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Well I started to lay out some of the pieces for a cart for the Powermax 350 and I got rained-in. That's right, rained-in seeing as the new work bench is STILL out on the shop apron waiting for a thicker top. I guess I should just go ahead and move it in until I find something but...Anyway, back on topic. I've got my neighbor's second generator in the shop that hadn't been running right for a long time and also has a broken kill switch. I brought it in a few weeks ago and quickly discovered the poor running problem that turned out to be a disconnected choke return spring allowing the choke to partially close causing a rich fuel mixture and erratic operation. To make matters worse, the plastic choke shaft lever is broken preventing the choke from closing when the run/choke lever is moved to the CHOKE position so I have to figure a way to fix that if I can.In the meantime I decided to put a set of wheels on it so he doesn't have to drag it around with the thick rope he had tied to the frame. The wheels are recycled from an engineless mower deck that are the perfect size. I used the same basic method as the previous generator running gear except these wheels use the original axle bolts instead of a common axle for each pair as is the case with the other one. So no big deal and quick little project but hey, it's one that involed welding and as such was fun.MM200High #1 (20 volts)WFS 48%C-25 @ 25cfhGenerator frame getting prepared for axle bolt brackets. That's the unit on the floor.Close up of one of the axle bolt brackets.All four axle bolt brackets welded to frame.All four wheels installed.Frame upright and on all fours.Thanks for looking.Last edited by duaneb55; 02-14-2009 at 10:11 PM.Reason: Added welding parametersMM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Good job, Duane. Hope you have some luck w/ the choke problem. If they keep going these small engines are gonna be all plastic. It's no wonder they don't last anymore. MikeOl' Stonebreaker "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Duane.........................At what point do you consider disposing of a pencil??????It's truly a wonderful thing how the MIG handles thin metal. It really looks good.And what?...... NO STEERABLE FRONT END?????? YOU'RE SLIPPIN'Last edited by farmersamm; 02-14-2009 at 10:37 PM.Reason: no reason, didn't edit geesh"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammDuane.........................At what point do you consider disposing of a pencil??????
Reply:That's called skid-steer!City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:Originally Posted by tanglediverThat's called skid-steer!
Reply:Either you're gonna run out of wheels or the neighbor is going to run out of generators. Which is first? You did him a good job there.
Reply:Originally Posted by SandyEither you're gonna run out of wheels or the neighbor is going to run out of generators. Which is first? You did him a good job there.
Reply:hey duane is that a briggs and straton engine on that genarator if u get me some part numbers and serial numbers i can get u some brake downs and u can find a lawn mower repair shop they should have all the replacement parts u should need i am surprised that the choke was not metal was it the one on the carb or the actual controler let me know i work for a small repair shop in chino cali i can email what ever you need btw nice job if you dont mind i am going to steal the idea and modify it a littlelater agwelderold skool idealarc welderEsab multi tool Milwauake 7inch angle grinder the best of all tho the oxyacceteline set up
Reply:Originally Posted by agwelder_dalhey duane is that a briggs and straton engine on that genarator if u get me some part numbers and serial numbers i can get u some brake downs and u can find a lawn mower repair shop they should have all the replacement parts u should need i am surprised that the choke was not metal was it the one on the carb or the actual controler let me know i work for a small repair shop in chino cali i can email what ever you need btw nice job if you dont mind i am going to steal the idea and modify it a littlelater agwelder
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammDuane.........................At what point do you consider disposing of a pencil??????
Reply:no problem duane always happy to helpold skool idealarc welderEsab multi tool Milwauake 7inch angle grinder the best of all tho the oxyacceteline set up
Reply:Originally Posted by agwelder_dalno problem duane always happy to help
Reply:Is that the same company that makes paint guns?"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Another of duanne's recycle projects rebuilding a generator, building a wheeled cart, and using a pencil until he can no longer fit it into the pencil sharper Oh yeah Happy BirthdayCo-Own CNC shop:Miller :1251 plasma cutter, MaxStar 700 TIG/Stick, & XMT 456 Multiprocess Welder.& 2 Hypertherm HPR260's Plasma CutterSorry I had a bad stroke but now I am back.
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammIs that the same company that makes paint guns?
Reply:Originally Posted by Craig in DenverHAPPY BIRTHDAY DUANE!!!
Reply:I've talked to some guys around here, and they swear that the smaller generators run forever on a tank of gas.That damn Koehler in the Ranger eats, EATS, gas. I bet two smaller generators would use less gas than the engine drive pulling the same combined wattage. Weird"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:If I had to guess it's like a starter/generator. Bear with me.You can have a powerful starter or a high output generator but put them both together and the best you'll get is an average starter/generator.Or you can have a combo unit that is a better than average starter but less than average generator.And then you can have one that is a less than average starter but better than average generator.Can't save your cake and eat it too.Take that to a welder/generator and you pretty much get the same thing and being a welder first the driver is sized for that requirement rather than the generator and as such it's not as efficient on fuel as a comparably sized generator only that has its driver properly sized for the rated generator output. I could be off but that's how I see and understand it.In addition, running a 12K generator at half capacity will drink more bug juice than a 6K at full load due to the efficiency factors of each driver.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by agwelder_dalno problem duane always happy to help
Reply:The new choke shaft assembly arrived from B&S on Thursday this week via USPS and I got it installed this morning along with a new ignition kill switch. Put everything back together and reinstalled the engine/generator on the frame and waited for the epoxy to cure that I applied to a couple seam cracks in the plastic gas tank before I got started on the choke shaft and ignition switch.As with many "Made In U.S.A." products components, note the "Made In Mexico" on the packaging. If made in the US I'd guess the part would have cost 2-3 times or more the $3.85 I paid.Kit included new shaft/lever, return spring, choke plate and foam filter.Shaft/lever assembly installed and read for final reassembly.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:You'd think I've been around the block enough times to realize if your 'gut' is telling you something you should listen.While waiting for the epoxy to cure enough to reinstall the plastic gas tank on my neighbor's generator I took it for a test spin around the yard and across the patio. In doing so my original concerns regarding the lighter 1/8" angle iron and lack of a full width axle shaft for the wheels proved to be correct and one of the angles bent leaving the wheel tilted at a significant angle.So back over to the shop and after pulling the unit back off the frame I set about installing the gussets that I thought about incorporating in the design in the first place but simply chose not to.In keeping with my recycle mentality that says "don't throw anything away... yet" I prepared 8 gussets from pieces cut from of the mitered angles used for the 180 SD shelves... ...and welded them in place to prevent a reoccurrence of the tilt-a-wheel syndrome.As with the other generator running gear, my neighbor was as pleased with the results as I am.Anybody need a good used ceiling fan that was removed during a remodel?MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:helluva job duanneLincoln 255XT Power Mig Lincoln Precision Tig 225Hypertherm Powermax 30
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55While waiting for the epoxy to cure enough to reinstall the plastic gas tank on my neighbor's generator I took it for a test spin around the yard and across the patio.
Reply:Duane:I wondered about that in my subconscious mind. Thanks for the follow-up. We all get better here. As far as throwing away useful material: If I can't wear a shirt anymore, it's outta here. But there's no way I'll throw away a piece of steel. I just made a simple rod holder for class with shop scrap. There's nowhere to put our cut filler at the end of class. So, I took a piece of 3/4" square square tubing, 7" long, welded a 'foot' on it and used a radiator hose clamp to fasten it (vertically) to the conduit feeding my station outlet box. Now I have a square tube to stick my cut filler into. 9-11-2001......We Will Never ForgetRetired desk jockey. Hobby weldor with a little training. Craftsman O/A---Flat, Vert, Ovhd, Horz. Miller Syncrowave 250kool ur welcome sorry for not getting back to ya duane i was actuilly thinking of the part number the other day i have gotten some many of those from our spring order a couple of weeks ago if u ever need any more help dont hesitate to shoot me a pm i try to check every day yea normally those guys jack up the price on shipping hey take it easy duane and happy balated birthdayagwelderold skool idealarc welderEsab multi tool Milwauake 7inch angle grinder the best of all tho the oxyacceteline set up
Reply:Originally Posted by SandyExplain that one to the neighbors. I mean, how many people you know that take generators for a test drive?
Reply:I had a similar, but not identical, problem when I built the cart for my first crackerbox.The wheels were bolt on without a thu axle, and they always rubbed against the cart because the bolts allowed them to bowleg. I never fixed it until I got the new crackerbox, and had to take the old one off to mount the new one. I finally bought some pnooooooomatic tires and mounted them on an axle. Now I'm thinkin' radial tires would be the bomb"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Originally Posted by Craig in DenverDuane:I wondered about that in my subconscious mind. Thanks for the follow-up. We all get better here.
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55Just some two part stuff (black & white compounds) from the auto parts store that I have in the toolbox. Would have to look at it to give any details.
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammNow I'm thinkin' radial tires would be the bomb
Reply:The Escalade of weldin' carts"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Now I'm even more curious. Did the 1/8" angle itself, bend? Or did the welds pull out of the thin tubing of the original frame? Nice gussets, regardless. (Which is probably the answer. If the tubing had torn (my original thought), the gussets would serve no purpose.)9-11-2001......We Will Never ForgetRetired desk jockey. Hobby weldor with a little training. Craftsman O/A---Flat, Vert, Ovhd, Horz. Miller Syncrowave 250
Reply:if the design had used a single rod as axle for 2 wheels, it seems like there would be less moment to bend the angles. maybe thats why some devices come with one bar for two wheels..cheaper than cutting/welding 4 gussets..?
Reply:Originally Posted by Craig in DenverNow I'm even more curious. Did the 1/8" angle itself, bend? Or did the welds pull out of the thin tubing of the original frame? Nice gussets, regardless. (Which is probably the answer. If the tubing had torn (my original thought), the gussets would serve no purpose.)
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55 1/8" angle itself bent due to the leverage advantage of the wheel and axle bolt. No problem with the tubing whatsoever Craig.
Reply:Personally I would have used a Hendrickson"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Originally Posted by Craig in DenverMaybe you need to fabricate a suspension?
Reply:Originally Posted by SandyNo biggy. I don't have a real need right now. Just always curious as to what folks use that actually adheres to plastics.
Reply:say Magnetic how do you like that plastic welder. I have seen them before elsewhere in a welder supply catalog but it was an expensive lil unit.Looks like it welds using hot compressed air and plastic rods.Co-Own CNC shop:Miller :1251 plasma cutter, MaxStar 700 TIG/Stick, & XMT 456 Multiprocess Welder.& 2 Hypertherm HPR260's Plasma CutterSorry I had a bad stroke but now I am back.
Reply:Absolutly correct.For a cheap $30 unit It works well once you get it adjusted. Have repaired several auto door panels(inside), built a cat climber thing out PVC pipe, and my son fixed the plastic duct work for directing chips to the collector on his wood plane.And the plastic pool my dogs use as a water bowl.Last edited by Magnetic Mechanic; 02-23-2009 at 11:44 PM.Reason: forgotA butterfly without wings, is just an ugly bug
Reply:And yes, that is the one I used to layout the axle bolt brackets. Theres a few projects left in that 'ol #2.Duane I bet you sharpened that pencil with your grinder. Attached ImagesA butterfly without wings, is just an ugly bug
Reply:Originally Posted by Magnetic MechanicAnd yes, that is the one I used to layout the axle bolt brackets. Theres a few projects left in that 'ol #2.Duane I bet you sharpened that pencil with your grinder.
Reply:To short for a pencil sharpener - offset cone - wide angle.And the last one done with a pocket knife?A butterfly without wings, is just an ugly bug
Reply:Duane,If you had some small pieces of square tube, you could have drilled a hole through the tube and then welded the tube to the generator frame tube. Built-in gussets and so forth. More than one way to skin a cat. Your fix seems fine. Not what a production run would use, but you were 'playing' so I guess labor time doesn't count, eh? But I guess this way you found a use for those small triangle off-cuts you had. re: the epoxy repair of the gas tank. You have to get the epoxy to stick to the plastic tank AND you have to get the epoxy to not dissolve or soften from the gasoline. Maybe you lucked out in the goop you used. My luck with epoxying plastic is hit-or-miss lately. Than again, some of the stuff I tried to epoxy back together tried to stand up to my 5 year old. Sometimes I think he could break an anvil.Magnetic,I'm still trying to get the hang of that H-F hot air squirter. It seems to work fine, but the plastic I tried to mend pretty much just globbed and melted and I couldn't really seem to get any of the filler rods to bond. It was probably just an 'unweldable' plastic alloy. Any hints you have on using it? The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55How'd you guess MM?I actually broke out a 'new' one for plasma cart.
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonRiseMagnetic,I'm still trying to get the hang of that H-F hot air squirter. It seems to work fine, but the plastic I tried to mend pretty much just globbed and melted and I couldn't really seem to get any of the filler rods to bond. It was probably just an 'unweldable' plastic alloy. Any hints you have on using it?
Reply:MM,That's pretty much how I did it. Sort of like TIG or O/A welding, except with a hot-air nozzle instead of a flame or arc and a plastic filler rod instead of a metal one.I could have just been the scrap plastic I tried it on. Unknown 'alloy' and such. Didn't feel motivated at the time to scrounge up a 'real' piece of PVC and use the PVC filler rod. Maybe next time I'll do that. Maybe if we post enough, Duane will come back and check his thread and see where it has wandered off to, or been hijacked to. The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:He probably won't be back until he gets all of his pencils sharpenedA butterfly without wings, is just an ugly bug
Reply:There's different rods for different types of plastics"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/ |
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