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We just took over another yard. I used to work for this company years ago. I now am doing all there repairs and installs. Just thought I would share a few pictures of this week. Attached Images
Reply:I will try to take some more this week.Last edited by jreynoldswelding; 08-01-2010 at 11:15 AM.
Reply:What rods and settings are you using to weld with on the containers I always seem to have trouble with buring through the sides either I am to hot or to cold. I can never seem to dial them in.
Reply:Just goes to prove - Never burn your bridges.I imagine with the abuse containers go thru they should keep you rather busy. MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by GmmandanWhat rods and settings are you using to weld with on the containers I always seem to have trouble with buring through the sides either I am to hot or to cold. I can never seem to dial them in.
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55Just goes to prove - Never burn your bridges.I imagine with the abuse containers go thru they should keep you rather busy.
Reply:Wow, there are just a few containers there, eh?   Just an FYI, hopefully you already knew this, but never EVER drive around with the regulators still attached to the gas cylinders.  Big time OSHA fine if you do.  I've seen several welding rigs driving around with the regs still attached around here.    The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonRiseWow, there are just a few containers there, eh?   Just an FYI, hopefully you already knew this, but never EVER drive around with the regulators still attached to the gas cylinders.  Big time OSHA fine if you do.  I've seen several welding rigs driving around with the regs still attached around here.
Reply:Some more pictures. Rained out today!  Attached Images
Reply:So I have to ask this.  In a couple of your pictures that you posted, you show guys working on the tops of containers and folding ladders leaned against the containers for access to the tops.  Both the ladder use and the lack of fall protection are obvious OSHA violations.  Are those pictures really what you want people to see of your business?Pictures like that are what we commonly use as what not to do pictures.
Reply:For us here in BC we need fall protection above 10 feet, but you still need someplace to attach it to, so I wonder if the containers are too low to require the protection, and where would you attach it anyway?and we also use a lot of ladders here, so I can't imagine there is a problem with using ladders.
Reply:With a harnes and lanyard the required clearence is 18.5' , so you'll hit the ground before it stops you.  Using an extension ladder that extends 3' the top of the container and some how securely attached to the container would be the safest thing to do.
Reply:Originally Posted by wannabe_welderSo I have to ask this.  In a couple of your pictures that you posted, you show guys working on the tops of containers and folding ladders leaned against the containers for access to the tops.  Both the ladder use and the lack of fall protection are obvious OSHA violations.  Are those pictures really what you want people to see of your business?Pictures like that are what we commonly use as what not to do pictures.
Reply:If you wouldn't mind....A little dense maybe, but?What all exactly do you do to the containers?Do you repair just dented, or rusted through, or.....How do you decide which ones to cut and weld on?Any pics of before, during, and after?I do believe it would make a nice writeup....1981 Lincoln SA 200Miller Trailblazer 302gMiller 211 Mig Welder w/ AutosetI'm learning to stick metal together
Reply:Originally Posted by jreynoldsweldingI think you name says enough. But if you must ask, like Jay O said the laynard will not allow enough fall. Thats why in each picture you see a spotter with the one on the container. As far as the "leaning ladders" they are for grining high on the sides, the big step that is setup is used for the tops. as far as my business, I have forgot more than you will ever learn. Thank you for your concerns, A$$HOLE!
Reply:Originally Posted by wannabe_welderI can tell you're new to the business world because your skin is too thin for your own good.  If one of your guys falls from the container, you can try you little "I have forgot more than you will ever learn. Thank you for your concerns, A$$HOLE!" when OSHA shows up and they will shut you down and your employee's insurance company will take your home and business. Sorry you have to be a dick to cover your short comings, businesses run by guys like you that take liberties will never work for the company that I work for, you're a liability unworthy of the risk.  The fact that you would openly advertise such shortfalls and then take offense says more about you than me.  Hope you have your assets well hidden.
Reply:Originally Posted by jsm11If you wouldn't mind....A little dense maybe, but?What all exactly do you do to the containers?Do you repair just dented, or rusted through, or.....How do you decide which ones to cut and weld on?Any pics of before, during, and after?I do believe it would make a nice writeup....
Reply:OSHA..... That's a sore subject.  Popped us on federal land for pulling a load off a flatbed without a leader and no hard hats (2 guys)... 2k.... Warned us about a bad welding cable in the shop and lack of fire extinguisher training (fixed the wrong cable and forgot all about the training).. 5k... All the times they have seen us on jobs and in the shop, it has been unannounced.  I think we need something similar to crow season with them.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:So what exactly are the OSHA requirements for fall arresting devices? How bout some facts boys. Not just random finger pointing.Ranger 250 GXTSmith Gas Axe
Reply:Originally Posted by jreynoldsweldingRight, my skin is as thick as it comes BOY. I am sure your just another internet *****! Oh and by the way its called an LLC. Do your research dude. And I got a dick right here for ya buddy! The numbers on the truck!
Reply:Originally Posted by MrLeadManSo what exactly are the OSHA requirements for fall arresting devices? How bout some facts boys. Not just random finger pointing.
Reply:Originally Posted by MrLeadManSo what exactly are the OSHA requirements for fall arresting devices? How bout some facts boys. Not just random finger pointing.
Reply:Originally Posted by wannabe_welderFall arrests aren't required if a barrier is in place.  It's like any job, you have to adapt the protection for the job.  For jobs like that, it would seem that some type of removal handrail system would be the best.  Attach it from a ladder all the way around, problem solved.
Reply:Well I'm glad the two of you got that figured out.Ranger 250 GXTSmith Gas Axe
Reply:Originally Posted by wannabe_welder. . .For jobs like that, it would seem that some type of removal handrail system would be the best.  Attach it from a ladder all the way around, problem solved.Originally Posted by denrepWannabe - Seriously have you ever seen an ocean container up close?How would you propose that temporary rails or anchors be attached?You do know that standard container height is @ 8' ?Sincerely, I believe that the positioning, installing and removing of temporary rails would present a much greater chance for injury than the very remote possibility of a conscientious workman falling off a container. If s/he doesn't have enough wits and dexterity to stay on the roof, s/he most likely would bungle the rail installation too, and probably needs to look for a different line of work. Good Luck
Reply:I sometimes think that some of the extents of OHSA's requirements actually end up causing workers to be less than careful, careless and/or unsafe. You can't always blame a company for for workers that do stupid things. Bottom line, it's just another government agency collecting taxes."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Originally Posted by wannabe_welder1926.501(b)(1). . .
Reply:Maybe 1915?PART 1915 -- OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH STANDARDS FOR SHIPYARD EMPLOYMENT1915.73(d)    When employees are exposed to unguarded edges of decks, platforms, flats, and similar flat surfaces, more than 5 feet above a solid surface, the edges shall be guarded by adequate guardrails meeting the requirements of 1915.71(j)(1) and (2), unless the nature of the work in progress or the physical conditions prohibit the use or installation of such guardrails.
Reply:Originally Posted by denrep1926 is construction.Container work is probably 1918.Good Luck
Reply:Originally Posted by denrepMaybe 1915?PART 1915 -- OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH STANDARDS FOR SHIPYARD EMPLOYMENT1915.73(d)    When employees are exposed to unguarded edges of decks, platforms, flats, and similar flat surfaces, more than 5 feet above a solid surface, the edges shall be guarded by adequate guardrails meeting the requirements of 1915.71(j)(1) and (2), unless the nature of the work in progress or the physical conditions prohibit the use or installation of such guardrails.
Reply:Originally Posted by denrepMaybe 1915?PART 1915 -- OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH STANDARDS FOR SHIPYARD EMPLOYMENT1915.73(d)    When employees are exposed to unguarded edges of decks, platforms, flats, and similar flat surfaces, more than 5 feet above a solid surface, the edges shall be guarded by adequate guardrails meeting the requirements of 1915.71(j)(1) and (2), unless the nature of the work in progress or the physical conditions prohibit the use or installation of such guardrails.
Reply:Originally Posted by wannabe_welderI see nothing that prevents installation except that you don't feel it warrants it.
Reply:Originally Posted by wannabe_welderActually, you're grasping at straws.1915.2(a)Except where otherwise provided, the provisions of this part shall apply to all ship repairing, shipbuilding and shipbreaking employments and related employments.Not sure how you figure working on containers falls into this category.
Reply:Originally Posted by denrepI see nothing that facilitates installation except your un-detailed concept. Please post construction, connection, and installation detail for the proposed OSHA approved rails.
Reply:Originally Posted by denrepOcean going shipboard container? Ship repairing and related employments sounds much more relevant than the previously cited construction class.Good Luck
Reply:Originally Posted by wannabe_welderSimple, stack containers two high around the perimeter of the container you are working on.  Meets all the requirements for OSHA.
Reply:Originally Posted by wannabe_welderSimple, stack containers two high around the perimeter of the container you are working on.  Meets all the requirements for OSHA.
Reply:Originally Posted by denrepAnd during access and egress how do we protect workmen from falls while traversing the double-stacked "safety" containers?
Reply:Originally Posted by wannabe_welderKeep grasping, if nothing else, it;s amusing.  You have no idea what the work is considered.
Reply:Best way in my experience to stop unannounced inspectors from dropping by is to have an a gate which requires a person to be buzzed in before they can just drive their car in.  If the gates are solid (have a privacy screen so people cant just look through bars) then onlookers can not see in, and there is no "drop in" inspection. By the time the inspector is buzzed in everyone has been warned and there should be no violations to see.Just a thought.
Reply:Unfortunately, laws creating OSHA came about for trying to keep mother nature from cleaning out the stupid people from the gene pool. Next thing we know, we'll have to wear a life jacket and a helmet in the shower.  A favorite qoute of mine, "Here's your sign!"MAC WS1110 Mig WelderWoodworker HobbyistDelta 10" Table Saw, Delta Planer, Bosch and Craftsman Routers, 48" Craftsman Lathe, drill press, 1/2" hand and cordless drills, scroll saw, skill saws, jig saws, etc, and too many hand tools to list, lol
Reply:I guess it would be considered a roof and I cant find anything that is for under 20' when it's flat.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:Originally Posted by MrRodeoCCUnfortunately, laws creating OSHA came about for trying to keep mother nature from cleaning out the stupid people from the gene pool. Next thing we know, we'll have to wear a life jacket and a helmet in the shower.  A favorite qoute of mine, "Here's your sign!"
Reply:OSHA will answer correspondence with an official opinion. You can find some of them posted on their site. One way to cover yourself is to ask the "container question" and keep a copy of the response.
Reply:I apologize for participating in the near-derailment of Jreynoldswelding's thread. I'm sure that most would much rather discuss his interesting container work than what this has turned to.Wannabee - If you wish to continue with the off-topic discussion and the wager, start a new thread.  From here on I'll be sticking to container discussion in this thread.Good LuckLast edited by denrep; 08-05-2010 at 09:11 AM.
Reply:While several of us may be interested in shipping containers, most all of us could be affected by the safety regulations discussed here.In my humble opinion... if you imagine this thread without the personal insults, name calling, challenges, etc., then this is a highly informative, educational discussion of significant value.  Just tone down the rhetoric and play on.Rick V 1 Airco Heliwelder 3A/DDR3 CTC 70/90 amp Stick/Tig Inverters in Parallel1 Lincoln MIG PAK 151 Oxy-Acet
Reply:Thanks foer the support guys. Like I said his name says it all. And denrep, you are right I actually loooked into it today after this crap last night. We are doing EVERYTHING OSHA approved. Thanks again
Reply:I work at a state agency that has been in the OSHA sights for a while.  They visit us as a reslult of targeted complaints form unhappy or former employees.  If they pay a visit it does not matter what you do, they show up they will find something.  If the problem it isn't in how you practice your craft then the problem will be in your written plan(s).  Stay below the surface if at all possible
Reply:hey how are ya, i dont say much on this site  i like to read and take  it all in  for the the things i dont know. but i have to say congrats in expanding your bussiness . iv been mobile welding  and small shop stuff for 19 years its tuff butt you can make a good living at it.  also doing all the other odds/ ends like painting and caulking make you even more money when that welder isnt running  LOL  YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.IM GONNA   PM   YOU WHEN I GET A CHANCEGARY