Bought a dented dynasty 200dx

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I was contemplating buying a used dynasty 200dx and it was mentioned by a few that if I can go new I'd be better off being that its a common welder to scam. So for piece of mind I decided to buy new. The company that was mentioned as having the best prices actually did but they're based out if NJ and that's where I live so its an extra $250 tax. I went on eBay and found one not costing much more and it was from a company based in another state. I called up just to make sure and asked a few questions and felt comfortable buying it so I did. The guy said that for the extra $10 bucks or whatever it is if I buy from ebay ill have the buyer protection plan so that's what I did. This was Sunday and I received it today (Wednesday). I just opened the box and it is definitely new, looks new, smells new not a scratch on it, just a nice dent on the side. It's not very noticeable because its big and kind of looks like it was meant to be there. I held a strait edge next to it and it goes in like a 1/4". I suspect that it was a shipping incident because there's no scratches and almost looks like it was hit with something blunt while in the box. I don't care how it looks I'm just worried that something internally might have gotten damaged. I put the machine back in the box and called them up but they're closed. Even if I test it I am not even close to being a skilled tig welder to know if there is anything wrong with any of the controls this thing has. What would you do? Attached Images
Reply:I would contact the seller.  The interior components are not likely famaged, but unless they will discount it, I would send it back
Reply:Why does it say 200 and not 200DX on it. That would raise a flag for me.I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:I agree with cope. Let me tell you about my experience with inverters. I have an inverter that the warranty just expired and the circuit board decided to commit suicide. Circuit board plus labor is $1800 to repair.Also I know Miller will take their rental welders and refurbish them and sell then at some what reduced price. If the deal seems to good to be true it might be a refurbished welder. I live 35 miles from Miller and have seen refurb models in circulation. Just be careful what you buy.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeWhy does it say 200 and not 200DX on it. That would raise a flag for me.
Reply:Thanks for the info guys. I am most likely going to seal the box and ship it back. I don't know if something hit it or it was dropped. Either way I don't want gamble with this, that's the whole reason I bought new to begin with. I didn't get a super deal. It was the cheapest new one on eBay. Wasn't that many to pick from. It was $3,080. And weldermike I thought the same thing and googled images of 200dx and every one I saw just said dynasty 200.
Reply:Originally Posted by kctgbAlso I know Miller will take their rental welders and refurbish them and sell then at some what reduced price. If the deal seems to good to be true it might be a refurbished welder. I live 35 miles from Miller and have seen refurb models in circulation. Just be careful what you buy.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeWhy does it say 200 and not 200DX on it. That would raise a flag for me.
Reply:In my humble opinion no inverter is worth $3000.
Reply:Originally Posted by kctgbIn my humble opinion no inverter is worth $3000.
Reply:Originally Posted by kctgbIn my humble opinion no inverter is worth $3000.
Reply:Originally Posted by Showdog75Another thing, my little inverter will weld circles around your transformer hands down.
Reply:Hey Steve, its me Ray. I called you the other day. I appreciate the advice. Yea ill send it back. I was surprised that it came in a box with nothing to protect it... just cardboard.
Reply:Originally Posted by 66myndHey Steve, its me Ray. I called you the other day. I appreciate the advice. Yea ill send it back. I was surprised that it came in a box with nothing to protect it... just cardboard.
Reply:Originally Posted by usmcruzYou obviously never owned a dynasty!
Reply:Definitely send the welder back! Its too expensive to accept a damaged one, and it will kill the resell value on your investment. It's also very possible that the 1/4" deep dent could have hit the edge of a circuit board or something.  Originally Posted by kctgbIn my humble opinion no inverter is worth $3000.
Reply:Originally Posted by Kelvin...for about 3 minutes at 150A before you have to let it cool for 7 minutes ... Meanwhile, the guy with the "stone age transformer" can run it at 150A at 100% duty cycle all day long
Reply:As far as inverter vs. transformer, I guess it really depends on what your doing. I'm working on a 30 story renovation project. We (ironworkers) are installing steel beams throughout the building. We have a bunch of CST 280's and they're light weight and easy to move around. We aren't welding in the same spot for more than a day. We wont use anything bigger than a 5/32 rod @ like 160 amps. On the other hand the steam fitters have been mostly on the same four floors for over 8 months. They have big old millers that never move which I'm sure were either really cheap to buy relative to the inverters or have been around for 30+ years. Last company I worked for had the old Lincoln bullet style machines from like WWII. They sucked to move around but would never die. After welding with one of those for a few months then going to an inverter was like night and day.
Reply:I spent the better part of a half hour talking to a guy a couple days ago that repairs inverters. He told me he won't own an inverter because when one little component burns up on a circuit board everything gets fried on the board. He tells me the average boards cost between $1200 to $1800 to replace. He also tells me if I want to buy a welder that will last buy a transformer welder.I think I will take his advice. I'm on my second inverter. The last time I bought a transformer welder was twenty five years ago. I wonder how many inverters that are 25 years old are still being used.
Reply:Remember when automatic transmission came out? Everybody said they wouldn't last! Now you talk to people all the time who never even seen a 3-speed on the column, or even driven a 4-speed. Times change. Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749I buy, repair & sell 15+ year old inverters quite often, have little to no trouble with machines I that I sell. Yes, inverters are susceptible to electronic failure, but overall they are very reliable & have been proven in heavy industry.What he told you is partially correct. Being inverters are interdependent systems, sometimes a significant failure does indeed take other things in the system out. In many cases however, the machine can be reasonably repaired if its gone about in the right way.The Dynasty line has overall enjoyed a very solid success, much the same as the XMT line has as well. All a matter of what someone wants as far as a welding machine goes.IMHO of course
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPRemember when automatic transmission came out? Everybody said they wouldn't last! Now you talk to people all the time who never even seen a 3-speed on the column, or even driven a 4-speed. Times change.
Reply:Originally Posted by Kelvin...for about 3 minutes at 150A before you have to let it cool for 7 minutes ... Meanwhile, the guy with the "stone age transformer" can run it at 150A at 100% duty cycle all day long
Reply:Originally Posted by Showdog75Simply not true. Compare a miller synrowave 200 to a dynasty 200.
Reply:66mynd, I would send it back too!. . Its a shame that you have to go through this! Originally Posted by 7A749Yeah, send it back & get another one. I wouldn't risk a possible problem or even want to look at that dent after paying 3K for a new welder.Originally Posted by Kelvin...for about 3 minutes at 150A before you have to let it cool for 7 minutes
Reply:Originally Posted by kctgbI have a dynasty that wont work.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749That is about the long & short of it. That's why I found it somewhat odd that someone who repairs welding equipment for a living, especially inverters would question their performance to the point of refusing to own one. The XMT line is by far the most widely used, abused & proven inverter machine on the planet. The Dynasty on its heels. Then you take an old machine like a Maxtron 450, built back in the early infancy of inverter manufacture, tens of thousands (possibly even hundreds of thousands) of them built in a period of roughly five years & were literally the back bone of robotic MIG welding for the better part of nearly two decades. Many 17+ year old Maxtrons still burning wire day in & day out in heavy fabrication industry today.Sure, no system is absolutely perfect, but quality inverter machines for the most part are very reliable & their record in industry has clearly proven it. Miller has undoubtedly taken the lead in inverter manufacture much the same way Lincoln has in SMAW consumables & CC engine drives..Yeah, send it back & get another one. I wouldn't risk a possible problem or even want to look at that dent after paying 3K for a new welder.Good luck with it. Glad the feeder has held up well for you too.IMHO of course
Reply:Originally Posted by KelvinI was comparing a Dyn 200 to a Sync 250 since they're basically at the same price point.150ASync 250 – 100% Duty CycleDyn 200 – 30% Duty Cycle200ASync 250 – 60% Duty CycleDyn 200 – 20% Duty Cycle and WFO310ASync 250 – *Shrug*Dyn 200 –  "Dream On"About 8¢ more than yours.
Reply:Originally Posted by usmcruz, we burned up 7 xmt's in 4 years!  Not bulletproof, bullet resistent!
Reply:Originally Posted by kctgbI have a dynasty that wont work.
Reply:Guys being hard on welders got me to thinking. I didn't actually see it happen, but seen the results. A guy took 4 Lincoln Commander 400 engine drives back to the yard on a 2-ton flatbed dump, someone took the yard forklift down the street to do something. Guy driving the truck was in a big hurry to get off loaded. He unchains the welders, and hits the dump lever!Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPThat's not saying much. I worked with guys day in and day out who could break a cannon ball with ease!
Reply:I just got in contact with them. They offered to send out a replacement side piece (doesn't eliminate any possible internal damage) or I can ship it back and either get a replacement shipped to me or get refunded. The guy just wanted to make right with me so I'm shipping it back for a replacement.
Reply:Originally Posted by Kelvin...for about 3 minutes at 150A before you have to let it cool for 7 minutes ... Meanwhile, the guy with the "stone age transformer" can run it at 150A at 100% duty cycle all day long
Reply:more important than size is weight. my passport is half the weight of the 211 it replaced, and has a smoother arc to boot.Dynasty 200DXPassport plus w/ spoolmate 100victor 315c oxy/(act and prop)Miller digital elitemilwaukee power tools
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749What were they being used for? CAC is a great way to severely shorten the life of just about any inverter.
Reply:Originally Posted by rlitmanFind me a transfomer the size of a Dynasty that can do 150A at 100% (or one that can do 150A at all).
Reply:Originally Posted by misterBStrange Kelvin, my dynasty 200 says 60% at 150 amps? I must have gotten a good one?Sent from my mobile device while pooping
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Yeah, it can happen. To get that many failures is a little out of the norm, at least as far as my experience goes. At the same time, if they were being pushed at top end welding big aluminum at the frequency you mentioned, larger machines might be a solution to that issue. Running them on single or three phase?
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749XMT 304 or 350?Maybe need to step up to an Invision 456 POr, how about a Maxtron 450  (see sig line.....)Strange stuff. If they're 304 machines, I can see the stress factor. That's gonna be pushing the top end of that machine to do that.This has been quite the informative thread!!
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Awwww, ain't nuthin you guys can't handle!!  I totally understand the portability thing. That's what the helpers are for!
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPRemember when automatic transmission came out? Everybody said they wouldn't last! Now you talk to people all the time who never even seen a 3-speed on the column, or even driven a 4-speed. Times change.
Reply:Yep, the hydra matic. Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPYep, the hydra matic.
Reply:Originally Posted by Showdog75I want to watch you throw your sync in the back of your truck then go to a boat dock and carry it to the far side of the dock and repair stainless railing on a boat in a slip.
Reply:Kelvin I think the point guys are making here is that a dynasty 200 is a very versatile and portable machine that can be used almost anywhere.  The synchrowave is an awesome machine, and the dynasty is like a synchrowave compressed into a small package with more options.  Sent from my mobile device while pooping
Reply:Originally Posted by usmcruzPretty much everything but mostly used for mig welding aluminum using and Miller gun and a turtle.
Reply:Originally Posted by misterBKelvin I think the point guys are making here is that a dynasty 200 is a very versatile and portable machine that can be used almost anywhere.  The synchrowave is an awesome machine, and the dynasty is like a synchrowave compressed into a small package with more options.
Reply:I'm def planning on buying either a Dynasty or the HTP inverter machine. Hopefully within the next year. I have mainly used tranformer based machines other than the CST 280's we have at school.... I recently had a chance to use the one Dynasty we have...  After about an hour of messing around with the settings and running beads I am convinced that there really is NO comparison from a good transformer machine to an inverter based machine like the Dynasty. I/m sure I barely scratched the surface of what the Dynasty could do...The Dynasty really showed the difference at low amp settings when I welded soda cans together, it was sooo much easier than the Precision tig or My Square Wave... absolutely NO comparison.Lincoln pro mig 180Lincoln Square Wave Tig 300/wp 20/home built water cooler Victor, Purox, Harris, O/A welding/cutting setupsVintage Craftsman drill pressVintage Craftsman/Atlas 12"x 36'' lathe7''x 12'' w/c band saw Everlast 140 st