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Got a Volvo oil pan to repair this AM...I just LOVE IT when I get it and it's just pulled off the motor and that's that..Just drain it out and give it to him..I guess the aluminum tape patch just 'aint gonna work....After fighting with it to get the adhesive off AND the layer of epoxy under it I got it clean enough to proceed..Could not get to the inside to clean it AT ALL (see pic 1) so this will have to do.Next post.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:This was a very good casting (For once) to weld on..Seeing as I could not get to the inside we just proceed like we did..I went up the side first to deal with the crack and then I just went around in circles on the hole until it was all closed up..Then I hit it with the die grinder to take the top layer off then gave it the treatment one more time..Ground it down one more time and filled it up with a quart of Acetone and let it sit for 1/2 HR..Did not bother grinding down the crack in the side...Not needed..No leaks..Works for me.Now to deal with the oily MESS all over my table..Oh well.I get all the fun jobs.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:at least he used aluminum tape instead of duct tape.repair looks good.
Reply:Clean as best as you can, plan on the first several passes being crap and rely on them to 'trap' some of the crud, remove (grind out) the crappy passes, repeat until you actually get good weld passes.Yup. The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Nice repair.
Reply:Good job zap, I just did a bell housing the same way, but with two holes like that. Nice work as usual I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:How much is a new oil pan? I realize that some folks are willing to take a chance on losing an engine from an oil out situation, but what was the difference between the price of the repair and a new pan? Was it an availability issue, maybe? Without trying to start any animosity, it just seems like a huge liability risk if something happens and the oil leaks out. If it leaks, you bought yourself a Volvo engine. I'm sure them puppies arent cheap either. Any of the shops I ever worked in had a policy against repairing a pan, even with an oversized drain plug kit. They just didnt want the liability of a part failing. I also would defend Zap as the best guy to do it right, but others might see this and attemp some Zap magic and end up in a fix. Just an opinion from a different point of view.BobI'm spending my Kids inheritance, I dont like him that much anyway!!!!!!Enuff tools to do the job, enough sense to use em.Anybody got a spare set of kidneys? Trade?
Reply:using mr. beckett's theory, just about everything has liability. you could weld a shelf on someones bookcase, have it break, a big book could fall and give someone a concussion (or maybe knock some sense in them). competent people make intelligent decisions and repair stuff properly every day, thank god! in the eyes of the lawyers, chicken little was an optimist. lets be careful, but don't fall into that mindset or all talent will be crushed. regards, tom.
Reply:Originally Posted by RbeckettHow much is a new oil pan? I realize that some folks are willing to take a chance on losing an engine from an oil out situation, but what was the difference between the price of the repair and a new pan? Was it an availability issue, maybe? Without trying to start any animosity, it just seems like a huge liability risk if something happens and the oil leaks out. If it leaks, you bought yourself a Volvo engine. I'm sure them puppies arent cheap either. Any of the shops I ever worked in had a policy against repairing a pan, even with an oversized drain plug kit. They just didnt want the liability of a part failing. I also would defend Zap as the best guy to do it right, but others might see this and attemp some Zap magic and end up in a fix. Just an opinion from a different point of view.Bob
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Reply:Nice fix as always Zap.I'm amazed that you got it full of that much residual oil.I haven't done much to cars, but it seems to that there isn't that much of a chance of the pan spontaneously exploding. Heck, if aluminium tape and epoxy had been working to some degree, a fix like this would be solid.keep up the good work zap. I love seeing the work you guys do!
Reply:I love real life "fix this" posts, especially with aluminum. As a relative noob I did a repair for my neighbor. One of the legs on his chop saw broke off. Jb weld and whatnot later it ends up on my bench. As my first repair I was proud to bring it back to him better than new. You never forget your first one! Nice work and thanks for the post zapMiller diversion 165Miller mig 211Hypertherm pm 30Milwaukee 6230 14 inch chop sawMd 45 mag drill (RIP; fell on its head)New MD 45! Thanks to the esposa!Finally got an O/A setup
Reply:Thanks for posting, thats one way to return a useless part to service. This IS Welding Web, not What Would You Do? PeterEquipment:2 old paws2 eyes (that don't look so good)1 bad back
Reply:Thanks guys!As far as it leaking?Me no worried.Not my first face off..The Acetone treatment after the fact tells me everything I need to know.BUT what I would LIKE to know is "How did it get the hole in the first place?"And they wanted it right away..The car was taking up the lift!...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by dbl612 Competent people make intelligent decisions and repair stuff properly every day, thank god! in the eyes of the lawyers, chicken little was an optimist. lets be careful, but don't fall into that mindset or all talent will be crushed. regards, tom.
Reply:Geezzzzzzzzzzzze!I forgot the specifics..120 amps wide open (Maybe)..Had to downshift the machine...1/16" 5356 filler..3/32" Red...You DO NOT want to go about this with lots of heat..Just enough to "Get things moving"..Patching a .090 thick pan don't need heat it needs finesse..(I could have added a patch over the hole but what fun is that?)Just get it to melt around the edges and add filler as you go.Too much heat all at once and you have a huge problem on your hands..Go slow and EASY or else you wish you never said "Yeah..I can fix that"...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:If it happened to crack, (which is unlikely, but I am just responding to RBeckett's post) the owner would likely notice an oil spot, or puddle on his driveway long before the sump level on his dipstick would noticeably move. A catastrophic, sudden release of all oil contents in the sump is not going to happen unless the owner drives it over a rock or something.From my experience from owning various "oil leakers", it takes quite a lot of leaking (you will notice it on the ground wherever you park) to actually necessitate needing adding to add a quart to the sump in between oil changes.Looks like you did a decent job, Zap, (and were time-efficient on it as well with your strategy of not needing to access the inside.) The hole probably gave you a little access to be able to clean in there. If you left any oil in the back side of an aluminum weld would, I think it would have given you a pretty bad (high in porosity) result.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterBUT what I would LIKE to know is "How did it get the hole in the first place?"
Reply:Time to order replacement pan from Europe or who knows where, maybe a week or two...??? Time to get it fixed, stamped RUSH, one day. ***RUSH***RUSH***RUSH*** City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:yeah, I'm with duane, floor jack slip or maybe doing motor mounts with a tranny jack to the oil pan not realizing how thin the pan is there... "yeah, get this fixed real quick man!" good looking repair, why acetone? much thinner than oil to check for seepage?miller 330a bp TIGmiller dynasty 200DX TIGmillermatic 185 MIGthermal dynamics cutmaster 101 plasma cuttersnap-on YA5550 plasma cutterhypertherm powermax 30 plasma cutterbaileigh CS225 cold sawetc....
Reply:Originally Posted by turbocad6good looking repair, why acetone? much thinner than oil to check for seepage?
Reply:Zap, a question from someone aspiring to TIG: do you mind describing your pre-weld cleaning process? Seems like even a hint of residual oil would FUBAR the weld. Was there oil in the crack on the side of the pan, for instance?Thanks
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55An improperly placed floor jack. Customer due to pick it up in an hour. That's my guess.
Reply:Originally Posted by asdfZap, a question from someone aspiring to TIG: do you mind describing your pre-weld cleaning process? Seems like even a hint of residual oil would FUBAR the weld. Was there oil in the crack on the side of the pan, for instance?Thanks
Reply:Why don't people have enough sense to at least try to clean things like this off before they bring them in for repair, just a quick trip to the car wash would help. Most people just don't get it do they, A friend of mine said something to me today that may add years to my life, he said " I gave up on having high expectations of people that way I am never disapointed or surprised" That about says it."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251 Syncrowave 300 30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200 1 short hood SA250 SAM 400After welding about 15 aluminum bell housings that were brought to me just off the car I made a sign that said,, Dirt and oil removal, One hour extra charge Per Item. Then someone brought me an aluminum Pump housing to weld that had been pumping Bitchmo. and it took me two hours to clean enough to weld. Mac
Reply:holy crap thats a whole.... I would just buy a new pan since it's off the car anyway, but they probably didn't have the time to wait for it.. You did good, glad I taught you all I know. www.thefusionsolution.com
Reply:Originally Posted by speedfreak87holy crap thats a whole.... I would just buy a new pan since it's off the car anyway, but they probably didn't have the time to wait for it.. You did good, glad I taught you all I know.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterDraw out the oil first with heat (NO OXY OR PROPANE TORCH PLEASE) ....zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by dbackporque no sorry for the dumb question.......(fire haz???)
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterWhen are you going to make some bungs for me?...zap!
Reply:Welding-$85 per hour. Parts cleaning $175 per hour, 4 hour minimum. You bring it in clean or you pay for it Jack!Lots of toys. |
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