The Cost of Materials!!!

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Down here in san diego the cost of metal is staggering. I buy from an outfit in Escondido.....Last time I was down there 20ft of 3/8 by 2inch angle iron with a discount was upwards of $90!! Does this sound about right??Esab Multimaster 260Esab Caddy160IEsab 161 STLESAB powercut 650Esab 220i tigLincoln Precision Tig 225Lincoln IdealArc 250INE SKYLINE 1500Klutch 140iMEASURE TWICE IS FOR MORONS
Reply:I sell standard stock shape L WF Flat for about $1.00 a pound.
Reply:Oh absolutely its nuts.  I've actually lost a few jobs because of the price of steel.  Its nuts here in PA and NJ.Some Blue , Some Red & Some GreyProverbs 16:2-3.2 "All a person’s ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the Lord. 3 Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and he will establish your plans."
Reply:Same here in Long Beach----BIG BUCKS !!!!  Try to pay cash only, they might cut you a deal, bring em a six pack, bribe em !!! Expect the price to go up too !!! The guys here told me metal costs have tripled in the past 10 years !!!! and they are expecting another price hike !!!
Reply:I just priced it out and Joe Schmo would pay 63.98 per piece, and I can get it for 54.98metalmart.biz (located in Lehi, UT)The Lord has declared, "This is my work and my glory--to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man"  Moses 1:39Link: My name is John, and I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.-- ColdCreekWorks.com --
Reply:Try buying 3-5/8  HPS 70W 1.05 LB  angles and channels run .70-.80 cents , steel is not  bid a   14ft deep plate girder last week @2.05 lb 70 W and was 20% high . John
Reply:Originally Posted by Fat BastardI sell standard stock shape L WF Flat for about $1.00 a pound.
Reply:Hmm, I just bought a 4'x2' plate of 1/2" and 20' of 2"x2" with 3/16" wall for about $300.Lincoln Square Wave 175
Reply:Standard shapes of hot rolled run about 90¢ a pund here."The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:i bought 3 sticks 1 1/2" x 1/4" angle, $36 per stick. paid cash, they cut it in half and loaded it.tackleexperts.comwww.necessityjigs.comhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/mach...dingequipment/
Reply:Last week bought 60' of 1"x1"x1/8" angle (unpainted, cut to 10' lengths) - $37 including taxes.Hobart LX235Victor 250 Oxy-Acetylene Rig (welding and cutting)Bobcat 773F-350, 1999, 4x4, 16' 10K# trailerOutdoor Wood Burner - 10 cords/year
Reply:It's $.82 per lb. right now at the only local place. You are looking at 100 miles one way or more if you don't like those prices.
Reply:Just out of Curosity when you guys go to the Steel Yard, how much do they charge you to cut steel?  To cut a 20' piece of Angle iron in Half, or to punch 3/4" holes on plate, or to shear a piece of Sheetmetal?Some Blue , Some Red & Some GreyProverbs 16:2-3.2 "All a person’s ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the Lord. 3 Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and he will establish your plans."
Reply:Originally Posted by DieselDon16Just out of Curosity when you guys go to the Steel Yard, how much do they charge you to cut steel?  To cut a 20' piece of Angle iron in Half, or to punch 3/4" holes on plate, or to shear a piece of Sheetmetal?
Reply:The place I go charge $7.00 per cut for anything, to whack a 20' piece of Angle iron in half to put in the back of a truck or to do any kind of cut of Punch.  (When your the only Whore in town you can be ugly) And there Fugly in my opinion.Some Blue , Some Red & Some GreyProverbs 16:2-3.2 "All a person’s ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the Lord. 3 Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and he will establish your plans."
Reply:Just off the top of my head 2x2x3/8 angle 20 footer 55-60 bucks out the door.Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:[QUOTE=DieselDon16;561599]The place I go charge $7.00 per cut for anything, to whack a 20' piece of Angle iron in half to put in the back of a truck or to do any kind of cut of Punch.  (When your the only Whore in town you can be ugly) And there Fugly in my opinion.they'd never get it out of me. id bring my 18v sawzall and cut it on the ground ..
Reply:who do you use don?
Reply:I haven't priced any steel lately (no shop at the moment) but the one bummer thing is, the only place that sold steel by the foot, quit selling steel and only do scrap now.  The only other place to buy steel you have to buy it by the sheet or stick, no cutting. The place that would cut it would be a little higher price, not crazy, but higher than the other place per foot, and they wouldn't charge you for cuts, but you also wouldn't want them making any precision cuts for you.  You ask for 6', it's usually 6' 1/8"- 6' 3/4".  When I get back into a shop I'm going to break down and invest in a good sized band saw and start advertising steel by the foot, I've got the trailer I can handle a 20-24' stick of steel and I know people around here are hurting for cut steel.
Reply:1"x1"x 24' stick of 14 ga square tube was $25 yesterday including 1 cut to cut it in half.
Reply:I haven't been in the fab business for a number of years, and when I was, I wasn't doing the metal buying. Now I'm getting in to this on my own, and the best place to buy is of great concern to me. The 1/2" plate I mentioned earlier - I calculated the rough weight of that thing, and I paid about $1.14 a pound. That was cut, and the edges cleaned up nicely and loaded in my truck so I don't feel too bad. And the place is close to my work, and the office lady knew a couple of other guys that I know. This seemed to be a good start to a working relationship. She let me take some scrap 1/4" stuff for free to for practice welds. (I need it - it's been awhile as I said.) A nearby weld shop that carries some scrap steel sold me a 3/4" plate 4ftx8in. Odd size but I can find a use for it - I got that for .37 a pound ($30). And this is a big city with lots of little hole in the wall metal yards. Guys at work all have a favorite place that they think is best so I'll have to investigate.Lincoln Square Wave 175
Reply:Hey Macvance, it seems a bit high to me, where are you buying from? I can get you round pieces of 1/2" plate up to about 4' for 30 cents a pound.
Reply:Walker:I went with Tolleson Steel because they're close to my work. Got the scrap at Vern Lewis. What you're describing is round plate? Are these left over from some project? They sound like manhole covers.Lincoln Square Wave 175
Reply:[quote=weldbead;561606] Originally Posted by DieselDon16The place I go charge $7.00 per cut for anything, to whack a 20' piece of Angle iron in half to put in the back of a truck or to do any kind of cut of Punch.  (When your the only Whore in town you can be ugly) And there Fugly in my opinion.they'd never get it out of me. id bring my 18v sawzall and cut it on the ground ..
Reply:Originally Posted by macvanceHmm, I just bought a 4'x2' plate of 1/2" and 20' of 2"x2" with 3/16" wall for about $300.I don't recall what I paid last time, but I don't pay for cuts if I buy the whole chunk of whatever they have that I am buying.  I usually just ask that the whole 24' foot stick or sticks I am buying be cut in half (so I can get it back to my shop).  I have never been charged for that.This discussion brings to mind a question I've had.Suppose you are manufacturing something and want to cut your local metal monger middleman out of your cost equation.  Where does he get the metal from, and what kind of minimum orders are involved?  Perhaps he isn't marking up the metal by much, but rather keeping the doors open and lights on with other value added services?"Great spirits have always encountered violent oppostion from mediocre minds."  --  Albert Einstein
Reply:next time you're on the road and you see a flatbed loaded with material;  pull along side of the cab and see what the name of the co. is.you should not expect much if you're only buying a stick of square tubing.  (on a side note if they are charging you for the cut bring an extension cord and a portable band saw with you and cut it yourself).if you are at your local supplier and you see a rig come in loaded with material make a note.if you are in the yard ask one of the employees what company delivers their material.  they love to talk.another thing that always surprised me, since in the past i have had to order large amounts of aluminum, is how, for instance, the boat people think that they have to order their aluminum from someone that is affiliated with the marine industry and pay extra for the privilege.  now that's a bunch of nonsense, it's all the same.  i have put in orders for a few hundred dollars at some large suppliers and for much better pricing than you would get at the local specialty vendors. the 5052 they're selling is no different than the stuff you get somewhere else. there are some big outfits down here that will fill an order for a hundred dollars.   just be a business, have a name and credit, they'll talk.  even better, frequently they'll deliver. (watch for gas surcharges)about six months ago i needed 20 lengths of 5 x 5 1/4 wall steel tube 50 feet long.  i found an outfit in alabama with the material (they could give me a partial and fill in a week).  driving down 95 i see a truck with some long pieces of tube.  i called the number on the side and got a complete fill on the order and saved 12 cents a pound.  keep your eyes open
Reply:1 cut per stick is a freebie.
Reply:Only place in town, Modern Welding two weeks ago sold me 1/2" flat X 5" X 20' for $155 tax included. All cuts are free.
Reply:I just paid 23.00 for a 20' strip of 3/16'' x 2'' flat. Cut was freeYa gotta spend money to make money!
Reply:I just bought a bucket...................it weighs about 47,000 pounds and cost 294,000.00, comes out to 6.25 per pound fabricated,,,, not bad6 Miller Big Blue 600 Air Paks2 Miller 400D6 Lincoln LN-25's4 Miller Xtreme 12VS2 Miller Dimension 812 4 Climax BW-3000Z bore welders Hypertherm 65 and 85Bug-O Track BugPair of Welpers
Reply:Originally Posted by ExpatWelderI just bought a bucket...................it weighs about 47,000 pounds and cost 294,000.00, comes out to 6.25 per pound fabricated,,,, not bad
Reply:Originally Posted by ExpatWelderI just bought a bucket...................it weighs about 47,000 pounds and cost 294,000.00, comes out to 6.25 per pound fabricated,,,, not bad
Reply:There's a BIG scrap metal yard about 20 minutes from here, and I get quite a bit of stuff there. There's metal lying all over the ground as well as several scrap piles the size of a two bedroom house. EVERYTHING. Rods, angles, tubes, pipe, tanks, wire, you name it. 20 cents a pound. A couple of caveats:1. This is probably one of the most dangerous places in the world. There are jagged, 10,000 pound chunks of metal on those piles the size of a pickup truck, just WAITING to come down on you. Not to mention the stuff you can step on. 2. Most of the stuff is extremely dirty, covered with mud, grease, paint, etc.  It's also easy to accidentally get a piece of galvanized metal without realizing it (because it's so dirty). You try to run some 6011 on it and end up poisoning yourself with the fumes. THINK about what you're picking up - don't go metal crazy.
Reply:Also call around. i called a few places this morning for the following:1.25x1.25x.065 square tube. HREW24'Price per stick1. $382. $253. $224. $175. $31
Reply:Originally Posted by DieselDon16The place I go charge $7.00 per cut for anything, to whack a 20' piece of Angle iron in half to put in the back of a truck or to do any kind of cut of Punch.  (When your the only Whore in town you can be ugly) And there Fugly in my opinion.
Reply:Originally Posted by welderShaneI just paid 23.00 for a 20' strip of 3/16'' x 2'' flat. Cut was free
Reply:Originally Posted by jim cafarelliDown here in san diego the cost of metal is staggering. I buy from an outfit in Escondido.....Last time I was down there 20ft of 3/8 by 2inch angle iron with a discount was upwards of $90!! Does this sound about right??
Reply:Originally Posted by jmanWow... That's Brutal!Sounds like you should open up a shop and import some good quality Steel from further away!  I can't believe how much money some of you guys have to spend on Steel (especially you guys in POPULATED areas)..  ... And charging $7bucks to cut a stick is plain 'wrong'.
Reply:hey i know i'm knew to this stuff but is there a good website or book that can teach me the basics right from the start. i have to put this rack toghether soon. it seems pretty basi welding
Reply:Originally Posted by hairdoochi don't know. i just bought my first mig wlder on amazon 5 minutes ago and i am planing on using it to make some material racks for my shop. never welded before. just liiking forwar to learning a new trade. but I do buy some material up here in orange county and that souds like it about right. is it stailess?
Reply:Originally Posted by hairdoochhey i know i'm knew to this stuff but is there a good website or book that can teach me the basics right from the start. i have to put this rack toghether soon. it seems pretty basi welding
Reply:Yeah it sucks, but they are the only place around (and they know it)  and in my opinion there customer service sucks.  When you go there its almost like your bothering them.  Like I said, "When Your The Only Whore In Town You Can Be Ugly".Some Blue , Some Red & Some GreyProverbs 16:2-3.2 "All a person’s ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the Lord. 3 Commit to the Lord whatever you do, and he will establish your plans."