A Couple of Hand Rails

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Here is a recent project that I completed.  The owner of the house needed a hand rail, because their senior mother was moving in.  She was having a tough time going up and down the stairs without losing her balance.With the scraps that were left over, I made three garden hose racks.  I felt that the material similarities could add some visual stimulation at the front and back of the house.  Plus the customer needed them.A few of the pics show the cheap and flimsy rail that was replaced.  A few of the others show the before and after of the rear stairs.Let me know what you think.-Rhyno Attached Images07 Fowler 200D65 RedFace04 Miller TB 302, 22hpMiller 12RCMiller HF 251-1Lincoln SP135HyperTherm PM 380and a few others... Originally Posted by RhynoBut, if I "all of a sudden disappear....  ...." hopefully I didn't suffer too much....
Reply:Here are a few more.......-Rhyno Attached Images07 Fowler 200D65 RedFace04 Miller TB 302, 22hpMiller 12RCMiller HF 251-1Lincoln SP135HyperTherm PM 380and a few others... Originally Posted by RhynoBut, if I "all of a sudden disappear....  ...." hopefully I didn't suffer too much....
Reply:And a few more.....-Rhyno Attached Images07 Fowler 200D65 RedFace04 Miller TB 302, 22hpMiller 12RCMiller HF 251-1Lincoln SP135HyperTherm PM 380and a few others... Originally Posted by RhynoBut, if I "all of a sudden disappear....  ...." hopefully I didn't suffer too much....
Reply:After they are painted and screwed...... I will post some more.-Rhyno07 Fowler 200D65 RedFace04 Miller TB 302, 22hpMiller 12RCMiller HF 251-1Lincoln SP135HyperTherm PM 380and a few others... Originally Posted by RhynoBut, if I "all of a sudden disappear....  ...." hopefully I didn't suffer too much....
Reply:I like it. The new railing makes the house look more modern. What color are you going to paint it?
Reply:Originally Posted by forhireI like it. The new railing makes the house look more modern. What color are you going to paint it?
Reply:Looks Great !Miller Diversion 165120 amp Buzz BoxVictor Oxy/Ace Oxy/LPGSmith "Little" Oxy/LPGHypertherm Powermax 30Lot's of Misc. tools n' crap....
Reply:Originally Posted by jmanLooks Great !
Reply:Originally Posted by RhynoI typically let the customer do the painting.  I suggested a few types.  If they wanted a rattle can, I suggested Rustoleum HammerTone in an Earth tone.  If they want to use a brush, I suggested the products by KBS.  They make a great rust stop/proof/hard finish.I will check back with them, in a while.-Rhyno
Reply:Here is the bottom of some well lids, that were very rusty.  I cleaned, wire brushed, cleaned, Used RustBlast, and applied RustSeal very heavily.The heavy coats might have caused the bubbles to form.  They are almost gone, now.-Rhyno Attached ImagesLast edited by Rhyno; 03-31-2010 at 04:31 AM.07 Fowler 200D65 RedFace04 Miller TB 302, 22hpMiller 12RCMiller HF 251-1Lincoln SP135HyperTherm PM 380and a few others... Originally Posted by RhynoBut, if I "all of a sudden disappear....  ...." hopefully I didn't suffer too much....
Reply:Nice jobthat's also an interesting design on those concrete steps, I'll keep those in mind.HH187Hobart 500i plasma cutterClark 4.5" GrinderDewalt 14" chop saw30 gallom 1.6 hp compressor10 gallon pressure pot sand blasterlots of hand tools
Reply:Originally Posted by RhynoI typically let the customer do the painting.  I suggested a few types.  If they wanted a rattle can, I suggested Rustoleum HammerTone in an Earth tone.  If they want to use a brush, I suggested the products by KBS.  They make a great rust stop/proof/hard finish.-Rhyno
Reply:Your railing looks very good, excellent workmanship. Not trying to be critical at all, but the pickets should not be more than 4" apart by OSHA code. They also just raised the coded height to 42" I think. Also, on handrails you can have the top rail between posts like you have it but on stair rails it should run across the top of the posts with a roll over or lambs tongue on the end.Something you might want to do aesthetically would be to use shoes on the bottom of the posts to cover the plates and bolts. Just some suggestions and not trying to be critical at all.
Reply:Originally Posted by BobYour railing looks very good, excellent workmanship. Not trying to be critical at all, but the pickets should not be more than 4" apart by OSHA code. They also just raised the coded height to 42" I think. Also, on handrails you can have the top rail between posts like you have it but on stair rails it should run across the top of the posts with a roll over or lambs tongue on the end.Something you might want to do aesthetically would be to use shoes on the bottom of the posts to cover the plates and bolts. Just some suggestions and not trying to be critical at all.
Reply:Nice work! It has to be better than what was there before.FWIW:OSHA does not regulate building codes for residence's, they enforce the use of safety devices and practices in the work place, the "O" is for occupational.Your county or municipal permits and inspections office enforce building codes. This is who you should check with about building code questions. For an add on like this many places will not require a permit or inspection at all, but most places will. It's always a good idea to ask your local inspector what he'd like before you start building.According to ICC building code, which is basically the same for most of the USA, the 4" spacing rule only applies if there is a drop of over 30" from the walking surface. The 42" height requirement is for commercial/retail/public spaces, also only where there's a drop of over 30". Most places still allow 36" min guardrail height for residential. Like the 4" rule, though, it only applies if there's a drop of over 30" from the walking surface. Most residential codes in the USA spec grabrails (that's what these are, not guardrails) to be 34" min (some places allow as low as 30") to 38" max height. Those steps have 3 risers at (I'll guess) 7-1/2" +/-, which would equal a total drop of ~22-1/2" from the top step, so no guardrail should be necessary.The "impalement" issue is also a non issue, most codes allow the grabrail, in residential construction only, to be interrupted by the newel posts. (With the unwritten caveat that they are not razor sharp spikes) So the only issue I see is that they might not pass inspection for being 1" over max height. Of course if you didn't pull permits and aren't getting inspected it wont matter. If you are looking at shoes check out King Architectural Metals, they have a line of 2 piece plastic "sim-shoes" that glue over the newel post feet with just a dab of super glue,  in a few different sizes. Here's the link: http://www.kingmetals.com/Default.as...langes*20333@@Brian LeonardAppalachian Ironworks L.L.C.434 Long Branch Rd, Marshall, NC 28753828 649 9966828 702 [email protected]
Reply:Originally Posted by app-ironworksllcNice work! It has to be better than what was there before.FWIW:OSHA does not regulate building codes for residence's, they enforce the use of safety devices and practices in the work place, the "O" is for occupational.Your county or municipal permits and inspections office enforce building codes. This is who you should check with about building code questions. For an add on like this many places will not require a permit or inspection at all, but most places will. It's always a good idea to ask your local inspector what he'd like before you start building.According to ICC building code, which is basically the same for most of the USA, the 4" spacing rule only applies if there is a drop of over 30" from the walking surface. The 42" height requirement is for commercial/retail/public spaces, also only where there's a drop of over 30". Most places still allow 36" min guardrail height for residential. Like the 4" rule, though, it only applies if there's a drop of over 30" from the walking surface. Most residential codes in the USA spec grabrails (that's what these are, not guardrails) to be 34" min (some places allow as low as 30") to 38" max height. Those steps have 3 risers at (I'll guess) 7-1/2" +/-, which would equal a total drop of ~22-1/2" from the top step, so no guardrail should be necessary.The "impalement" issue is also a non issue, most codes allow the grabrail, in residential construction only, to be interrupted by the newel posts. (With the unwritten caveat that they are not razor sharp spikes) So the only issue I see is that they might not pass inspection for being 1" over max height. Of course if you didn't pull permits and aren't getting inspected it wont matter. If you are looking at shoes check out King Architectural Metals, they have a line of 2 piece plastic "sim-shoes" that glue over the newel post feet with just a dab of super glue,  in a few different sizes. Here's the link: http://www.kingmetals.com/Default.as...langes*20333@@
Reply:The only reason I was telling this is most lending institutions usually go by building codes[which usually parellel OSHA] so that if the owner were to sell they would have to bring it up to code for the prospective buyers to get a loan. I've had to rebuild several to meet code before so thought I would mention it. The posts sticking up through the top rail negate someone from sliding their hand down the rail as they walk down, simply functionality.
Reply:Originally Posted by BobThe only reason I was telling this is most lending institutions usually go by building codes[which usually parellel OSHA] so that if the owner were to sell they would have to bring it up to code for the prospective buyers to get a loan. I've had to rebuild several to meet code before so thought I would mention it. The posts sticking up through the top rail negate someone from sliding their hand down the rail as they walk down, simply functionality.
Reply:The design of the concrete steps made it an interesting adaption for the handrail.  Nice work.Millermatic 252"Don't worry, he's got a welder, he can fix anything"
Reply:Originally Posted by sparkyman65The design of the concrete steps made it an interesting adaption for the handrail.  Nice work.
Reply:Originally Posted by tackitEnjoyed looking at your creations, I like horse shoe art.    I once made a mail box post out of two pieces of 1 1/4" sq tubing...seperated the tubes by welding horseshoes between them.  Then I welded a plate across the top of tubes to mount a red barn mail box. Took two horshoes and welded them to 1" wide flat stock and welded the flat stock across the front tube under the mailbox to hold news papers.  looked really nice.