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I got a Arc welder from my friend's dad, they were cleaning out there garage and he found his old one and he knows I like to weld and things so he gave it to me for free. Its a Montgomery Ward Powr Kraft arc, there is no amp adjustment just a on off switch. There are 2 handles for carbon arc something, and the ground is on the back on one for regular arc. Here are some pics of it
Reply:Wow - that is an oldie! Looks like she'll still fire up. That is an unusual method for a stinger - put it in the hole and clamp her down. We used to have a Montgomery Ward 5 blocks from us...very cool!John - fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!- bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:WoW!!!Thats really old.. Love the size of the ground alligator clamp.. Thats a real oldie there.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Still should be good tho. what type of rod should I use? 6011?
Reply:Yepper - 6011 for practice. I can't imagine that thing having much power. It looks like it says 50 amps? So a 3/32 rod max! If it's AC you can use a 6013 and it will have more room. Those are ~40 amp minimum.John - fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!- bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:It says use smaller rod for more penetration, 1/16" for up to 1/4", 5/64" for medium and 3/32 for the thinnest. Newbe question Say if I was welding on my go kart, could I lean on the kart or would I get shocked if I had the ground on properly.
Reply:Well, if you're wearing proper safety equipment and your welding gloves, it won't matter, right? No, you won't get shocked.John - fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!- bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:That's an old carbon rod welder. You'll just about have to google "carbon arc welding" for info on that thing, doubt if many here have ever used or even seen one of those before !! Looks like it's in great shape for it's age...nice find !!Anything worth doing is worth doing RIGHT
Reply:Look at this set of messages about carbon arc.The message #18 shows how to build a holder that looks like a better design then the ones they used to sell.http://www.weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread...ghlight=carbon
Reply:That does not look like fun to use...Me!
Reply:Josh you should be able to find 1/16'' and 5/64'' ac rod for that about anywhere, even Wal-Mart has it in the Campell Hausfeld brand.If you don't like the set screw on the holder I think you could find a small amp modern type electrode holder for it. pro-level dumpster diver Hobart 125EZ
Reply:Originally Posted by stevinatorJosh you should be able to find 1/16'' and 5/64'' ac rod for that about anywhere, even Wal-Mart has it in the Campell Hausfeld brand.If you don't like the set screw on the holder I think you could find a small amp modern type electrode holder for it.
Reply:Josh, you need to bring both the ground and stinger holder in contact with some body part in order to get bitten. Let's say you have one hand on your gocart frame and you touch the rod tip or exposed metal stinger holder with the other. The gocart frame is grounded by the welder's ground clamp and your hand is on it. With the other hand you make contact with the rod, you're contacting both sides of the output of your welder with your bare body parts. ZAP!! Bluejeans and gloves and good longsleeve shirts. Dampness plays in there too. Enough dampness will make even cotton jeans conduct. I welded on a ladder under an overhang in a rainstorm once. I wasn't getting any direct rain but some splatter and mainly just watersoaked air. I found myself getting zapped through the gloves and even the flux on the rod every time I had to change rods. I really dreaded renewing the rods. Put some tape on that electrode holder till you can get a good unit from Tractor Supply or somewhere like that. I think their's was about twenty bucks several years ago when I bought one. One of these guys may have an old one they don't need. If I did it would be yours. Glad to see ya getting hooked on welding. It ain't a bad thing to know how to do.Sidenote: If you lived closer to me, you'd have a pretty good old Hobart crackerbox. I was in the process of finding a home for an old friend of mine I've had over fifteen years and has always done a wonderful job for me when I read your first post. I really wanted to send it to ya but the shipping would have prohibited it. I gave it to a young fireman fellow who also is doing a startup home ranch and his Lincoln tombstone fried. He was a happy feller when I helped him load it into his truck. I knew you'd find something local to you. You seem to display some perseverance and passion and that is one of several ingredients you have to posses in order to do anything well.
Reply:I went to Lowes to today and got some 6011 1/8", a new holder, and a new shade for my helmet #10. All together it was like $25.Thanks for the offer Beezer, but as you said the shipping is crazy. I am hopefully get a job this summer as a pipe fitter or iron worker apprenticeship. Hopefully I will get the 220 in my garage and get a buzz box. The Hobart Cracker box is like a Lincoln buzzbox?
Reply:Josh the 1/8'' rod probably won't work for you, if you haven't opened it save it and get your money back.My little 110 stick welder will just barely burn 3/32'' and not good.But 1/16'' and 5/64'' in 6011 or 6013 should work.pro-level dumpster diver Hobart 125EZ
Reply:Here are some pics-
Reply:Cool stuff.. are we welding yet?MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Originally Posted by DesertRider33Cool stuff.. are we welding yet?
Reply:Good news is it works! Bad news is it is hard. I keep getting the rod stuck to the metal. Lots more practice to do
Reply:Here are picsThe rod kept getting stuck, I only tried it for a few mins then I had to go. Thats me!
Reply:Josh I gotta go too now, but you might be sticking too much because of the rod size. Try the 1/16'' and 5/64'' rods and you will have better luck.Try to drag and start like a farmers match and when the arc starts lift a little and try to maintain a gap about the size of the rod you are using and the rod should stay lit for you.You'll get it.pro-level dumpster diver Hobart 125EZ
Reply:Glad it arc's for ya. Is that metal galvanized or coated? If so, grind off the coating before welding on it. Good luck with the welder!MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:That's looks like some plated material. That adds a small difficulty factor. With those rods (that size) you're going to need to waste some pratice metal. Drag quick just to make arcs and sparks. Get a feel for it. Next trip slow it down just a tad and so-on till you find that itty bitty sweet spot. Won't be very wide.
Reply:You need smaller rods to match the amp output of the machine. 1/16" should work fine. If you are welding plated metal especialy galvanized have lots of fresh air or you will regret the day you were born. Try to grind off the coating or better yet go to a scrap yard or local fab shop and get some plain steel to play and leave the zink poisoning risk to a real repair. Trust me been there 3 times and never again. (I work for myself now and no retarded boss to force me to weld in an unsafe manner). Good luck Steel Thunder Welding LLC. St. Thomas VI USAMM350PBOBCAT 3MAXSTAR 150 STH375 EXTREME PLASMA6.5 HP COMPRESORDEWALT 18, 24, AND 36 VOLTO/A TORCH SETAND SO MUCH MORE I DONT REMEMBERALL IN MY 2005 2500HD EXTENDED CAB L/B
Reply:The steel says no coating on it, but I wondered why it wouldnt rust, I am guessing zinc? As far as the galv, I never go near the stuff, if I have to I have plenty of air, I like my lungs. I do have some regular mild steel, about 30' but I have to clean it so that is why I grabbed that. I am going to HD tomorrow and see if they have the size rod, Lowes doesn't have crap. Thanks for the helpJosh our Home Depot doesn't have it that small either.Go to a WalMart or Tractor Supply if you have one.They got it and so does Harbor freight but I have never tried theirs.pro-level dumpster diver Hobart 125EZ
Reply:HD did have some 3/32 rods, still working on it, the rod keeps sticking and one the occasional time I get the arc it wont stay. Still need a lot more practice.
Reply:Josh it is still probably rod size.My 110 stick welder will barely run 3/32'' with the selector on high.I can only burn sheet metal together with that rod.Mine only recommends 1/16'' and 5/64''.The smaller rod will make that machine work.I forgot the ace hardware down the street has forney rod in those sizes and it works well too.Wal Mart has cambell hausfeld and it works well.Last edited by stevinator; 01-12-2008 at 09:42 PM.pro-level dumpster diver Hobart 125EZ
Reply:I got some 3/32 rod, same thing. I did order some 1/16 and 5/64 rod from sears but it hasent come in yet. Here some pics-Couldn't find my wire bush to clean it.
Reply:How high above the metal are you holding the rod after you get the initial arc?John - fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!- bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Like 1/16" or so, I cant keep it going long enough to adjust it. Hopefully it will work better once I get smaller rods
Reply:I bought a box of 1/16" 6013 rods from HF and they weld well at the 25-35 amp range. I'm pretty sure the problem you're having is the rod size is just too much for the machine's capacity. That little machine is gonna be a good one for you to start with but you'll soon need to upgrade as it's abilities are limited and you'll soon grow out of it. For what you're doing right now with it, and especially for learning, 6013's would be a lot easier rod than 6011's. I know the old time welder guys don't usually think too much about 6013's but I've successfully used them for about thirty years for all sorts of general mild steel welding with NO failures and they are a hell of a lot easier than the 6011. The old strength and penetration argument just don't hold water with me. Three decades and thousands of much better looking welds is all the proof I need. Just think of all the money I've saved in grinding disks alone.
Reply:Originally Posted by BeezerI bought a box of 1/16" 6013 rods from HF and they weld well at the 25-35 amp range. I'm pretty sure the problem you're having is the rod size is just too much for the machine's capacity. That little machine is gonna be a good one for you to start with but you'll soon need to upgrade as it's abilities are limited and you'll soon grow out of it. For what you're doing right now with it, and especially for learning, 6013's would be a lot easier rod than 6011's. I know the old time welder guys don't usually think too much about 6013's but I've successfully used them for about thirty years for all sorts of general mild steel welding with NO failures and they are a hell of a lot easier than the 6011. The old strength and penetration argument just don't hold water with me. Three decades and thousands of much better looking welds is all the proof I need. Just think of all the money I've saved in grinding disks alone.
Reply:Good for you Josh. Wiring a 220v single phase outlet ain't rocket science. It's simple as hell but it's also dangerous as hell if you don't understand certain things. How far is the house's breaker box from where you want the outlet? How far away is a dryer outlet? You could make an extension cord. I have quite a quantity of ten gauge SJ cable that would probably work fine for a 200 amp cracker box. Ten gauge would work fine for about thirty feet powering a small AC box. The thing to remember about small AC welding machines is they are nothing but a transformer and a fan and that's about it. A ten gauge cord would have about the same duty cycle as the welder itself. For practicing short runs and building gocart frames it would do fine. Otherwise I'd rather have an eight or six gauge wire. If you think you can use it, say the word and I'll send it. Crackerbox and Buzzbox refer to the same thing. Different terms, same meaning. The machine you have was built way back and is extremely limited as to it's capacity. Still though if you can find small enough rods it can be used to practice with. If you can find the right diameter rod I really think you can actually run some beads instead of making useless blobs and sticking rods. One thing you'll have to watch once you have the thing up and running is the temperature of the machine's transformer. The old carbon arc rig will be heavily loaded running a modern 6013 rod and you'll have to feel the temp of the transformer frequently until you get an idea how much it will take. If it's too hot to hold your finger against the iron powder frame of the transformer, you have to stop and let it cool off. This is where a fan really helps. A problem with what you have now is the sticking issue. The rod sticks and you have to work it back and forth to break it off. This removes a quantity of flux from the tip of the rod exposing bare wire on the rod tip. That's a bear to run and burn off until you get back to unmolested flux on the rod. With the setup you have now you're constantly trying to burn off bare rod as the flux has been broken off where the rubber meets the road. That's a frustration but if you can learn to do even a half arsed job with it, you'll be in heaven with a real welding machine. Keep plugging along and you'll get there.
Reply:From the main panel to my garage is like 150'(minimum) or so, I will measure everything again, but my there is a 220v line my my door in the back that I could possibly tie in to depending on what it is. And next to that is the hot water heater line, also 220v, 60amp. On the "mystery cable" in goes in to a light switch, and 2 120v lines comes out. So I have no idea what it is. I have been trying to chase it but it goes under the joist were I cant see it but iam tryin. I also found a buzz box for sale, $100 and I might buy it because its a good price and this way I have it. How much for the 10 wire? And what about running AL wire? Thanks for the help
Reply:Hmm... 150' is a long run for #10. You'd loose too much voltage over that much length. You'd want at least a #8 and to be sure a #6. The water heater line would be good but the problem is that you'd have to disable the water heater when you weld. The other folks in the house might have a problem with that. I'd say the best bet is to do a little more detective work on the mystery line. If it is a 220v line I really don't understand it branching into two 120v lines unless it's an old 220 line somebody separated into individual 120 circuits by replacing the dual 220 breaker with two 120 ones. If you can plug a couple of lamps into the circuits and have someone watch while you go flip breakers and maybe identify exactly what it is. (Cellphones are handy for this.) I'll sell you the extension wire for what it cost me. I've got 10/4 and 10/3 and some 12/3 to boot. I got them from a former employer a couple years ago. A pickup truck load of it to be precise. It cost me nothing and other than a couple of monster extension cords, I haven't used a bit of it. If we figure you can use it I'll send it. $100 is probably a good price for a good crackerbox. What kind is it?I say 'probably' because it probably is, but might not be. Aluminum wire... Aluminum is one of the better conductors, somewhere just below gold and silver. Better than copper by a little. The problem with aluminum is for it to be bendable and flexible, it has to be a soft alloy. Close to pure aluminum. Soft wire is good until you terminate it. You have to squeeze it hard at the terminal either under a screw head, or in a crimped connector. The soft alloy squeezes down and gets loose. The connection gets loose and begins to arc. We all know arcing electricity produces heat.... There was a while in the early seventies a lot of builders used aluminum wire to wire buildings and houses, and yes even mobile homes. Buildings burned and people died and aluminum wire was banned for use in buildings. Don't use aluminum. Aluminum is a wonderful metal, but not for wires. Keep pluggin man! You just might end up with a rig yet! Didja get the 1/16" rods yet? I have a feeling the little one may surprise us.
Reply:I did order some 1/16" 6013 from HF, might go to Airgas and get some. As for the Buzzbox its a Lincoln, going to take a look at it soon hopefully. But anyways I measured and I could get a 60' run form the mystery wire. I took a look in the box and the 220 red is going in to the switch and then the 120's hook up some how, and I found that if you turn it off it will shut out my lights, so I am thinking it powers the 2 lights. Here are some pics of it- I found that the buzz box is $300 but it comes with some stuff, but it wont just sell me the welder. So iam going to keep looking!Edit- I just noticed that does that look like AL wire??
Reply:Home depot has some great practice metal. It will cost a little but I bought it to start teaching the guy that works for me how to weld. he is picking it up and I just grab a bar when I go there and he cuts into v blocks or brackets. Steel Thunder Welding LLC. St. Thomas VI USAMM350PBOBCAT 3MAXSTAR 150 STH375 EXTREME PLASMA6.5 HP COMPRESORDEWALT 18, 24, AND 36 VOLTO/A TORCH SETAND SO MUCH MORE I DONT REMEMBERALL IN MY 2005 2500HD EXTENDED CAB L/B
Reply:Josh, the red wire does not mean that it is 220v. It looks to me like a 110v three way switch. That is a wiring configuration that allows two switches to control one light or set of lights. You need more individual wires to do this so it looks like bigger wire. If you aren't sure of what you have, please get someone who knows (electrician) to look at it. MUCH safer! Good luck.
Reply:Wow - that wiring has cobwebs older than me! Spend $50 and at least have a good qualified electrician come out and look at it...please.John - fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!- bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:I wasent going to mess with it, I like being alive But I finally got my 1/16" 6013 and it works! I can run a bead with it! The smaller size made all the difference! Here are some pics-22g sheet metal |
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