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My father has a small tractor with a loader. It needs to be able to run the bucket, a snow plow, and forks up front. I'm thinking the best approach would be to build my own quick attach system for all three of these things. As is right now, I have to adapt the bucket to accomodate the forks and snowplow. Which means the bucket is always on even with forks or plow. It would be easier to run if I could take everything off. What are peoples' thoughts. I know the quick attach system would be better in the long run, but it will cost more to put together. Buying a setup all set to go is going to be too pricey, plus the loader only has a capacity of about 850 lbs. I don't know of any quick attach setups that are rated for something that light. Appreciate any thoughts, thanks, nick.
Reply:Check this site for ideas for a quick attach setup . It was recently discussed.http://www.machinebuilders.net/forum...?TID=3627&PN=1
Reply:Like this one? It's a homegrown unit on my JD 400 which is a little smaller than yours.I copied the Deere coupler on their newer tractors. As you're probably aware, the further you get off the pivot the less you can lift. I was able to keep this one to just about an inch further than it was stock. Attached ImagesLast edited by Alan N; 01-18-2008 at 02:43 PM.
Reply:Here's the forks I made to go on it. Attached Images
Reply:Snow blade that needs to get cut down a little, that's a 6'8" Sno-Way blade that I had kicking around. A little too big, tractor does OK on a straight push but it steers the tractor when it's angled. Attached Images
Reply:Keep em coming. Good stuff
Reply:We bought a New Holland TL90 a few years ago 2000-2003? and it came with the same type of quick-tach that all skid steers use. Pretty handy being able to use all the different types of skid steer attachments on a regular tractor.
Reply:I've seen and used the John Deere tractor style and the common skid loader type quick connects and I think I'd have to vote for the skid type for all around compatability and for strength. One of the machines that I have on every job is a CAT 248 skid and I've seen the quick coupling with a bucket lift one end of a ten ton roller two feet off the ground. No problem, very strong.Probably a bit more involved to fab up, but very versatile.
Reply:I'm into it. I have a friend with a Kubota tractor with the skid steer type hookup. I'm going to check out the setup and see if I can copy it at all, or at least get close. I have a question about forks. I need pallet forks and forks that can lift piles of brush. for the piles of brush longer forks would be useful and I don't mind making them myself. I'm a little hesitant to make pallet forks though. Seems that all the ones I have seen are one solid piece that has been bent. Almost look forged. Aren't those types stronger than just welding two pieces together? Should I worry about the strength of them?
Reply:I didn't need a lot of fork length or strength with the capacity of my loader being only 600 lbs to full height. I made my forks out of 1 x2 hot rolled bar and welded them to shape. So far so good, but I also avoid trying to pick anything heavy with the tips. They are also just 30" long. My most common use is unloading barrels of liquid deicer out of a pickup, 55 gallons at 10.5 lbs/gal so they are adequate for that.I didn't want to go the skid steer plate just because it would add so much dead weight, cutting down on capacity. Looked into using a mini-skid loader plate but that was far narrower than the boom arms and would have required additional framing, again adding weight that did no good.The system I copied wouldn't be ideal if I was swapping constantly but that is not the case, I might swap between bucket and forks a couple times in an afternoon.For my use this is adequate, although I may remodel it and end up with hydraulic uncoupling at some point in the future. My next attachment is going to be a grapple that I can use with the forks to grab brush by the bundle. I have wet lines up the boom, one set for now, will have two in the future. The wet lines currently angle the sweeper and snow blade and will be used for chute rotation and deflector up/down on a snowblower that I got to mount on the loader arms and drive off the power unit I use to run the sweeper. They will also close the grapple, which I hope to start on next week, if it's not too cold in the great outdoor shop.
Reply:Originally Posted by Alan NI didn't need a lot of fork length or strength with the capacity of my loader being only 600 lbs to full height. I made my forks out of 1 x2 hot rolled bar and welded them to shape. So far so good, but I also avoid trying to pick anything heavy with the tips. They are also just 30" long. My most common use is unloading barrels of liquid deicer out of a pickup, 55 gallons at 10.5 lbs/gal so they are adequate for that.I didn't want to go the skid steer plate just because it would add so much dead weight, cutting down on capacity. Looked into using a mini-skid loader plate but that was far narrower than the boom arms and would have required additional framing, again adding weight that did no good.The system I copied wouldn't be ideal if I was swapping constantly but that is not the case, I might swap between bucket and forks a couple times in an afternoon.For my use this is adequate, although I may remodel it and end up with hydraulic uncoupling at some point in the future. My next attachment is going to be a grapple that I can use with the forks to grab brush by the bundle. I have wet lines up the boom, one set for now, will have two in the future. The wet lines currently angle the sweeper and snow blade and will be used for chute rotation and deflector up/down on a snowblower that I got to mount on the loader arms and drive off the power unit I use to run the sweeper. They will also close the grapple, which I hope to start on next week, if it's not too cold in the great outdoor shop.
Reply:NickKent,It's a very cost effective projectYou can add more attachments, and use them with future machines. For your size coupler, you should probably pattern after the universal design, with a lightened yet compatible version.The universal style was originally the Bobcat design. Because of it's popularity, you're bound to find deals on blanks and attachments. They're everywhere.I heard that Bobcat placed their coupler design in the public domain, and that's what allowed it to become so popular. Maybe it was a salesman's line, I don't know for sure.For a light coupler, a simple top pick-up could be two angle irons that nest.For the bottom, Alan N's seems simple enough.If you decide to build your own, keep these points in mind:Minimum extension from original pinning.Visibility through or around coupler.Easy, self aligning pickup and drop, without need for prying or heavy tools.Twist resistance, against extreme concentrated side loads; such as chain hooking.Simple to build blanks, with minimal wear areas.One of my winter projects, -that I'm not getting to very fast- is some coupler work. When it gets serious I'll start a thread, meanwhile here are a few pics. This is my all time favorite coupler for larger machines, it was one tough design. Trouble is the manufacturer changed it! This one has been tortured for probably 15 years.Attachment 15747The couplers are coveted; I haven't had to resort to cloning yet, but I thought about it! This ones waiting for the time to install it.Attachment 15748Blanks are no big deal; this is a template that I use as a pattern for cutting blanks out of 2" plate. Attachment 15749A bucket blank, ready to weld!Attachment 15750Last edited by denrep; 09-08-2008 at 12:05 PM.
Reply:Just a side note. A lot of times I noted that people do not know how to use an emergency over pack drum. They are really great too.I have seen guys knock over the leaking 55 gallon drum and try to put the overpack drum onto it while it is laying down. But the proper procedure is to put the 85 gallon overpack over the vertical leaking 55 gallon drum, with the overpack being upside down. Knock over both drums and stand-up the overpack that now has the 55 gallon drum contained neatly inside. I would definitely have one on a farm if I had chemicals around. The 85 gallon over pack is an open top drum that allows you to remove the whole top of the drum. The when you are done you can seal it with the metal ring and gasket, tightened with a 1/2" or 5/8" bolt. We used to use speed wrenches to tighten them up. When tightening open top drums it is customary to tap the lid downwards while tightening the ring that seals the drum. It allows the gasket to compress and really make a tight seal for long over the road trips. Sincerely, William McCormickLast edited by William McCormick Jr; 01-19-2008 at 09:08 PM.
Reply:Check out budgetforklifts.com for all types of fork attachments and for forks, they even have plain fork blanks with no mounts that you can fab up. 2000# capacity price out around $140.00 and you can build your own mounts."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251 Syncrowave 300 30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200 1 short hood SA250 SAM 400
Reply:I just tried that "budgetforklifts.com" and all I got was a muddle of links to other suppliers, and none real relevant.
Reply:Alan, try www.budgetforklift.com
Reply:Thanks, Nick! I looked at their listings, even their smallest forks are bigger than what I would need. Lots of neat toys there though.
Reply:right. Lots of toys with a price tag to go with them.
Reply:Well, I did some digging today. While the skid steer hookup would be nice to have I don't think it is going to be worth my time and effort to fab something like the skid steep hookup to work on my tractor. I just don't think the tractor has the capacity for skid steer type stuff. I did price out a small pallet fork with frame that has a Toro- Dingo style quick coupler on it. 900 lbs capacity 42" forks. $500 delivered. I think I might be better off just buying a set of blank forks and building a frame for the forks and coming up with my own coupler. I think I could get the forks together with frame for under $500. Maybe not by the time I'm all said and done. Damn those larger toys get pricey fast.
Reply:I bought a Kubota BX24 which is in the words of Harvey Lacy is as handy an a pocket on a shirt. I have discovered a site that you might like.www.tractorbynet.com
Reply:With only 850lbs per pair working load capacity, you could fab some light weight tines fairly easy. Especially if you could still fork the load with a slightly taller vertical fork section.I still like the idea of a lightened up version of the universal coupler.
Reply:Right. The loader is rated for 800 lbs, but it will lift more than that. Probably not full height but I'm pretty sure it will lift more. I'm pretty set on using forged forks as I think they will be stronger than anything I could make. I'm not worried about building the frame piece, just not sure I can get the forks and frame together for less than $500. I think if I just get a blank frame with forks no mount on it, I could get it for $400. I'll have to think this through.
Reply:Originally Posted by riley mcmillanI bought a Kubota BX24 which is in the words of Harvey Lacy is as handy an a pocket on a shirt. I have discovered a site that you might like.www.tractorbynet.com
Reply:Being in the snow belt, contractors around here have refined the fine art of snow removal. For large lots front end loaders are always used, they keep the bucket on but don't use it for the light stuff. Instead they run the bucket right into a frame on a much wider plow/pusher. they can quickly get rid of the large pusher when needed to handle the heavy stuff.So what I'd do is look at how these pushers are attached to the buckets. See if something can be adapted for your blade. It will be a very handy combination to have once you get use to the idea. You end up with the best of both worlds, push the snow fast and lift and transport when needed. The lift and transport can be a life saver when you have snow to hard and high to be pushed.This doesn't solve your fork lift problems but then again you don't have a lot of capacity to get to worried about it. You could go with bucket mounted forks which will work OK but the bucket is a big pain with respect to visibility. If you have the time I'd simply build a fork frame to mount on the end of the arms and swap bucket and forks as needed. Here you simply copy the existing bucket mounting points.Dave |
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