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Howdy. I own a dodge 3500. I love the truck and do not want a differnt one. I own a lincoln vantage 300 and its sitting up front close to the cab and I have to be very carful when I turn when I pull a trailer so I dont hit the welder. I have been thinken about adding 3ft of extension to move my axle and so on back. My truck GW is 32,000lbs. I am usaly am overloaded and I probaly have around 50,000lbs. I think the best way is to cut the frame and create a v section then take a frame from a scrap yard truck and slide them up, bevel it then weld it with 7018 then grind it down after that take 1/4 floor plate to go over it with minimum 1-1/2ft past the weld on both sides and bolt it down with 8 3/4 bolts per side. Please let me hear all of your opnions. Im only 18. and experinces is a lil low for me. I am aware of lenghten cables, lines, etc and the driveshaft. and allingment is extremly important. I am at muskogee okholma and if there is anyone near me with the experince I am willing to pay for help. I just want it done right and plus there will be way more weight than anyone can imagine. Thank you.
Reply:LOL!  I got hammered for wanting to extend a 1500lb GVWR utility trailer.  I have popcorn and a cold beer, let it begin!
Reply:Originally Posted by White TrashHowdy. I own a dodge 3500. I love the truck and do not want a differnt one. I own a lincoln vantage 300 and its sitting up front close to the cab and I have to be very carful when I turn when I pull a trailer so I dont hit the welder. I have been thinken about adding 3ft of extension to move my axle and so on back. My truck GW is 32,000lbs. I am usaly am overloaded and I probaly have around 50,000lbs. I think the best way is to cut the frame and create a v section then take a frame from a scrap yard truck and slide them up, bevel it then weld it with 7018 then grind it down after that take 1/4 floor plate to go over it with minimum 1-1/2ft past the weld on both sides and bolt it down with 8 3/4 bolts per side. Please let me hear all of your opnions. Im only 18. and experinces is a lil low for me. I am aware of lenghten cables, lines, etc and the driveshaft. and allingment is extremly important. I am at muskogee okholma and if there is anyone near me with the experince I am willing to pay for help. I just want it done right and plus there will be way more weight than anyone can imagine. Thank you.
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Reply:if you do go that route i would reinforce the frame from the Trans cross member back.   those dodges liked to fold right behind the cab.Vantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:not to start an argument about what should or should not be done but in most state it is not illegal to shotrn or streatch frames. that being said one must ask himself Do i have the knowledge and the skills to properlly engineer this so that it will not fail? thats a tall order that you sre suggesting. I have done some frame mods I made 50's chevy 4x4 but that is not half the stress that you are talking about.One thing that if you do stretch the frame it would add a loot of strength the the frame if you boxed the area after you do the stretch.sorry about my speling its 1:00am and a week of very little sleep so forgive me if this reads a litte joofy, it just the insomniaAnthonyTo many hobbies not enough Cash!!1951 Chevy 1 Ton 9' Pickup resto-mod V8 4x4 1987 Pontiac Fiero GT 3800 V6 ConversionESAB MIgmaster 250www.anthonysautoservice.com
Reply:Its an 01 model. It had gaven me over 200,000 miles without a breakdown plus it is one of hte last cummins engine with all parts are mechanical and not electonic like the new ones.  My inspector is um lets say just write the paper without looken  SHHHHHSSSHHHH
Reply:Where are you getting your gross weight and loaded weight from I have read it twice to make sure I am reading it correctly?  50,000 pounds would snap a one ton truck frame and spin the pinion off. I have seen some dodges with 25k truck and trailer and it was hating it.  50k is getting up to where you need a tractor trailer.
Reply:I'm not sure our R model Mack with the heavy trailer went 50K and you want this in a Dodge!Newer trucks use high tensile frames and many are tempered or heat treated. Almost all manufacturers recomend replacement rather than welded repairs on them. Most have a sticker that specifically states "DO NOT WELD" right on the frame. There are very special procedures and steps for steel like these frames are made from. It's not a process for the average skilled welder, let alone someone who says they are "Im only 18. and experinces is a lil low for me."As suggested you need to look at a bigger vehicle. Even my F550 isn't rated for that sort of weight. Mine is an 11' bed and the weight for the GVW for truck alone is 19.5K IIRC. With trailer it's 35K I think. You can find some nice deals on F650-750 /6500 series trucks if you look a bit, often with 11-14' landscaper flatbeds or 9-11' dumps. Also I looked at any number of Sterlings, Topkicks, Freighliner box trucks that you could replace the box on cheap. With those if anything you'd be shortening the frame not lengthening it..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:If it's a crew cab, remove your back seat and mount it inside the truck.  If not mount it to the roof of the cab.Problem solved!
Reply:Originally Posted by White TrashIts an 01 model. It had gaven me over 200,000 miles without a breakdown plus it is one of hte last cummins engine with all parts are mechanical and not electonic like the new ones.  My inspector is um lets say just write the paper without looken  SHHHHHSSSHHHH
Reply:Originally Posted by White TrashHowdy. I own a dodge 3500. I love the truck and do not want a differnt one. I own a lincoln vantage 300 and its sitting up front close to the cab and I have to be very carful when I turn when I pull a trailer so I dont hit the welder. I have been thinken about adding 3ft of extension to move my axle and so on back. My truck GW is 32,000lbs. I am usaly am overloaded and I probaly have around 50,000lbs. I think the best way is to cut the frame and create a v section then take a frame from a scrap yard truck and slide them up, bevel it then weld it with 7018 then grind it down after that take 1/4 floor plate to go over it with minimum 1-1/2ft past the weld on both sides and bolt it down with 8 3/4 bolts per side. Please let me hear all of your opnions. Im only 18. and experinces is a lil low for me. I am aware of lenghten cables, lines, etc and the driveshaft. and allingment is extremly important. I am at muskogee okholma and if there is anyone near me with the experince I am willing to pay for help. I just want it done right and plus there will be way more weight than anyone can imagine. Thank you.
Reply:50K lbs?In a DODGE?????Highly unlikely..I have a '99 F-350 4X4 Diesel dumptruck and the G.V.W. is only 12.5KIf I get pulled over at a weigh station and am over the limit?I get SCREWED!!!!Someone needs a new scale....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:if your willing to spend money just trade it in on the right truck,  35000 -50000 lbs ??????what the heck have you got that thing loaded with ?   im not so sure about that
Reply:i hual an exavator with it.  it no more than 15 miles on back roads bout every 2 months.  hell i drive 1st n 2nd gear n thats the fastest i go.   what bout 2 and half feet.   would that work??. if it cant handle the weight no more then i guess ill have to find a new way to move it.
Reply:Originally Posted by White TrashHowdy. I own a dodge 3500. I love the truck and do not want a differnt one. I own a lincoln vantage 300 and its sitting up front close to the cab and I have to be very carful when I turn when I pull a trailer so I dont hit the welder. I have been thinken about adding 3ft of extension to move my axle and so on back. My truck GW is 32,000lbs. I am usaly am overloaded and I probaly have around 50,000lbs. I think the best way is to cut the frame and create a v section then take a frame from a scrap yard truck and slide them up, bevel it then weld it with 7018 then grind it down after that take 1/4 floor plate to go over it with minimum 1-1/2ft past the weld on both sides and bolt it down with 8 3/4 bolts per side. Please let me hear all of your opnions. Im only 18. and experinces is a lil low for me. I am aware of lenghten cables, lines, etc and the driveshaft. and allingment is extremly important. I am at muskogee okholma and if there is anyone near me with the experince I am willing to pay for help. I just want it done right and plus there will be way more weight than anyone can imagine. Thank you.
Reply:If you really insist on doing it then find a Semi company. They do frame work on these all the time. Hell we do quite a few at work a week. But without experience, if you do this then let me know so I can warn any bus loads of nuns in your area.
Reply:I have an 01' Dodge Ram 1500 and have owned an 01 Dodge Ram 3500 5.9L CTD. First off, the 01' Cummins uses the VP44 which is an electronicly controlled injection pump. My 93' Cummins uses a Bosch VE which is a purely mechanical. None of the 24v Cummins engines found in Dodges from the factory are purely mechanical. I just had to say that because it was really bugging me. 2nd off, you're insane. 50k is suicidal in your truck which is not designed to in an way tow that much weight. Never mind your frame. Your brakes are not designed for this! This is an extreme safety hazard and completely illegal in your truck. I'm pretty sure towing over your GCVWR (gross combined vehicle weight rating) is illegal in any state.GET A SEMI-TRACTOR! I will not tow over 8000lbs with my Ram 1500 even though I have a 3.9L Cummins and NV5600 transmission. Why? My brakes are stock.Chicago Electric 131 Dual MIG Welder 120Vhttp://www.gr8lakeinnovations.com2x Associates of Automotive Technology: Transmission Technician & Under Car TechnicianAssociates of Electrical Engineering Technology
Reply:lol  I concur with sirhannick on the Dodge facts-98.5 are 12v (mechanical)98.5-02 are 24v (VP44)03- are common rail (CP3)Lincoln AC225 and CartLincoln WeldPak HD and CartOne hand
Reply:http://dodgeram.info/2001/towing-charts.html  I was hoping 50 k was a typo Max trailer weight is 13,500 which is a big enough load to try and stop with a 1 ton truck. 50,000 pounds with a one ton truck is just crazy
Reply:If you have and excavator to pull, create a quick way to mount and release the welder, If you only pull this trailer occasoinally pluck the welder from the truck bed with the excavator, there's 1400 lbs gone and no clearance issues. if you need the welder drop it on the tounge of the trailer, I assume it is a gooseneck. What is the excavator, mini or full size. I think the absolute largest you should be pulling is 16K on a pickup and trailer of any size. If you are truly approaching 50K your killing your truck , endangering anyone around you and I would not want to be you on a down hill when any of it fails. If it goes bad and you are unhurt you will likely be out a truck, trailer and excavator in a best case scenario, give it some thought.  If you want to stretch your truck for average use, no biggie, but even left alone what you say you are doing, is dangerous to you and others. Do you want to be responsible when that kid on a bicycle appears in front of you without warning where he really normally wouldn't be? Your 18, you probably don't think about things like that cause your not that far from a bicycle. No offense meant. Just don't have the experience to know how much trouble your courting.Last edited by kolot; 08-22-2010 at 11:15 AM."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251   Syncrowave 300   30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200   1 short hood    SA250    SAM 400
Reply:Pulling that much weight with a little truck is as smart as using an arc gouger in your lap.I love the truck and do not want a differnt one.
Reply:Agreed with the above on the injection pump specs..BUT...it is completely doable and relatively inexpensive to retrofit a p-7100 mechanical pump on the 24-valve Cummins.  Pump, front cover, lines, and a few misc parts.....no more vp-44!AutoArc 120 MIGMontgomery Ward AC/DC 230r.i.p. - Miller Thunderbolt 05 Jeep Liberty Renegade
Reply:Do yourself a favor and look for a used F600/700/800/650/750 truck or equivalent Chevy/GMC, Mack, Freightliner, Sterling, Kenworth, Peterbilt, etc, medium/heavy commercial truck to haul the trailer with.  Something with a GCVWR of more than 50K lbs.  Your '01 Dodge 3500 diesel is rated down about 23K lbs GCVWR if it has the 4.10 axle.  You're about double over the rating.The last year for the mechanical 12 valve Cummins 5.9 was 1998.  Your 2001 is a 24 valve computer controlled engine.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Okay, so this guy says he's from Oklahoma yet his location lists him from Missouri, he drives a '01 24 valve Dodge that he doesn't know isn't equipped with a P-7100 pump, says his vehicles GW is 32,000 pounds, he's 18 and has already driven 200,000 miles on the truck?  I'll agree that this seems a bit much to swallow.How about a picture of your rig hauling this load, fully loaded, so all can see ewhat might be the best way to resolve your issues?Vantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Hey Dualie, i used to operate heavy towing/recovery units and I've seen where guys have done that to big units too as a result of getting stupid and anchoring the front down so it didn't lift off the ground when attempting to lift/recover something too large for the unit.  That's why they (operators) are called "wreckers" same as I would a couple of those goof balls on the TV show.Used to install rollback and recovery bodies and did my share of successful frame stretches but I refuse to get involved in those discussions.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:What kind of trailer are you using to haul your equipment with? Most of the trailers that are built to haul excavators or dozers are pintle hitch to be pulled behind a dump truck or a large streight truck.
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Reply:Well, Dodge does have that new commercial that states if their truck won't do what you ask it to - bring it back for a full refund.  Maybe the Mopar folks just didn't consider loggers and "wreckers".Ouch!!MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:homegrownrmk could you get me another coke while UR up... nah, I have popcorn still thanks anywaysheesh.Lincoln Power MIG 215Lincoln WeldPak 3200HDLincon ProCut 25Lincoln WeldanPower 225 AC/DCIf all else fails... buy more tools
Reply:Post #26 not really his fault, first time out after the new front brake job.  As for post #29 let's just skip the tickets and move right to a felony reckless endangerment charge. Very foolish attempt, I only hope the picture is staged."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251   Syncrowave 300   30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200   1 short hood    SA250    SAM 400
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Reply:Originally Posted by AnthonyFnot to start an argument about what should or should not be done but in most state it is not illegal to shorten or streatch frames. that being said one must ask himself Do i have the knowledge and the skills to properly engineer this so that it will not fail? thats a tall order that you sre suggesting. I have done some frame mods I made 50's chevy 4x4 but that is not half the stress that you are talking about.One thing that if you do stretch the frame it would add a loot of strength the the frame if you boxed the area after you do the stretch.Anthony