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Here is my new Super200P. It is a bigger version of the Super160P. It is supposed to be a combination of the WSME-200 and the CUT40.http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...79/front-1.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...40485_3300.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...53189_3300.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...16357_3300.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...28037_3300.jpgThe main Power wires appear to be 2 or 4 AWG. How does the amperage get to the tungsten? The TIG torch is a WP-26 Torch. It has a switch on the body of the torch. The end where everything plugs in to the machine only has two connectors. One is for gas and the other is the switch. Is this how it's supposed to be? Or is there supposed to be a power cable that connects to the torch? This is what the manual shows. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...979/manual.jpgTo me it looks like it wants me to connect both the positive (right side) ground and the negative (Stick clamp) to the work piece at the same time. This doesn't seem right to me. Can some one enlighten me please? ThanksP.S. Is $300 for a 300cf filled 100%argon cylinder good? They have this local to me.Last edited by SteveMc79; 02-13-2007 at 12:26 AM.
Reply:Sure, if you're buying the bottle and own it. Otherwise, leasing is the way to go. If your local welding supplier refills by just giving you another bottle, that new bottle will go bye bye. BTW, the pics are hard to see, kinda fuzzy. Hard to tell what is what, especially the front of the unit. Not many people are familiar with those units, so better pics will help.John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:I am using the camera in my phone. The pics were mostly for demonstration purposes. Just showing the wiring inside. I am really concerned with the power hookups. Is there supposed to be a power cable running in the same protector as the gas hose and switch wires? The picture in the manual looks like it wants me to attach the positive AND negative to the work piece. This doesn't seem right to me.
Reply:I think what you're seeing is the work clamp and either a TIG or Stick unit. The top one looks like the symbol for TIG and the middle one looks like Stick.John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Originally Posted by MicroZoneI think what you're seeing is the work clamp and either a TIG or Stick unit. The top one looks like the symbol for TIG and the middle one looks like Stick.
Reply:SteveMc79,http://www.weldingweb.com/member.php?u=13025Is $300 for a 300cf filled 100%argon cylinder good? They have this local to me.To answer this question...No, unless it includes the cost of the tankI have 4 tanks leased and I own 4 tanks. The 4 tanks that are leased insure that my local welding supplier will fill my 4 owned tanks. This is an agreement that I have, and it may not apply to your local supplier. I keep my O2, Acetylene, Argon and the 75%/ 25% for the MIG as spare tanks and only use them when my 4 leased tanks are low or empty.  I am very fortunate, I walk into my local welding supply and buy whatever I want, and American Express pays the tab. Thinking about the lease, it cost me about $2.00 per month / per tank for the lease contracts.Everybody knows that I have to pay the AMEX bill at the end of the month, so I KNOW just how STUPID that I can get every month.  This is all cheap money for all of the fun and relaxation that I have welding.Last edited by MJDamiani; 02-13-2007 at 04:40 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by MJDamianiThinking about the lease, it cost me about $2.00 per month / per tank for the lease contracts.This is all cheap money for all of the fun and relaxation that I have welding.
Reply:I use a large industrial welding supplier. I have friends in the large consumption welding business and I must get special consideration. I did not know that this was a very good price until you mentioned it, and then I started thinking that a large ship builder sent me there. The ship builder uses more welding supplies in one week than we use in some years. Never look a gift horse in the mouth, whatever that means.As stated, I weld for fun and to burn off everyday stress, I don't play golf. I shoot, I fish, and I play in the garage with the several welders, torches and other toys.   I may be going back to flying helicopters in the spring.I am now officially retired, MikeI forgot to mention that I also spend time with my retired bomb dog "NITRO" and the three other dogs that live here with me, my wife and my son and two daughters.Last edited by MJDamiani; 02-13-2007 at 05:57 AM.
Reply:You are correct. The top symbol is for the TIG torch and the bottom one is Stick. However, look at the lines and where they are drawn to. Does the TIG torch not need to be plugged into the negative output? Does anyone have a picture of the MACHINE side of a tig torch? I am trying to compare connections at the machine. ThanksBigger picture from the manual. Notice the tig torch is connected to the two wire control and the gas. The Stick clamp is connected to the negative side. Is there supposed to be a power connection for the TIG TORCH itself?http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19.../manbigger.jpgLast edited by SteveMc79; 02-13-2007 at 08:43 AM.
Reply:I think you're making it out to be harder than it is. Connect the leads as shown and give the unit a test. The worst possible case scenario is that it won't strike an arc or your electrode will stick to the work. They are in the correct configuration. Fire it up !John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Micro, You were right. Over complicated the thing. Just hooked up the ground clamp and the Torch connections (gas and switch). Now I need to find some steel to weld on. I used a piece of something to test out with. Now I need to learn how to use the thing properly. Should the torch be almost perpendicular to the work piece or flatter? Seemed to "look" more correct to me when more perpendicular. Thanks to everybody for helping me figure this thing out.
Reply:Miller has an on line book that Explains tig quite well. Search their site.Have a Blast!DavidReal world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:I think I have that downloaded. I just haven't had time to read it. Now I'm going to be looking for scrap steel everywhere.
Reply:With the TIG torch, you want it at a slight angle to push in the direction of your weld, not straight up and down. Just make sure your scrap isn't galvanized, chromed or coated.John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Originally Posted by SteveMc79Here is my new Super200P. It is a bigger version of the Super160P. It is supposed to be a combination of the WSME-200 and the CUT40.http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...79/front-1.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...40485_3300.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...53189_3300.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...16357_3300.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...28037_3300.jpgThe main Power wires appear to be 2 or 4 AWG. How does the amperage get to the tungsten? The TIG torch is a WP-26 Torch. It has a switch on the body of the torch. The end where everything plugs in to the machine only has two connectors. One is for gas and the other is the switch. Is this how it's supposed to be? Or is there supposed to be a power cable that connects to the torch? This is what the manual shows. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...979/manual.jpgTo me it looks like it wants me to connect both the positive (right side) ground and the negative (Stick clamp) to the work piece at the same time. This doesn't seem right to me. Can some one enlighten me please? ThanksP.S. Is $300 for a 300cf filled 100%argon cylinder good? They have this local to me.
Reply:Originally Posted by Magnetic MechanicCurrent goes through the air fitting and a coax lining under the air hose covering - did the thing actually work?
Reply:Would this be it?http://www.ripleywelding.com/products/super200p.htmlhttp://rongyichina.en.alibaba.com/AC/DC, 200A TIG, 170A Stick, 60A plasma cut, pretty cool, hope it holds up for you.Last edited by pulser; 01-17-2008 at 02:53 PM.
Reply:The current goes through the air fitting and a coax under the air hose insukation