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Hey Guys, Going to begin the trailer build in the next few days and wanted to get some thoughts on the best rod to use. Of course each joint will have gussets to help with strength. This will most likely be A-36 3" channel. New Steel. Will clean prior to each weld.. Should this be welded with 6010 or 7018?Which would have a more penetrating weld and stronger weld overall?
Reply:I've got my popcorn.basic response on trailers and anything that travels on public roads is "if you have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it."that being said, I'm not a stick guy so I'll pass any further response to someone with more knowledge.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerI've got my popcorn.basic response on trailers and anything that travels on public roads is "if you have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it."that being said, I'm not a stick guy so I'll pass any further response to someone with more knowledge.
Reply:What he said ^^^^ If you need to ask, then you shouldn't be doing it!Edit:Nevermind! I saw your post to him...you are one of those.Last edited by Scott Young; 10-04-2012 at 03:04 AM.
Reply:The reason I ask is that I have been getting a couple different responses. 70% say 7018. 30% 6010. I can on here for answers. I don't to be told "use this because I said so" I would prefer to understand why I should or shouldn't use it and further my knowledge in what the pro's and con's on for each and its application....
Reply:Originally Posted by scott youngwhat he said ^^^^ if you need to ask, then you shouldn't be doing it!
Reply:Originally Posted by theservicegroup777You too came out of your mother womb an all knowing tradesmen in your particular career/trade....YOU LEARN BY ASKING
Reply:Ok, This is the deal... This is partially why I am here seeking help. I welded 3 years in High School , Won Competitions blah blah blah... Afterworks I worked at a fab shop in East Texas Welding for a year and a half. Liked it but I decided I needed more spare time and I would rather be a business owner instead of working for the man. On the weekend I prefer to take the suit off. Of those 4 1/2 years we welded with 2 rods. 6010 and 7018. In class we learned that the first two numbers were tensile strength , third is position and lastly current and coating. I can lay down a nice strong.NOT ONCE...(OK MAYBE ONCE in class i must have skipped that day....DA MN) did anyone explain to me what or why they choose that rod. Even at the workplace, I asked and i was told im not sure becasue we have always done it that way. Im going to be using the 3" channel. of course the 7018 has more tensile strength but will it penetrate as good as the 6010 or vice versa.????7018 and a 7010 would be the same in strength but weld different and im sure there is a reason behind it an a specifc application for it.I guess the question should be if you were going to weld a trailer what would you process be?Last edited by theservicegroup777; 10-04-2012 at 04:08 AM.
Reply:Honestly, Just from using them (if i cant get any help lol) im gonna stick with the 6010. I feel the 7018 is a more brittle "surface weld". Thats my look on it again it could be completly wrong hence im here for guidance. I will appreciate any help..I actually though of 6010 root and 7018 cap, but im looking at my boat trailer and the trailers at tractor supply and there are only 1 bead..I dont think i could weld a ****tier trailer than the $300 harbor freight bolt together folding trailer....LOLLast edited by theservicegroup777; 10-04-2012 at 04:06 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott YoungIf you need to ask, then you shouldn't be doing it!
Reply:All trailers are currently cast in one piece. The reason is because the first time someone imagined a trailer, they realized it was much too dangerous to weld one together out of standard stock the first time. So the answer is, nobody knows what kind of rod to use. You just can't get there from here. (Buy some of each and experiment, then later when someone else asks for advice, tell them not to do it.)
Reply:I always just use aluminum pop-rivets.They work much better with the rusty scrap steel material that I use.
Reply:Originally Posted by theservicegroup777. Liked it but I decided I needed more spare time and I would rather be a business owner instead of working for the man.
Reply:Yes I did some rude and crude playing around with a 4-lb hammer. 7018 that never seen the inside of an oven 18 blows to break.7018 right out of the oven 23-blows.6010 5P-Plus 10-blows.6011 8-blows.6013 3-blows. Attached ImagesDont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:If you don't believe these experts that have posted maybe Miller can be your guide.http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...calculator.php
Reply:When I bought my 1946 Lincoln sae300, I brought out a trailer to move the machine. The owner had a bobcat that could barely move the 2800lb machine.Anyways, the guy took a John Deere trailer axle w/tires rated At 1000 pounds and got The back end of the machine lifted up just enough to roll the axle in about a foot.Next he grabbed some chain, and a 110 mig welder in hand, he basically wrappedThe chain around the axle and then welded the chain to the bottom beams of the machine.I don't know how his mig welds didn't just snap because he tack welded the chain onto the machine that was wrapped around the axle.When we got it on the trailer, I put planks of wood under the machine to get weight off that scab axle, and I used 4 come-alongs to hold the machine down. Some guys figure that welding will hold the world together, but I have the proper esucation, training & experience to know better and took every precaution to safely get that machine home as if he never welded this - this "thing" "an axle" on it.The guy was not aware of dynamic loading, he was not aware that the machine will jump with the momentum of the roads and bouncing will be even more weight & stress on the axle and his welds, he wasn't aware to never ever weld on chain, or even weld all this with a mig gun.46 sae30047 sa200 w/Wisconsin VF451 shorthood56 shorthood56 shorthood68 redface69 redface07 ranger 305G13 sae300Inconel/Hastelloy SS Duplex Chrome/Carbon Tig F3Downhand STT/RMD F3F4 B Pressure
Reply:Originally Posted by theservicegroup777When you turned 16 or 17 or 18 and went to your first job, Did you just jump in and know everything?Didn't think so.Who said it was going to be traveled on pubic highways?
Reply:I could weld a trailer with either 6010 or 7018 and would not worry about a weld failure but thats me.My preference would be 7018, but thats me.It's totally up to you and what your comfortable with.A good mig would do the job much faster with no slag to chip.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Coathangers, 2, 12 volt batteries, and a set of jumper cables, don't forget to wrap the coat hangers with wet newspaper first.Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:I would use 7018 rods on it if it clean steel the 7018 rods make better looking welds. Some people would do a root pass with a 6010 and then cap it with the 7018. If you have ever welded before then I am very sure you can build a better trailer then they sell at lowes/ homedepot/ northerntool. Those are the trailers that look like they were built with a 110 mig welder from harbor frieght out of bed rails.Vantage 300 kubota ,miller 304 xmt ,lincoln ln 25 pro , ranger 305 G, plenty of other tools of the trade to make the sparks fly.
Reply:I would go with 6010. It's especially nice with poor fit ups and great for filling gaps. If the weld doesn't look like you want cap with 7018.
Reply:What tozzi said.Ranger 305gMillermatic 140 AutosetDewalt Chopsaw2 grindersMy Fists
Reply:You should use the 7018. No better rod for building a trailer. Each rod has a purpose 6010 is for root passes, because of its filling properties. It is also good at penitration and welding on dirty metal. Many times you will hear of guys welding a root with 6010 then grinding most of it out. Because it has a high hydrogen content, and will make a brittle weld.7018 makes a strong weld, and will look nicer too.Hickory
Reply:Originally Posted by TozziWeldingCoathangers, 2, 12 volt batteries, and a set of jumper cables, don't forget to wrap the coat hangers with wet newspaper first.
Reply:Originally Posted by TozziWeldingCoathangers, 2, 12 volt batteries, and a set of jumper cables, don't forget to wrap the coat hangers with wet newspaper first.There are 2-3 of the previous post that were very helpful and I would like to thank you guys for your valuable input.Looked at Lowes trailers today. Pieces of S H I T . Its all angle iron except the front half which is channel. Brand New and it twists when I step into it on one side. Not your normal little flex...though I was gonna break it. I am looking forward to the project and appreciate all the information. Anyone interested in progression pictures PM ME..Thanks Again ALL!!
Reply:I did mean freezing. ThanksHickory
Reply:The trailer is for the 2 New Atv's I just got.2 Matching 2012 Yamaha Grizzly 700'sFUN FUN!!!
Reply:Anybody stop to ask what you have for an ARC welder? If you have a machine that is DC capable I would use DC electrode + and 7018.probably 1/8. If you have a Buzz box AC machine I would probably use the 6010. I may have missed what you have in mind for a trailer but unless you are building a severe duty heavy trailer I don't think you will be doing roots and covers. Some single pass 1/4 fillets should get it done. Will you be welding mostly flat position or will you be doing out of position?"Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251 Syncrowave 300 30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200 1 short hood SA250 SAM 400
Reply:Lincoln 240 Ac Output. My friend has an ac/dc one i can get my hands on...Before the comments start rolling in about the trailer, IT will Never see the road. This is our summer house in Indiana. 400 Acre Farm. ... Private Roads will be what shes on...
Reply:Originally Posted by kolotAnybody stop to ask what you have for an ARC welder? If you have a machine that is DC capable I would use DC electrode + and 7018.probably 1/8. If you have a Buzz box AC machine I would probably use the 6010. I may have missed what you have in mind for a trailer but unless you are building a severe duty heavy trailer I don't think you will be doing roots and covers. Some single pass 1/4 fillets should get it done. Will you be welding mostly flat position or will you be doing out of position?
Reply:I use JB weld on all my trailers. Make sure you put three passes of JB on the drawbar. It's the best way to weld a trailer.
Reply:Your ac welder changes things.It will not run 6010 rod worth a darn and only 7018 ac rods.If you were not aware of this, I'm not sure you should be doing this?Last edited by snoeproe; 10-05-2012 at 12:06 AM.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Originally Posted by theservicegroup777Before the comments start rolling in about the trailer, IT will Never see the road. This is our summer house in Indiana. 400 Acre Farm. ... Private Roads will be what shes on...
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproeYour ac welder changes things.It will not run 6010 rod worth a darn and only 7018 ac rods.If you were not aware of this, I'm not sure you should be doing this?
Reply:Originally Posted by BoostinjdmIs it to pull behind the atv's? Cuz I don't see any reason to trailer them around a 400 acre farm. That isn't even that big.
Reply:Originally Posted by BoostinjdmIs it to pull behind the atv's? Cuz I don't see any reason to trailer them around a 400 acre farm. That isn't even that big.
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproeYour ac welder changes things.It will not run 6010 rod worth a darn and only 7018 ac rods.If you were not aware of this, I'm not sure you should be doing this?
Reply:If I remember correctly he has a dc-600... hopefully that should do it...
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerUnless this trailer is to go behind the quads than I also see no point in trailering them. Also, unless the trailer is for behind quads you can't say it will never go on the roads.
Reply:Originally Posted by theservicegroup777Gotta love the people that try to "figure things out"..lol
Reply:Originally Posted by BoostinjdmGotta love them "know it alls" that ask simple questions.I still see zero reason to trailer atvs around a farm that's only 2/3's of a section (square mile).
Reply:If you really need two atvs in one spot and only have one driver. I'd use a tow bar and pull one behind the other.My name's not Jim....
Reply:kinda need the truck with for his supplies... otherwise i think thats a great suggestion. Only other thing i though of was the pull bar and one atv on a car dolly..LOLAt this point is beginning to become a lot of work...hence the trailer but ...hell with it if it works...Im sure its fine i just dont know how well i would like it...lol again im not moving fast at all....Good Suggestion SIr!!!
Reply:disabilities are nothing to be ashamed of. Some of us share our mental deficiencies openly. You'd save a lot of people a lot of time if you'd just give the whole story in the first place. and save yourself a lot of headaches getting irritated about "*** F....." responses. I still stand by my statement that you can't say it will never go on the road. Inspections, titles and licenses are easy to get done. and if the trailer is useful enough, that will happen if it needs too. and if they let the ones at the box stores go down the road it won't take much for them to let a home built one down the road. Now to something a little more helpful. lets see some drawings on what you're thinking of building. I think you're going overboard gusseting each joint. as it's not really needed. sure if you want to gusset the corners that might be helpful, but otherwise you're just adding cost in metal and weight which eats up payload.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Outfit one of them atvs with bags for the supplies.My name's not Jim....
Reply:Originally Posted by theservicegroup777Flat nothing out of position. We have a set up that will allow us to rotate the frame. Not quite as nice as a rotisserie but it get the job done...
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerhey, I flipped my trailer around with an engine hoist. It ain't gotta be pretty. It's just gotta get the job done in a fairly safe manner.
Reply:Originally Posted by kolotIf you have a Buzz box AC machine I would probably use the 6010
Reply:Originally Posted by KelvinYou can't run 6010 on AC...it's DC only |
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