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Existing structure that needs some columns removed to make for a more open space.4 W8x31 columns (basement to roof 3 floors) need to be removed from the second floor. To do this I will be transferring the load to some new beams.6 of these beams are W24x176 one is a W30x235, all about 45' long. That is 7920#'s  just for one beam. They load in on the second floor about 24' off the road below. They will pass through small windows removed at the bottom of floor 2 to get into the building.8 new columns will be added basement to bottom of floor 3 (bottom of new beams) 16 existing beams will be cut, and a section removed to allow the new beams to be placed as high as they can. These 16 beams support the slab of the 3rd floor. That space has a operating store in it that will not be closing during the renovation of the space below. The total load on the 2nd floor after all the equipment, steel and men are sitting on it will be 125,000#'sShould be fun. Attached Images
Reply:Wow, what a job! Being a 1958 graduate of Anchorage HIgh School,  I find it mind boggeling just to imagine all the things that are involved in such a complicated project.  When will you start, right away or after breakup?I offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:looks like a very interested project!
Reply:we'd like to see lots of pics as it progresses.                                         thanks,                                                      mikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Man..You get all the fun jobs.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:So basically you're widening the stance on the 2nd floor to open up the middle?  More verticle beams closer to the outer edges and support the 3rd floor with horizontal beams? Trying to get my mind around the whole thing. "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:Originally Posted by nadogailWow, what a job! Being a 1958 graduate of Anchorage HIgh School,  I find it mind boggeling just to imagine all the things that are involved in such a complicated project.  When will you start, right away or after breakup?
Reply:Originally Posted by Fat BastardI got hear just after you graduated ...+ a decade or two. lol I wish it was after breakup I hate winter lifts.Must be turned over to the mall on May 1st so the new tenants can start the install of their case work. The big beams arrive from the east coast March 9th and they go in on March 22. This is in such a hurry I have 90,000#'s of steel purchased before I have a contract or final structural permit. The column in the photo will get a beam on each side tucked into the beams in the floor above. Also re. the picture it shows three beams intersecting at the column.  That column starts in the basement and continues to the roof, the new beams will run north south(left right ) in the photo, the beam that comes in from the direction of the camera (camera is looking west) and all the others running east west will be interrupted by the new beams. When people with big (big) money ask I guess we all kinda jump.Ill ask around and see if I can post some of the drawings.
Reply:let us know how it goes....If you survive after the roof caves in on ya.. Just kidding, it sounds like ya know what your doing...hopefully somebody does....
Reply:Originally Posted by dave powelson******1-Looks like that would be great place to setup HQ for your presidential campaign!2-You're a nice guy....and so am I.....BUT---when you tell us, This is in such a hurry I have 90,000#'s of steel purchased before I have a contract or final structural permit. That may be what nice guys do, but it's not what smart guys do.Lock these people into some manner of contract to cover your butt--it can be just a simple preliminary, that's separate and becomes attachment to the 'BIG CONTRACT' that's written, once all the little unknowns are sorted out. Win, loose or draw--they own that steel, etc. A decent deposit is wholly in order.If they're in too big a hurry to take 5 min's.---they will be problem people. Some big money people get a perverse pleasure from jacking around the rest of us 'SMALL' people. I've been thru all kinds of deals with 'big money', getting jacked around on MY MONEY. They always found time to get in a big hurry--to pay me--once they realized that this little piss ant was going to lien city in several days; or already had.
Reply:Originally Posted by 1awert1let us know how it goes....If you survive after the roof caves in on ya.. Just kidding, it sounds like ya know what your doing...hopefully somebody does....
Reply:FB do you know the construction manager, or the owner? My dad built some 28 malls & remodeled similar for the likes of General Growth, Jacobs - Kahn and some others I don't remember.They usually have their ducks in a row including bribeing local govt's.... But not always... Some of these nit-wits had larger legal dept's than construction...Good luck my friendMatt
Reply:Shoring is mostly in on the first floor to support the new beams, while they are making their way into the underside of floor 3.Pic 2 & 3 are of the W30x235 Camel's are 2 3/4" long. Attached Images
Reply:Some shop drawings of the big beams Attached ImagesApple@anchorage for fab 4.pdf (111.2 KB, 189 views)Apple@anchorage for fab 6.pdf (77.6 KB, 39 views)Apple@anchorage for fab 7.pdf (77.9 KB, 37 views)
Reply:Serious stuff there...Made in the U.S.A.?ABOUT TIME!!! ...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterSerious stuff there...Made in the U.S.A.?ABOUT TIME!!! ...zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by Matt_MaguireFB do you know the construction manager, or the owner? My dad built some 28 malls & remodeled similar for the likes of General Growth, Jacobs - Kahn and some others I don't remember.They usually have their ducks in a row including bribeing local govt's.... But not always... Some of these nit-wits had larger legal dept's than construction...Good luck my friendMatt
Reply:Hey FB,    If I pay to fly up there next season,  will you take me hunting?( Im already loading up my cases")JDLincoln IdealArc 250 AC/DC  w/ tigLincoln Ranger 8Miller Millermatic 140Victor Cutting setForney gas welding setMilwaukee power-tools3 legged dog named SpeedyFridge full of Diet Coke1 angry wife2 loud kids
Reply:Originally Posted by darthwelderHey FB,    If I pay to fly up there next season,  will you take me hunting?( Im already loading up my cases")JD
Reply:I have Googled 5th Ave Mall, and found the changes in scenery to be mind bogeling, when compared to my memories from the fifties.  The nieghborhood has changed, big time.As I recall, that was Wolf's Department Store.It looks like next weeks temperatures will be above freezing for your lifts.Last edited by nadogail; 03-17-2011 at 04:56 PM.I offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:I remember a Monkiewards in that area
Reply:Montgomery Ward's would have been after I left Anchorage,I offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:Originally Posted by Fat BastardSome shop drawings of the big beams
Reply:I haven't been around in a while. It looks like FB is running for president in 2012? I'd vote for FB!  SteveJunkYard Tools .com
Reply:Originally Posted by Donald BranscomAre those TOP views?A little difficult to tell at the size on the computer screen.Very kool project,    So, somewhere there is a structural engineer to help set the parameters of beam size and placement etc.  and U set the work up so it all stays together and in order  while in progress... more pics as it completes... ?  I suppose those big beams out in the snow could be called.... "Cold steel"  huh?  Couldn't help it, good luck FB hope it goes well.Lincoln Power MIG 215Lincoln WeldPak 3200HDLincon ProCut 25Lincoln WeldanPower 225 AC/DCIf all else fails... buy more tools
Reply:FB thanks for posting the prints for your job. I teach a blueprint reading class for welders at the local community college. Our welding course is aimed at teaching the students how to pass the UA21 and UA41 test. Since most of our graduates become pipe welders the sample prints that I use are mainly from the pipe industry but the prints that you posted are a good example of other kinds of work available.
Reply:Originally Posted by PapaLionVery kool project,    So, somewhere there is a structural engineer to help set the parameters of beam size and placement etc.  and U set the work up so it all stays together and in order  while in progress... more pics as it completes... ?  I suppose those big beams out in the snow could be called.... "Cold steel"  huh?  Couldn't help it, good luck FB hope it goes well.
Reply:Beams went in last night. 30T of steel divided between 7 beams.Next is lifting them up 13 feet and removing the columns. Attached Images
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Reply:Here is a wrinkle that I don't think I included. The four columns that are being removed, need to be split and jacked up 5/8".I we cut all the columns in half after installing splice plates with slotted holes and are going to jack the 3rd floor and roof up 5/8" tomorrow.See attached drawing. Attached ImagesDetail 8 E6.pdf (34.7 KB, 67 views)Apple Upfit Erection Sheets 2.pdf (95.6 KB, 54 views)Apple Upfit Erection Sheets 3.pdf (128.4 KB, 25 views)Apple Upfit Erection Sheets 4.pdf (92.8 KB, 24 views)Apple Upfit Erection Sheets 5.pdf (123.9 KB, 33 views)Last edited by Fat Bastard; 03-24-2011 at 07:31 PM.
Reply:man that looks like fun!....I would have loved to have been there....
Reply:Shots of the column stretching operation. pic 1-2 is the jacking pads installed. pic 3 is the jacks installed and the column cut in two. Remember that column is supporting the 3rd floor and the roof including snow load. Oh and the mall was open at the time so customers were in the store on the 3rd floor. When we got to about 3/8" lift the jacking got hard then the slab above snapped and the jacking got a lot easier  lol.  pic 4 is the column lifted 5/8" pic 5 is 3 more columns to go.And no that aint me way too skinny. Attached ImagesLast edited by Fat Bastard; 03-26-2011 at 02:11 PM.
Reply:So the beams go up 5/8ths", insert new beams and drop it a little? Do they expect it will all come down to the original height?"The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:Originally Posted by SandySo the beams go up 5/8ths", insert new beams and drop it a little? Do they expect it will all come down to the original height?
Reply:So here is the latest. We finished a week early. Thanks in large part to the workers from Local 751 Ironworker's.First pic shows the prep of the existing beams to allow for the new beams to slot into place.Last shows the beam being pushed into place. (they are out of order of progression sorry)I will get a photo this week of the finished room. Attached Images
Reply:Man, that is some serious stuff. Looks like a very interesting job.
Reply:heavy man, like way heavy!  I was a framing contractor back in the early 90's, residential only, and I hold a awning and canopy license now. I have done some pretty heavy r&r and lift and place stuff., but nothing even comparing to that. Hats off to you. Awesome job, working in the cold sucks IMHO.Mike
Reply:The cold wasn't a big deal but we had wind storms (100+ mph) all around the time of the lift into the space. Lucked out and they died down for that night.