Water cooler for TIG

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I have a Dynasty 200DX and am now looking into possibly getting a water cooler. After looking around, I'm not completely sold on the Coolmate 1, although I haven't ruled it out. I found a package deal that has a Dynaflux Tiger watercooler with it. Is a Dynaflux watercooler good, or should I get the Coolmate 1? I read the Coolmate is very loud. Does anyone know if Dynaflux coolers are loud?kidtigger24  They think I’m crazy, but I know better. It is not I who am crazy. It is I who am MAD!
Reply:I have one I bought from arczone a few years ago.  It keeps up with my Ta 185   http://www.arc-zone.com/index.php?ma...oducts_id=3550I just bought a Linicoln Cool arc 40 for my V 350  Welding at 250 amps with a #18 torch, the water does not get over room temp.It depends on how much welding you are going to do.   Hours on end?  Get the bigger one.DavidReal world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:Bigger is better as it gives more cooling time during circulation. As for noise level you can always insulate it!  JMOAEAD 200LE, Lincoln precision tig 185, Millermatic 251, Spectrum 625 extreme, Victor torch , Smithy 1220LTD. and  Do all C-4 band saw ,  Always adding.
Reply:Like with anything...The more the merrier!!...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by David RI have one I bought from arczone a few years ago.  It keeps up with my Ta 185   http://www.arc-zone.com/index.php?ma...oducts_id=3550I just bought a Linicoln Cool arc 40 for my V 350  Welding at 250 amps with a #18 torch, the water does not get over room temp.It depends on how much welding you are going to do.   Hours on end?  Get the bigger one.David
Reply:The one you are looking at will be fine.  It maxes out whe I max out my TA-185 for hours.  Portable water cooled torch?   Fancy for me. If it needs that much work, I have them bring it to me.The cooler listed in not loud.  My lincoln IS.  So is the V350 to the point I sometimes use earplugs.Buy it, put distilled water in it and use it for life.  I think I have had mine for 4 or 5 years.  I paid $660 for the whole kit if that tells you anything.Real world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:I didnt read the whole thread but you can build your own for half the price of what is sold that is a recurculating system for much cheaper than the store bought, just sayun
Reply:I believe that is the same one I have (http flavor). Works good and not that loud. My torch doesnt even get warm. Check out my http review in the tig section. I made a couple videos.Hobart Handler 210 with SpoolgunHypertherm PM30 PlasmaHTP 221 Tig WelderHF BandsawHF Auto Dark Helmet
Reply:Why not make your own water cooler setup? I made mine for $200 including a new WP-20 water cooled torch with lines.It's very very quiet too.http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=58517Last edited by MikeGyver; 01-28-2012 at 10:48 PM.Welding/Fab Pics: www.UtahWeld.com
Reply:I just got the coolmate 1.   I don't thinks its that loud at all.   Certainly quieter than the ac arc.  Why don't you see if you can go see one in action.  I tried a WP20 for the first time this weekend.   I now understand why people use them.  The 17 feels like its attached to a piece of 3/4" steel cable.  The 20 is light and flexible.Edit: just saw you live in CT.  If you're gonna be near LI, pm me and you can try mine out.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Originally Posted by MikeGyverWhy not make your own water cooler setup? I made mine for $200 including a new WP-20 water cooled torch with lines.It's very very quiet too.http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=58517
Reply:Originally Posted by MikeGyverWhy not make your own water cooler setup? I made mine for $200 including a new WP-20 water cooled torch with lines.It's very very quiet too.http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=58517
Reply:Originally Posted by kidtigger24Mike,Thanks for the link. After seeing that, I think it would be better and cheaper to build one for my existing cart. So you don't have any problems with it keeping cool without a heat exchanger?kidtigger24
Reply:Originally Posted by MikeGyverNo heat issues whatsoever.I'm not a fabrication shop so I'm not under the arc for half an hour continuously or anything but I do a fair bit of aluminum at full power (200amps). I'll blast away until the repair/fabrication is over and neither the water temp or the torch have ever heated up even a few degrees despite the fact of there being no heat exchanger.
Reply:Nice, let us know how it goes.Welding/Fab Pics: www.UtahWeld.com
Reply:Thanks for the cooler design idea. Re: corrosion, why not just weld the tank and fittings from copper? Call me slow, but I don't get why you would want aluminum in the system at all.Regards,Karl in LA
Reply:Originally Posted by atgThanks for the cooler design idea. Re: corrosion, why not just weld the tank and fittings from copper? Call me slow, but I don't get why you would want aluminum in the system at all.Regards,Karl in LA
Reply:I suppose, but the guy on the other thread seemed convinced that the copper ions from the torch were the main issue causing the corrosion. I'm assuming there would be issues between those ions and 316 stainless also. I seem to recall some article on a guy hired by Old Milwaukee to reweld all the stainless caps onto their giant copper tanks with a brass band patch due to galvanic corrosion.Re: shurflow pump specs, from your 20oz at 32psi I'm guessing this 12v pump with a 45psi bypass built in would be a good solution. What do you think?http://www.ebay.com/itm/ShurFlo-12VD...item3cd8c4cc8c
Reply:That pump will work fine.Keep in mind that you don't really want to use the internal pressure switch for regulating pressure. It'll turn the pump on and off every second. For that pump you'll need about 3.3-3.8volts @ 2 or 3 amps to make 50-60psi, then it'll just chug along happily all day.Welding/Fab Pics: www.UtahWeld.com
Reply:OK I have no idea how that "45 psi bypass" feature works. Maybe I should just find a pump without that feature, unless I can learn something specific about it.Thanks again.
Reply:OK I figured it out. You are correct about using the pressure switch, which would cause rapid cycling of the motor in this application, unless a pressure accumulator were used.But the pump I linked to has the "bypass" feature, which would be perfect for keeping the output at 45psi continuously at a small flow rate. So I could just power it with 12v (or 115v if I can find that pump).From the Shurflo website:PRESSURE SWITCH OPERATIONThe pressure switch reacts to outlet pressure, and interrupts power at the preset shut-off pressure indicated on thepump label. When outlet pressure drops below a predetermined limit (typically 15-20 psi.[1-1.4 bar] less than theshut-off pressure), the switch will close and the pump wil operate until the shut-off (high) pressure is achieved.The shut-off pressure is set to factory calibrated standards. See the motor label and Product Data Sheet for specificpump specifications.If the plumbing is restrictive or the flow rate is very low, the pump may re-pressurize the outlet faster than the fluidis being released causing rapid cycling (ON/OFF within 2 seconds). If the pump is subjected to rapid cyclingduring normal operation, or for infrequent periods, damage may occur. Applications which exhibit rapid cyclingshould have restrictions in the outlet minimized. If not feasible consider a SHURflo Accumalator or a SHURflo"bypass" model pump.BYPASS OPERATIONA bypass pump may be used for applications that normally induce frequent start/stop of the motor, and thereby create apotential for overheating. Models equipped with an internal bypass are designed to pump at high pressure while at lowflow rates. Bypass models equipped with a switch may operate for several seconds even though the outlet side has beenclosed off. Contact SHURflo for information regarding bypass pumps.
Reply:Very interesting, that might work really well. Run it off 5 volts so the motor isn't pumping 10 times more than necessary, and there will still be plenty of flow to bleed off for regulation. The motor will also last longer.If you get one let us know how it works out.Welding/Fab Pics: www.UtahWeld.com
Reply:Originally Posted by MikeGyverVery interesting, that might work really well. Run it off 5 volts so the motor isn't pumping 10 times more than necessary, and there will still be plenty of flow to bleed off for regulation. The motor will also last longer.If you get one let us know how it works out.
Reply:I got an old washing machine motor and hoses then reduced the size of the hose down to the torch hose size and ran the water out from a 20 ltr drum at the bottom with the water returning to the drum at the top.All it cost me was my time.Hope that helps.Dave
Reply:Originally Posted by kidtigger24This is the kit I was looking at. I want it mainly so I can switch to a smaller torch that will handle 200 amps and still be very portable. My 17 style torch gets hotter then hell when pushed passed the rated 150 amps. Is it very loud?Wouldn't insulating a cooler just lock in the heat and cause it to run longer?kidtigger24I should have said i got an old washing machine pump instead of motor. When i hooked it up without reduction hoses it blew a 2" jet of water some ten feet. I was amazed. Even when it is reduced it still would give me at least  5 ltrs a minute. In a 20 ltr plastic drum i cut a 2" hole in the bottom to allow for the hose fitting to be inserted. Got hose fitting i had lying around and screwed one inside going to the outside and connected the Washing machine hose to that and to the pump. It works damn fine.  Cost nothing basically because i salvaged bits and pieces.The only drawback is that its only suitable for a shop type environment. Only because it is a little bulky with a bucket of water on the back of the machine. I would like to hear what others have to say about my setup.
Reply:Cool about the washing machine pump. I can believe it would blow the hoses off. It must have an internal bypass or it seems like the motor would burn out pretty quick being choked down like that. Now all I need is a broken washing machine...Last edited by atg; 12-19-2013 at 06:50 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by atgCool about the washing machine pump. I can believe it would blow the hoses off. It must have an internal bypass or it seems like the motor would burn out pretty quick being choked down like that. Now all I need is a broken washing machine...