were a bit harsh so I hit both sides with 0.035 filler and had to build up a few sides but by the time I was to ring 12 or so there was very little to buff out!   I don't think I got quite as close as I could have but I think I was able to keep the tungsten within within 1/16th. I was shooting for a gap the size of the filler. The beads were not are nice as you showed at the last workshop but the pointers and weave did let me run nice beads at very low amps.Getting back to TIG from SMAW was a nice change but I have made a fair bit of progress with 6010 (Lincoln 5p) on nasty fit-up, vert up, and open roots. On to overhead...  I need to kick the stick and get back to TIG.Thanks again,Jim
Reply:Originally Posted by 383bigblockZap thanks for taking the time to follow up with the filled pipe. Whether you realize it or not the samples and explanations are very helpful. I wish I was a better welder and had the time to shoot photos of my work that others could learn from.  I too wish all the bickering and fighting would come to an end....thanks again for taking the time.Michael
Reply:Originally Posted by Jon KI can't figure out wtf that aluminum thing is over the headers with wiggins clamps
Reply:Just curious what would happen if you pressed directly on the welds? Would it hold up or would it tear??? We need another test
Reply:Originally Posted by WANNAWELDJust curious what would happen if you pressed directly on the welds? Would it hold up or would it tear??? We need another test