Dynasty 200DX vs. Invertig 221

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Hi guys , so I've been struggling to decide which tig machine I should purchase for my first tig welder.  I was almost completely settled on the HTP and then I found out the store where I purchase my tools is having the dynasty 200dx on sale and they also emailed me a 10% off my next purchase coupon which brings the dynasty with contractor kit within about $300 of the invertig 221... So now I'm struggling again and I'd like to know what you guys would do in my situation.  I do like the auto line feature on the Miller, the HTP gives me 20 more amps...
Reply:I personally would go for the Dynasty 200, being a well proven machine..Really mature design by now.. It will hold pretty close to full value quite a bit longer then a HTP will.  The extra 20 amps is nice, but you could always add a bit of helium to your gas mix on a thicker aluminum job..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Have not heard of any issues with the HTP machines over the last several years. If it means $300 savings and 20 more peak amps for aluminum, I would take the HTP. It's one of the few machines I feel good enough to justify getting when comparing the top 5 brands. The dynasty is a great machine, the question I have is adjustability and functions; I beleive the HTP and Miller are pretty close on features.Helium is great, but in short supply and ever more expensive.And then, after so much work...... you have it in your hand, and you look over to your side...... and the runner has run off. Leaving you holding the prize, wondering when the runner will return.
Reply:Originally Posted by misterBHi guys , so I've been struggling to decide which tig machine I should purchase for my first tig welder.  I was almost completely settled on the HTP and then I found out the store where I purchase my tools is having the dynasty 200dx on sale and they also emailed me a 10% off my next purchase coupon which brings the dynasty with contractor kit within about $300 of the invertig 221... So now I'm struggling again and I'd like to know what you guys would do in my situation.  I do like the auto line feature on the Miller, the HTP gives me 20 more amps...
Reply:Originally Posted by kidtigger24I wouldn't bother with the contractor kit for the Dynasty 200DX. You can get a the pieces you want separately for cheaper. The contractor kit includes a case (which I never use), and a stick welding stinger (again I never use). If you have no desire to stick weld with the 200DX, you should stay away from the contractor kit.kidtigger24
Reply:Wow! That's a tough call!  Especially since HTP introduced the 221. Now, more than ever, it's on an even par with the Dynasty, which we all know, is the Cadillac of the 200 amp inverter machines. I have the earlier 201, and it's a great unit, I'm really thinking of upgrading to the 221 for the improvements between the 2. And, even though, unless you live close to the Chicago area, you pretty much have to deal with them thru mail order, they are great to deal with for customer service. I did a TON of research before I bought my 201, and couldn't find anything negative about them on all the forums, and websites I checked. My vote would have to be, go for the HTP.
Reply:Edit: the dynasty actually comes to about $70 more than the invertig... Hmmm tough call.  I'll let you guys know on what I decide to get.  I'll need to sleep on this.
Reply:Originally Posted by misterBEdit: the dynasty actually comes to about $70 more than the invertig... Hmmm tough call.  I'll let you guys know on what I decide to get.  I'll need to sleep on this.
Reply:Would be nice to see a 250 to 300 amp dynasty or HTP etc...What is the duty cycle ratings between the Miller and the HTP?Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawWould be nice to see a 250 to 300 amp dynasty
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawWould be nice to see a 250 to 300 amp dynasty or HTP etc...What is the duty cycle ratings between the Miller and the HTP?
Reply:If I may make an inquiry on this topic as well. Does the Dynasty have advanced functionality that Htp does not have that would be detrimental on certain jobs? Thanks.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPHere's my 300 Dynasty.
Reply:Originally Posted by GjertsonIf I may make an inquiry on this topic as well. Does the Dynasty have advanced functionality that Htp does not have that would be detrimental on certain jobs? Thanks.
Reply:Dynasty 100%.  No reservation there.  Many more features that you don't need to use but always can in the future, plus resale value and customer service second to none.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:OK I appreciate everyone's input and advice on this.  I'll be going with the Dynasty!  I'm very excited about this purchase guys, I can't wait!  One question about millers warranty though... Since I have a small limit on my credit card , my girlfriend will be putting it on her card and I'll just pay her the cash, but does that mean the warranty will be listed under her name?
Reply:Originally Posted by misterBOK I appreciate everyone's input and advice on this.  I'll be going with the Dynasty!  I'm very excited about this purchase guys, I can't wait!  One question about millers warranty though... Since I have a small limit on my credit card , my girlfriend will be putting it on her card and I'll just pay her the cash, but does that mean the warranty will be listed under her name?
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonI think the warranty would be under her name. Put the invoice and mailing address under your name, then have her give the credit card info. Tell the seller just that. And you keep the paperwork.Good luck on your purchase. The DynastyDX is a fine machine.
Reply:Originally Posted by misterBOK I appreciate everyone's input and advice on this.  I'll be going with the Dynasty!  I'm very excited about this purchase guys, I can't wait!  One question about millers warranty though... Since I have a small limit on my credit card , my girlfriend will be putting it on her card and I'll just pay her the cash, but does that mean the warranty will be listed under her name?
Reply:Originally Posted by Drf255I'd personally do everything in my power to put it on my own card.  Girlfriends come and go.  You run the risk of being held ransom if you ever need the warranty and you part with her in a non amicable way.  She could also theoretically say you stole the machine from her and take it.You could also call miller and see what they say.  I believe their warranty is not transferable, but they honor it anyway.  Even though you may not be the legal purchaser, if you are the first one to register a new machine, that may be enough.As cheesy as it sounds, get a bill of sale from her.
Reply:I too am struggling on which TIG machine to purchase. Dynasty 200DX, HTP 221, TA 186.If I buy one, its mac and cheese for a year. If I buy the other, It's hamburger or steak.Can I get the same Dynasty deal at your store that has the sale??Is there only one place to purchase the HTP?Thanks,JerryBoise
Reply:Originally Posted by rodderI too am struggling on which TIG machine to purchase. Dynasty 200DX, HTP 221, TA 186.If I buy one, its mac and cheese for a year. If I buy the other, It's hamburger or steak.Can I get the same Dynasty deal at your store that has the sale??Is there only one place to purchase the HTP?Thanks,JerryBoise
Reply:Interesting thread guys!  Thanks to all the HTP users who have complimented us on our products and service. I would like to set the record straight on a few things ….Power consumption at idle on the 221 is basically non existent.  I will try to post a reading in the next couple of days.  If you run the standard 220v Invertig 221 wide open at 220 amps, the machine will pull 36 amps out of the wall.  The curve is linear, so it pulls a little over 30 amps if you are welding at 200 amps.The 221 duty cycle is 20% @ 220 amps, 60% at 165 amps, and 100% at 145 amps.  200 DX is 20% @ 200 amps, 60% @ 150 amps, and 100% @ 120 amps, so the duty cycle of the 221 is better than the 200 DX. One slight benefit the Dynasty has over the 221 is the AC frequency goes to 250 HZ, where the 221 the AC Frequency goes to 200 Hz.  The 221 has 64 programmable memories, I could not find any information on the Dynasty on the Miller literature. A benefit the Invertig 221 has over the Dynasty 200 (in addition to 20 extra amps, a higher duty cycle, and keeping about $1000 of your hard earned money in your pocket), and you won’t find it until you go into the Dynasty 350, is the ability to independently vary the electrode positive and electrode negative amperage when welding in AC.  Lower your cleaning amperage, make your tungsten last longer and keep your torch cooler….Also, we have introduced a new series of water coolers, the Arctic Chill 5460.  There is a dual voltage model that will work with the DV, so you can run water cooled on both 110 volts and 220 volts.Jeff NolandDrive a LincolnDrink a MillerWeld with an HTP
Reply:It may not matter to the OP, but there is another difference between the HTP and Miller machines that some may value.The Miller Dynasty200 has their autoline feature.  While the HTP has dual voltage 110 or 220, the dynasty will operate on any voltage between 115 and 460; single or three phase.I have used my Dynasty in the shop and in the field and found it very handy to not have to worry about what power is nearby.  I've run it on 110V, 240V single phase, and 480V 3 phase, and found the performance to be excellent with any input power.Benson's Mobile Welding - Dayton, OH metro area - AWS Certified Welding Inspector
Reply:Ran the idle current draw on the 221 and the Fluke says it is 0.4 amps....Hardly anything at all.Jeff NolandDrive a LincolnDrink a MillerWeld with an HTPOriginally Posted by Jeff NRan the idle current draw on the 221 and the Fluke says it is 0.4 amps....Hardly anything at all.
Reply:The fan idles down when you aren't welding.  So it is on, but running slowly.Jeff NolandDrive a LincolnDrink a MillerWeld with an HTP
Reply:Originally Posted by Jeff NThe fan idles down when you aren't welding.  So it is on, but running slowly.
Reply:The Dynasty has the ability to change the wave pattern. A very handy option that I do use.Miller Dynasty 700Miller 350P with Aluma-pro push-pullMiller 280 Dynasty with expansion card Dynasty 200 DXMigMax 215 Enuff power and hand tools to create one of anything..... but mass produce nothing!!!
Reply:I think the Dynasty would the one the HTP when welding alun will only pulse 1-10 per sec. the Dynastywill go much higher!! and I see a lot of welders using much higher pules rates . that is if you are going to use pules?sport
Reply:Oh ya from what I can tell I'd definitely like to play around with pulse settings, I haven't received the welder yet but I'm excited about dialing it in and trying different parameters... As far as the HTP goes it has DC pulse up to 999 pps  but I'm not sure about on AC...
Reply:My question for the group is, how often do you use the unit on 115?Background: I'm new to this board, welding again after a long time doing other things;  but I joined specifically to learn about this topic. Like the OP I'm about ready to buy one or the other (already tried out a TA186; not for me, sorry). In my view features and reported reliability are comparable and plenty good enough. So dominant factors for me are price and future resale. Given these should cover anything I foresee,  trade/resale might be less important to me than  to some others.  However the price diff is narrow if I insist on 115V (DV option on the HTP, std on Miller).  First, I reason that pulling a special 30A 115V circuit is at least as much work as pulling 230. So realistically, the most frequent DV/autoline application will use an existing 15A or 20A circuit in some remote place (like, out in the sticks where my trailers and boats are stored).However, if I read the specs right, weld current would be limited to about 65A on a 20A breaker.  I haven't personally seen too much aluminum work that fits under 65A, so this would mostly need to come back to the shop. And for DC, a dedicated 90-100A lunchbox that runs on 115V  is not much more $ than the price premium for DV. So is the DV really a practical and useful option? (If not, HTP wins by a mile IMO).  Originally Posted by A_DAB_will_doThe Miller Dynasty200 has their autoline feature.  While the HTP has dual voltage 110 or 220, the dynasty will operate on any voltage between 115 and 460; single or three phase.
Reply:If I recall I think it was shovelon who said he could weld 100 amps all day long on a 115 and do short bursts at 120 amps without popping the breaker , I believe it was a 20 amp?
Reply:Originally Posted by misterBIf I recall I think it was shovelon who said he could weld 100 amps all day long on a 115 and do short bursts at 120 amps without popping the breaker , I believe it was a 20 amp?