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Just a couple of small thingies..Fusion welded only..I'm zap and I approve this message.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Hey zap,Superb welds, as usual. Just wondering, since you did a fusion weld, it would appear the vertical piece is a bit softer than the horizontal piece and I don't see any undercutting at all. I like it. I, also, like to fusion TIG when I have a slight difference in the hardness of the separate materials. Do you eliminate or minimize any undercutting with like materials in hardness? Thanks bro'...... DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:Originally Posted by yorkiepapHey zap,Superb welds, as usual. Just wondering, since you did a fusion weld, it would appear the vertical piece is a bit softer than the horizontal piece and I don't see any undercutting at all. I like it. I, also, like to fusion TIG when I have a slight difference in the hardness of the separate materials. Do you eliminate or minimize any undercutting with like materials in hardness? Thanks bro'...... Denny
Reply:Originally Posted by yorkiepapHey zap,Superb welds, as usual. Just wondering, since you did a fusion weld, it would appear the vertical piece is a bit softer than the horizontal piece and I don't see any undercutting at all. I like it. I, also, like to fusion TIG when I have a slight difference in the hardness of the separate materials. Do you eliminate or minimize any undercutting with like materials in hardness? Thanks bro'...... Denny
Reply:Hey zap,Thanks.... I've had some very minimul undercutting a couple of times and the customer said he had no problem with it as they, also, weren't being used on heavy pressure or stress applications. Generally I like to add just a wee bit of filler for a real smooth finish & eliminate the u-c. I also use your technique with varying dia. rods to prebend.....works great once you get the "feel" of bend parameters.     DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:nice work man!did you fab all the piece?My Babies: HF Drill pressHF Pipe Bender3   4.5" Black and Decker angle grindersLincoln Electric PROMIG 175that´s it!
Reply:I don't agree with not using filler on a T joint. Yeah there may not be undercut but there is underfill. Not saying it won't work for it's intended purpose but i would just use some filler. Why didn't you use any filler zap? --Gol'
Reply:Originally Posted by Go1lumWhy didn't you use any filler zap?
Reply:Zap,Do you ever have to weld any really thin gauge sheet?  I spent today practicing welding 18 gauge stainless sheet; butt, T, lap, and outside corner joints.  Joints were done with and without filler(0.045" 308L rod).Any advice based on your experiences?
Reply:Sorry for sounding like a rookie but i am new to tig welding and still getting the hang of it. But what type of tungsten do you recommend for welding stainless. And off of the subject for this but what do u recommend for aluminum.                                    thanksmillermatic 210syncrowave 180 SDhypertherm 380craftsman buzzboxclarke drill press/bandsaw
Reply:I believe that with an inverter machine you use 2% thoriated for everything.  If you don't have an inverter machine 2% for the stainless and try pure tungsten for the aluminum.
Reply:Originally Posted by A_DAB_will_doZap,Do you ever have to weld any really thin gauge sheet? Any advice based on your experiences?
Reply:Originally Posted by brollinSorry for sounding like a rookie but i am new to tig welding and still getting the hang of it. But what type of tungsten do you recommend for welding stainless. And off of the subject for this but what do u recommend for aluminum.                                    thanks
Reply:i see u.c. it should be as stong as a true professional not an average personfusion means less heat and less penatration and more time than with out filler i think your showing off
Reply:Originally Posted by ed maci see u.c. it should be as stong as a true professional not an average personfusion means less heat and less penatration and more time than with out filler i think your showing off
Reply:NiceWhat are those for?Also , welding without filler is so much easier. Well that is what i find , i still haven't got the handle of using filler. Got to practise sometime.
Reply:I'm not sure but there will be a 1/4" shaft running between the 2 pieces..Nothing major..99% of the time I never see what I do do what it does.. ...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterI'm not sure but there will be a 1/4" shaft running between the 2 pieces..
Reply:Cool, thanks.  My instructors/school provide practice material that's about 1" wide by 4" long.  When it's that thin, it distorts like crazy.  Shorter arc lengths and fast travel definitely help.  What I'm hoping to hear from you or somebody else are suggestions on how to do these things without sticking the filler to the tungsten or the tungsten in the puddle.  It's not easy when the base metal is moving underneath your torch.Today we start welding titanium, and we'll get to use a back purge plate that can clamp the base metal in place.  I'm looking forward to this, as I think it's going to help.Dave Originally Posted by zapsterSheet? No not in a LONG time..But faster is better when doing small stuff..I'll see if we have any in stock and see what I come up with welding wise..But I'll have to get some .045 filler because all I have now is 1/16"...zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by maxyedorWell there's your weak point, that will crumple long before anything is going to happen to the two peices you welded together, why dink with filler when it adds nothing usefull?
Reply:Originally Posted by PropulsionI am new to this site and I do not want to offend anybody but so far I am alarmed and horrified by the statements and representations that have been made by people here. I have read everything from unsafe welding practices to inproper welding procedures. Please tell me that you were joking about the filler wire comment?
Reply:Originally Posted by pulserPro,go back a few months, this subject has been beat to death already.IMHO, filler vs autogenous must be determined by the service application, the joint design, the alloy, what the customer specifies, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by PropulsionI am new to this site and I do not want to offend anybody but so far I am alarmed and horrified by the statements and representations that have been made by people here. I have read everything from unsafe welding practices to inproper welding procedures. Please tell me that you were joking about the filler wire comment?
Reply:Originally Posted by PropulsionIts also irrelevant as I am not questioning filler vs autogenous, I am questioning how a welder decides filler is not needed for a application.
Reply:Are we about done here????????Look everyone..Its MY jobIt's My azz..It's My  decision that was talked over with the boss..I so happy everyone is so concerned about my health and job security..Makes me wanna    ...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.Originally Posted by pulserThanks for clarifying your original statement/question, I assumed you were questioning the autogenous weld, you were not clear.Now I'm confused .If you are still refering to the filler vs autogenous, or how a welder decides if filler is needed for an application, then I am telling you that the welder needs to do what has been specified by his customer, and if no specification has been provided then the customer will get what ever the welder feels like giving him.Now, I am telling you that there may be situations where it is acceptable and safe to weld in my speedo swim suit.  IMO these situations would include many of the non-arc/non-spark/non-UV processes, such as resistance upset welding and electron beam welding, but only in the privacy of my own shop.  Note:  I realize you were refering to Zap's comment on using UV blocker SPF-xx while TIG welding, but you were not specific in your comment, so you got this weiss beer response.  Sorry again, no breaks.
Reply:Uhhhhhhh ....   zippy?????  nobody here really gives a crap what you do, or whatever risks you are willing to take for your goal of comfort  (welding in short-sleeves and shorts, or naked if that's what gets you off) ...  But you are presenting a bunch of half-assed jobs, and half-assed personal protection, like it's the standard in the industry,,,,  when in most cases these things you are presenting (especially the sunscreen and shorts) will get any real employee fired RIGHT NOW!!!!  OSHA takes a dim view of much of what you're posting, and the MSHA is even worse ....  and it doesn't matter how much a guy's boss likes him ......
Reply:And if the welder isn't in the field, and actually sees the application, he ALWAYS does a complete, code-type job.  Hard experience here, you never take anybody's word for it, to do a sub-standard job.  If you do, you might as well be a monkey ......
Reply:And now for something completely different.............Last edited by Burnit; 06-22-2008 at 01:14 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by BurnitAnd now for something completely different.............
Reply:AMEN!!!DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:This is very amusing to type the least!I know everyone has opinion..There's nothing wrong with that..But when you do it for a long long  time..You can determine what can and can't be done per application..I determined what I did from seat time..Now go get yours.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterThis is very amusing to type the least!I know everyone has opinion..There's nothing wrong with that..But when you do it for a long long  time..You can determine what can and can't be done per application..I determined what I did from seat time..Now go get yours.....zap!
Reply:Hey Propulsion,This post is getting a bit off tangent as far as comments & generalizations are concerned. One's safety is determined by his/her choices and decisions made. Safety in the workplace is a priority of 99% of companies because of liability & lost time. Those who work independently, do not adhere to the rules & regs. of company policy and therefore must take responsibility for their own actions. Personally, I love every part of my body, and in 44 yrs. of welding, I have taken the necessary steps & precautions to keep it in tact. Simple common sense. That's my choice. Others don't...that's their choice. You gotta accept and live with the results of your choices & decisions. JMHO......  DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterBecause it's not needed and the boss OK'd it..If it was something that was gonna get the crap kik'd out of it on a regular basis then yeah I'd have run some filler..But with whats basically an "ornament" how strong does it have to be?I think the original pieces were just glued Delrin.....zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by yorkiepapHey Propulsion,This post is getting a bit off tangent as far as comments & generalizations are concerned. One's safety is determined by his/her choices and decisions made. Safety in the workplace is a priority of 99% of companies because of liability & lost time. Those who work independently, do not adhere to the rules & regs. of company policy and therefore must take responsibility for their own actions. Personally, I love every part of my body, and in 44 yrs. of welding, I have taken the necessary steps & precautions to keep it in tact. Simple common sense. That's my choice. Others don't...that's their choice. You gotta accept and live with the results of your choices & decisions. JMHO......  Denny
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