Where are different brands of welders manufactured?

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Hi,I just want a rundown on all the different manufacturers of welders. If people could fill in the blanks, that would be great.Obviously, we know the following:Lincoln = USAMiller = USAHobart = USABut what about:Thermal Arc = ?ESAB = ?Others = ?I'd like to know before I buy.thanksAn odd fellow, but nice enough. I build "interesting" things.
Reply:Some Lincolns are made in Mexico...BobBob WrightSalem, Ohio  Birthplace of the Silver & Deming Drillhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbend10k/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sawking/1999 Miller MM185 w/ Miller 185 Spoolmate spoolgun
Reply:dont quote me, but i heard esab is an Italian outfit
Reply:ESAB:    Much of the equipment including cutting machines is made in Florence South Carolina.  Some machines are from Italy and some from Sweden.  But ESAB equipment and welding wires are mostly US made.  And with 100% guarantee on much of the equipment.
Reply:I am from Europe!Sorry for dissapointing you but almost all Lincoln here are made in Europe (in Poland for sure, and there are roumors also in Turkey and in Italy). Definetely not machines with reputation, in fact quite contrary.Miller for european market is also made mostly in Italy, but if you try to get them from suppliers in Holland and UK, you may get them from USA. There are rumours that some Miller machines come from China too. European Miller is also not appreciated, though machines imported in past from USA deserve all respect...Esab in Europe comes from Italy and Sweden, but in almost all case we could notice that there are the same part inside as at some other producers (for example Lorch, Germany...)... By 1990 ESAB made definetely perfect machines. Later, their quality fell...Out of above three, only Esab deserve respect in my country, but here in Europe we appreciate Fronius, Kemppi, Lorch, EWM, Migatronic, Rehm... Esab... both in consistency and quality and also regarding reliability.Thermal Arc= I know that some of their TIG machines are made by SANREX, japan and are considered as excellent. Also they rebadged some Lorch MIG pulse machines, which are also top quality... But also the buy and rebadge some machines from ALFA IN (www.alfain.eu), Czech Republic (east Europe) and people from ALFA IN even advertise their machines with words "we are so good that even THermal Arc rebadge our machines" (There are no Thermal Arc in our country).It is curiosity, but it seems that there are almost 100 small or big manufacturers only in Italy. Their machines are said to be fine while work ( and work 1-3 years), but later they are unrepairable or impossible to be repaired and achive the previous quality...
Reply:Hm... so if Lincolns and Millers are made abroad (out of the US, for the International folks on the board), even in part, what's with all the brouhaha people indulge in on the board about "Buying American"? Sounds like the Emperor has no clothes...An odd fellow, but nice enough. I build "interesting" things.
Reply:Originally Posted by ThaddeusHm... so if Lincolns and Millers are made abroad (out of the US, for the International folks on the board), even in part, what's with all the brouhaha people indulge in on the board about "Buying American"? Sounds like the Emperor has no clothes...
Reply:In this day and age, it's common knowledge that most international brands (Miller/Lincoln/etc...) have more than one facility. As such, It's not safe to assume that all(or any) of the components are made in the same place the machines are assembled.Maybe the more correct question would be: Who employs the most (insert your choice of country) ??I'm with Sandy on this one... Buy local when you can, but buy what you want(or need) wherever you have to go to get it.The same thought applies to buying from your LWS...  Q) How many "friends & neighbors" can you support? A) As many as possible, I may need these folks some day!On the other hand... The writing's on the wall here folks. It's clearly all going to be "one world" someday.  It's not so horrible to try to understand what it's like to walk a mile in Chinese shoes. (or any other nationality, for that matter).It's easy to confuse a country's politics with a countryman.  I wouldn't expect a "Chinaman" to be anymore in agreement his country's policy than I am with Clinton/Bush/etc...Having said that, I own stuff that is a couple different shades of blue, and some red stuff also, most of it considered to be built in the USA.  I can only hope that whoever made the pieces that comprise this stuff cares about his home, family, and his personal reputation as much as I do.  How absurd is it, these things we don't understand. I heard this once, probably 20 or 30 years ago... To quote someone I don't know:  I hope the Russians love their children too!The best things in life all come on a stick!
Reply:Originally Posted by SandyIf I live in the US I will first seek out a product made in the US, then second that product made in some other country of MY choice. It is not a broughaha, it is my choice. I need no rationale unless, of course, personal choice has been rendered illegal and I failed to read the notification.
Reply:Chicago Electric = ChinaAn odd fellow, but nice enough. I build "interesting" things.
Reply:Originally Posted by ThaddeusHm... so if Lincolns and Millers are made abroad (out of the US, for the International folks on the board), even in part, what's with all the brouhaha people indulge in on the board about "Buying American"? Sounds like the Emperor has no clothes...
Reply:In these days when the US economy is so troubled, maybe there should be an 'ingredients list' on every product stating where its components come from. Maybe these execs would think twice about "right-shoring" their manufacturing, etc., if they knew the consumers were going to know about their shell game...An odd fellow, but nice enough. I build "interesting" things.
Reply:Originally Posted by ThaddeusIn these days when the US economy is so troubled, maybe there should be an 'ingredients list' on every product stating where its components come from. Maybe these execs would think twice about "right-shoring" their manufacturing, etc., if they knew the consumers were going to know about their shell game...
Reply:I think everyone here is smart enough to know Lincoln and Miller are not 100% USA made,same with Ford,GM and Chrysler.But they are US companies.I dont really think anyone is waving a flag over their machine.But if something goes wrong with one of them you can usually find a place fairly close that can take care of your problem.Not ship it back and forth 10 times,e mail excuses etc.One world economy-How does that work,Does it bring everyone to our level or does it drag us down to theirs?
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Reply:Originally Posted by brh1969.One world economy-How does that work,Does it bring everyone to our level or does it drag us down to theirs?
Reply:sublimation of the world economic is a reality call... the fittest survive and the lesser do more homework...Sometime we overlooked on the real answer that is to gear up to compete or look for new market... but keep nagging by sitting on a couch watching the news saying the martian is comming...In China... the pool of business is competing with each other at throat cutting level with wannabie without technology knowhow, market knowledge, connection and financial support filing chapter 11 faster than new business spurting up... this trend will come to a stable era when the consumer dictate what the want and prefer... supply and demand.Now, foreign influence might be a threat but they do not hold brand loyal and refrence power of the product that had shown trust over the generation... That may be a real thing.....Now imagine, can touristism be import by other country? if not why? because it is tradition, way of living and culture of that spot... you cant create another yellowstone park anywhere outside of america...Now imagine, creating a work and product that is uniquely USA can really be a challange to yourself... The greatest enemy is oneself not adaptable or wont evolve with the trend...  wish ya good luck...Unit in my fab shop dept:my good hand and team that trust me...A lone welder make art... a village full of welder make Miracles...
Reply:Having been through the Lincoln Electric plant in Cleveland many times, (almost all 1 million square feet of it), I would have to take issue with the comment that almost all Lincoln welders are made in other countries.  And no, they aren't assembled there with parts made in other countries, they are a completely integrated manufacturer.  Sheet metal, chassis, wiring, painting, assembly, testing, it's all done right there in Cleveland.  And Lincoln puts their employees above everything else, I spoke to many people who worked there, and they all had nothing but praise for Lincoln.I r 2 a perfessional
Reply:Yes, I believe Lincoln is one of the major leader in welder machine and equipment and very serious lots... They're rods I used alot...Unit in my fab shop dept:my good hand and team that trust me...A lone welder make art... a village full of welder make Miracles...
Reply:Please do not misunderstand me. Maybe "Lincoln made in USA" is really top quality. But we have never seen it and compare it with the best European pwelding machines. What we saw was something from bellow list (taken from official Lincoln site: http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...1/linc_ar2.pdf :Simply most of bellow producer existed before taken by Lincoln. When Lincoln came, they just changed the name, pushed marketing bells around but not improved the quality. Have you ever heard about "Bester welding machines, Poland" or "Inverters, Genoa, Italy"? Believe me, these "Lincoln" branded products are by far worse than top quality European machines. EUROPERegional headquarters, Barcelona, SpainMANUFACTURINGNijmegen, Netherlands: Electrodes and cored wiresSheffield, UK: MIG wiresDublin, Ireland: Harris cutting equipmentEssen, Germany: Uhrhan & Schwill pipemill welding systemsRouen, France: Welding equipment, sub-arc flux and wireBarcelona, Spain: ElectrodesBielawa, Poland: Bester welding equipmentGenoa, Italy: Inverters, plasma equipmentMilan, Italy: Sacit accessories and safety clothingBologna, Italy: Harris cutting equipmentArezzo, Italy: C.I.F.E. MIG wire, MIG/TIG equipmentIstanbul, Turkey: AS Kaynak electrodes, MIG wires