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38' goose neck trailer with sliding axles Attached Images
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Reply:That is one nice job , can u explain the reason for the slidding axle ? Keep the pics coming.
Reply:WOW, someday, SOMEDAY........... I hope to have the skill to do something like this or similar.MarkI haven't always been a nurse........Craftsman 12"x36" LatheEnco G-30B MillHobart Handler 175Lincoln WeldandPower 225 AC/DC G-7 CV/CCAdd a Foot Pedal to a Harbor Freight Chicago Electric 165A DC TIG PapaLion's Gate Build
Reply:Originally Posted by Swamp ratThat is one nice job , can u explain the reason for the slidding axle ? Keep the pics coming.
Reply:I got in trouble for diamond shaped reinforcement plates. Interested to see why it works here but not on my design. I guess I-beam is better suited for them?
Reply:In trouble from whom?  What did you use the plates on if not I?  C, tube, flat?
Reply:Rectangle tube. I guess its not really trouble its in my recent post. A couple guys are going to do a write up on how my diamond reinforcing causes stress risers. Although I based it on what I have found time and time again on WW. Just interested to see what they have to say and how it compares to this other example.I dont mean to sound like a smartass if it sounds that way just figured since another diamond reinforced design came up I would mention it.
Reply:looks good, i hope it pulls good
Reply:I'm here to learn, just like everyone bud.  I find it really hard to take people as a smartass online.  Too hard to convey inflection and tone.I'm gonna look at your thread and see what you got happenin. I don't think I've ever run plates (of this particular fashion) over square.  I always tend to bump the wall thickness on square if I feel the need for additional reinforcement.  To me, just opinion, if I'm using tubing, I want it to look finished to a certain degree and the plates make it hard to do that.  Keep in mind that on the new cart I made for my Powemax 65, I ground all the welded joints, sanded, bondo'd and made body finish smooth before paint...  I am a bit OCD about my work and anything with my name attached to it.
Reply:Originally Posted by SkeluhtorI got in trouble for diamond shaped reinforcement plates. Interested to see why it works here but not on my design. I guess I-beam is better suited for them?
Reply:I believe others mentioned a problem with skeluhtors diamond shaped plates wasn't so much the shape as the sharp corners. I was taught to make fish plates with rounded corners. ( this not this <.Ranger 250 GXTSmith Gas Axe
Reply:I went back and looked at that other thread.  I'm gonna focus on just the plates.  In my mind, yes the canoe trailer does have potential for cracking at those plates.  I don't think rounded or sharp corners would matter.  As that little 600lb trailer is bouncing down the road, suspended by that long fulcrum (tongue), its going to pick up some serious vibrations.  It inherently needs to have some flex in it.  Those fish plates won't flex like the rest of the tongue and therefore will bear the brunt of the harmonic forces.  The above trailer is completely different in every aspect.  What can and does work for one particular application won't and doesn't work for all.In a perfect world, I would have cut the whole tongue off and installed a new, continuous piece.  Unfortunately, we live in an inperfect world and some times you gotta do what you gotta do.
Reply:Originally Posted by SkeluhtorI got in trouble for diamond shaped reinforcement plates. Interested to see why it works here but not on my design. I guess I-beam is better suited for them?
Reply:Thanks for the build pictures. I like the pin mechanism for the sliding axles. What thickness of UHMW is it riding on? Once finished how hard is it to flip right side up?  I assume you have an over head crane.
Reply:almost a shame to waste that nice frame putting triple axles under it.   That trailer would be sweet with dual tandems shoved under it.Vantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Nice trailer, giving me ideas for when I build my own some day. What process did you use to weld it?72 Chevy Cummins Project94 3500HD Welding Rig build Sold NOV 2011
Reply:Originally Posted by Dualiealmost a shame to waste that nice frame putting triple axles under it.   That trailer would be sweet with dual tandems shoved under it.
Reply:Just curious, is that last 8' or so going to be a beaver tail as it looks like I see a hinged section and brackets for ramps? Awesome job.
Reply:Originally Posted by forhireThanks for the build pictures. I like the pin mechanism for the sliding axles. What thickness of UHMW is it riding on? Once finished how hard is it to flip right side up?  I assume you have an over head crane.
Reply:Originally Posted by MrBeastNice trailer, giving me ideas for when I build my own some day. What process did you use to weld it?
Reply:Originally Posted by trapperjohnJust curious, is that last 8' or so going to be a beaver tail as it looks like I see a hinged section and brackets for ramps? Awesome job.
Reply:Originally Posted by Stick-man+1And that looks like it will be one HEAVY trailer.
Reply:Very nice build... but why tripple axles instead of tandem dualies?Wow, this is awesome.  I am always intrigued by things that are different from what I usually see.  In this case, the sliding axles.  The mechanics of how it works is what I enjoy pondering over.  How exactly would you move the axles?  Is it just metal on metal that you slide by hand or are there some sort of bearings or rollers I don’t see?  Would you have to take most of the weight off the axle assembly to move them? For instance, maybe jacks at all four corners of the trailer?  Just curious, sorry if it is obvious and I just don’t see it.
Reply:First off - NICE JOB by the OP on that trailer.  It appears to be a very stout unit.Second - To Skeluhtor - You did not "Get in trouble" .. This is the real world, not grade school, so adjust yourself accordingly.  By your comments in this thread, you have again demonstrated your ignorance of basic, sound welding principles.  For the record, I am not a fan of the OP's use of diamond plate repads on this project either - From my training, they are incorrect, but there is a HUGE difference between a skilled welder using a diamond repad on an I-beam trailer frame, and a fly-by-night beginner using one on a cobbled up neck extension that is sketchy to begin with. I am fairly confident that with the quality of work shown building this trailer, it will be fine.  In spite of your immaturity, I will still scan and post the material in the other thread, but if you keep this foolishness up, I won't bother attempting to help you improve in the future.Thirdly - I suspect that sliding the axles would be done the same as any OTR trailer - Knock the pins out, apply the brakes on the trailer, and move the trailer back and forth above the axles using the power unit. Some have Teflon strips to aid movement, some are metal on metal but it is HARD on equipment.Using dolly legs is a novel idea at first glance, but in reality, you will just end up stranded with bent dolly legs. I never cared for sliding bogies on Class 8 Trailers myself, luckily the picker trucks usually pulled them, and I had Scissor Neck Lowboys, Flip over Beaver Tails, or Manual RGN Wheelers, but that is another story unrelated to this one.X3 on the Tandem Dually wheels, but I am not the customer buying it, nor do I know the intended use.In any event, I appreciate the effort put in, and the craftsmanship shown.  Nice.Later,Jason
Reply:[QUOTE=kustomizingkid;520804]Very nice build... but why tripple axles instead of tandem dualies?[/QUOTE\The reason being for three axles is because that's what I had on hand at the time of build. I would have prefured tandem dualies but due to my budget that is why I used three axles
Reply:Originally Posted by springer 45Wow, this is awesome.  I am always intrigued by things that are different from what I usually see.  In this case, the sliding axles.  The mechanics of how it works is what I enjoy pondering over.  How exactly would you move the axles?  Is it just metal on metal that you slide by hand or are there some sort of bearings or rollers I don’t see?  Would you have to take most of the weight off the axle assembly to move them? For instance, maybe jacks at all four corners of the trailer?  Just curious, sorry if it is obvious and I just don’t see it.
Reply:Originally Posted by Black WolfSecond - To Skeluhtor - You did not "Get in trouble" .. This is the real world, not grade school, so adjust yourself accordingly.  By your comments in this thread, you have again demonstrated your ignorance of basic, sound welding principles.  For the record, I am not a fan of the OP's use of diamond plate repads on this project either - From my training, they are incorrect, but there is a HUGE difference between a skilled welder using a diamond repad on an I-beam trailer frame, and a fly-by-night beginner using one on a cobbled up neck extension that is sketchy to begin with. I am fairly confident that with the quality of work shown building this trailer, it will be fine.  In spite of your immaturity, I will still scan and post the material in the other thread, but if you keep this foolishness up, I won't bother attempting to help you improve in the future.
Reply:Originally Posted by Black WolfX3 on the Tandem Dually wheels, but I am not the customer buying it, nor do I know the intended use.In any event, I appreciate the effort put in, and the craftsmanship shown.  Nice.
Reply:Originally Posted by SkeluhtorI dont see how I am immature. How else would I sum up what was happenig in another thread without high jacking this one? I was simply explaining my interest in hearring how this design compared. I even went out of my way to make sure no one thought I was being a smart ***.I would have just Pm'd you to get your input but there where other people involved and figured I would include the group. Thanks for jumping to conclusions and insulting me. With all of my immaturity I will not get upset or insult you.
Reply:Originally Posted by tigwelderWIlets not have a pissing match if you want one. Take it back to your own thread.
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Reply:I can only comment on what I can see in the pictures, but that appears to be a very well constructed trailer.  I am seeing a lot of attention to detail, and craftsmanship not seen in a "Production" Trailer.Very nice.Later,Jason
Reply:Man she is looking sharp. I like how you have the spring assist for lifting the dove tail.72 Chevy Cummins Project94 3500HD Welding Rig build Sold NOV 2011
Reply:Was it built on spec? or for a client.   Decking will be planks? You set the brakes on the wheels and then remove the pins and slide it rear or forward using the truck, right? Oh by the way.... WOW! Aprox hours to complete it?Lincoln Power MIG 215Lincoln WeldPak 3200HDLincon ProCut 25Lincoln WeldanPower 225 AC/DCIf all else fails... buy more tools
Reply:Wow, you know the ins and outs on building trailers. Beautifully planned and executed.  One question I have about the triple axle vs tandem duals is how does the wear and tear on tires (cupping and scrubbing) compare between the two?  I imagine that in this case this trailer will be mated to a peice of equipment, ie load will always be the same. In the case of having one heavey duty trailer which hauls loads of various weights would a tag axle setup, (raise and lower tires off the pavement) similar to cement mixing trucks be beneficial to expenses involving tire wear and tractor mileage. Or , am I over thinking this..........Sweet trailer. Very impressive, seems like you are a mini version of a shipyard.MLM
Reply:Very nice heavy duty trailer, and thats a sweet idea on the sliding axels. Shift them to suit the load, real nice.
Reply:Originally Posted by PapaLionWas it built on spec? or for a client.   Decking will be planks? You set the brakes on the wheels and then remove the pins and slide it rear or forward using the truck, right? Oh by the way.... WOW! Aprox hours to complete it?
Reply:Makes me want to start upgrading my trailer.
Reply:Originally Posted by DRBJR... and thats a sweet idea on the sliding axels. Shift them to suit the load, real nice.
Reply:looks great. someone correct me if I'm wrong, but does the spare drop out the bottom under the deck?Am I looking at that right?
Reply:Very nice build.  But as someone that hauls a 32' gooseneck that is loaded down (and overloaded sometimes) I wouldnt want to have triple singles.  They are so quick to bind on sharp backing angles.   It's really hard on tires, bearings, and spindles.Lots of toys.
Reply:Originally Posted by Birdwell4looks great. someone correct me if I'm wrong, but does the spare drop out the bottom under the deck?Am I looking at that right?
Reply:Great looking trailer.  Nice to make something nice for yourself once in a while vs. always making something for everyone else.---No good deed goes unpunished---
Reply:WOW! I wish I had the talant and a place to build something of this magnatude.Very nice work
Reply:Originally Posted by MrBeastI am going to throw in my .02 on the axle setup, with a triple axle, single wheel setup, you get a good payload capability, but you only have to buy 6 tires. If you are doing a lot of towing, and only need the load bearing capacity the 6 tires will bring you, why spend the money on the 2 extra tires all the time?Also the more tires you have on the ground, the more rolling resistance you have, and if you are towing every day all day with a trailer, this will make a difference. It might mean 1/4 to 1/2 a MPG, but you tow it 200,000 miles, and that is a difference you can feel, especially with 4.00 a gallon fuel.  The other reason I see for making the trailer a triple axle instead of a tandem dual is that the trailer is a slider, and the frame on the slider is positioned as wide as possible, and there is a reason for this, with the narrower frame required to fit tandem duals under the trailer, I could see binding becoming an issue if you had a load that put weight to one side of the trailer.
Reply:Very nice looking trailer!  I am curious how well the sliding axles work out, especially when loaded heavy and trying to slide them. Only problem I have ever had on triple axle trailers is tight turns and peeling a tire off the rim when loaded heavy. That and when you have a flat, you cant "limp" it in to a tire shop like you can on a dual tire trailer. I really like the way you closed in all the light mounts. I am currently replacing all the light mounts on 1 my 40' G/N right now similar to like have down, hopefully to eliminate corrosion headaches. Lots of nice details like the spare tire mount, wide heavy rub rails with stake pockets and pipe spools- hard to find stuff on the store bought G/N trailers