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ok guys time to build a new building. ideas on what u guys think i should use. i want it to be all metal because ima weld the whole thing. im gonna be using a thermal arc 252i so, tig, mig, stick. any metal. doesnt really matter. heres what i need some idea of tho: walls, supports, size(length, width, height), floor, etc. thanks guys.
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Reply:Originally Posted by GumpI'm gonna go make some popcorn.
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Reply:Originally Posted by greersftwok guys time to build a new building. ideas on what u guys think i should use. i want it to be all metal because ima weld the whole thing. im gonna be using a thermal arc 252i so, tig, mig, stick. any metal. doesnt really matter. heres what i need some idea of tho: walls, supports, size(length, width, height), floor, etc. thanks guys.
Reply:Originally Posted by StampederI'll bring lawn chairs, umbrella and set up the barbecue....Texas smoker style.....
Reply:greersftwWe have 'popcorn'.We have a 'big batch of popcorn'.We have stadium seating, shade, and a 'barbie'.greersftw  -  What are your site conditions?.Flat, sloped, bare, timbered, where does the suncome up, and what is your elevation.  How many sq./ft., how much ground do you have, and how close are your neighbors?Provide these parameters, and this forum will design your building.The material and welding part is easy; the design, and where you put it is the hard part.OpusLast edited by OPUS FERRO; 09-01-2012 at 12:36 AM.
Reply:i have a guy that i work with who does grading work and owns a bobcat and can make the ground as level as possible. there are enough trees around to keep the sun away at all times so im not sure where it comes up, nor the elavation. neighbors are fairly close and that is why i was hoping to have an enclosed building. but i am also not sure of how big i want it to be bc i have never had to make a welding shop before. i mean, its not a building im putting my lawnmower and a few tools in. its something ill be WELDING IN. so idk what i should make my parameters.
Reply:After grading, what will the soil be?  Expansive clay?Will you be ordering concrete or mix on site?  Do you know how to tie rebar?Do you need a building permit for  your area?Have you considered the rafters for the roof?  Trusses?  Can you design a truss?What is the snow load that you are considering?There are a lot more questions that I could ask, but I recommend that you look into the pre-fabricated metal buildings.  The market is very competitive and prices are cheap.
Reply:Originally Posted by FegenbushAfter grading, what will the soil be?  Expansive clay?Will you be ordering concrete or mix on site?  Do you know how to tie rebar?Do you need a building permit for  your area?Have you considered the rafters for the roof?  Trusses?  Can you design a truss?What is the snow load that you are considering?There are a lot more questions that I could ask, but I recommend that you look into the pre-fabricated metal buildings.  The market is very competitive and prices are cheap.
Reply:We have all learned from our mistakes.  Every time I think something will be "not real good, but good enough for a while", just something to get by; I frequently come to regret my penny wise "cheaper is better" attitude.  $10 Harbor Freight Grinders are disposabile, buildings are not.I had some very good advise from an old hand when I asked him about buying a new tool box.  He said "Buy the biggest tool box you can afford, you will fill it eventually".  I think the same would apply to building a welding shop, if you are sucessful you will outgrow a small cheaply built shop.  Do not use 14 Guage wire, you will outgrow 15 amp circuits.     Sign me "Been There, Done That"I offer three choices: Good, Fast, & Cheap. You may pick two.Hobart AC/DC StikMate LXHarbor Freight AD HoodHarbor Freight Industrial Chop SawDeVilbis 20 Gallon, 5 HP Compressor
Reply:now the only thing is nadogail is that the home my wife and i live in is not permanent. she is in school so till she gets out we will not have a "final" place to live. so i rather not pay a few thousand dollars on a building when i can spend a couple hundred and have practically everything i could need that i can get from work (steel yard). i have been looking alot of building and things up and i could buy something that would be put up and then taken down and put back together. but making it and then taking it down, selling the scrap, and buying more would be so much easier and itd be like i never spent any $ to begin with. u know what im saying?
Reply:Originally Posted by greersftwok guys time to build a new building. ideas on what u guys think i should use. i want it to be all metal because ima weld the whole thing. im gonna be using a thermal arc 252i so, tig, mig, stick. any metal. doesnt really matter. heres what i need some idea of tho: walls, supports, size(length, width, height), floor, etc. thanks guys.
Reply:uhh - metal floors? unless i am loosing it wouldnt it be cheaper and faster to prep yourself and pour a slab/footing for the building?You cant have a building that does not sit on a foundation of some sort -- what is it going to rest on?? huge friction piles? Pre-fab buildings sell for a reason -- they ARE the cheapest solution....Miller Dynasty 300 DXMiller CST280Miller Maxstar 150 STH
Reply:except like i state earlier, i am pouring 100 ft into my back yard of a place i dont planning on living at for anymore then the next year. and i cant exactly get to the spot i am putting this at with a concrete truck let alone want to for somewhere i will be leaving end of next year. THAT is a waste of money.
Reply:Originally Posted by greersftwexcept like i state earlier, i am pouring 100 ft into my back yard of a place i dont planning on living at for anymore then the next year. and i cant exactly get to the spot i am putting this at with a concrete truck let alone want to for somewhere i will be leaving end of next year. THAT is a waste of money.
Reply:not of the building no. i will be tearing it all back down and just buying a new one then or making something A LOT MORE STABLE AND PERMANENT.
Reply:You should just lease a sea container. its like $75 a month for a 20 footer.Miller Dynasty 300 DXMiller CST280Miller Maxstar 150 STH
Reply:I've gotten concrete into all sorts of "inaccessible" places. Where there is a will there's a way. You'd be amazed over what kind of terrain a front loading Oshkosh can drive with big floatation tires. I've bucketed concrete with backhoes and georgia buggies and pumped it all sorts of places including over the house and thru a basement and down the hall of a commercial building. 100' is nothing for a pump... If you can get crushed stone to the location, you can get crete there. I've also wheeled 10-15 yards of crete personally on some jobs around to the back of the house in a wheelbarrow if that's what it took to do the job. ( I will admit I'm getting way to old and out of shape for that any more)If you opt not to go with crete, then at least I'd go with crushed stone or asphalt. Dirt sucks, especially in the winter when the ground freezes. It turns to a slippery mush even if it's "dry". The cold will pull all sorts of moisture out of "dry" ground and as soon as it warms up even a little bit from the sun ( temps can still be well below freezing) it will start to melt. Take it from someone who's spent way to many cold winter days laying on "frozen" ground in the mud working on equipment.Steel floor.. look up perforated steel plate. The military uses it to build runways capable of taking heavy lift aircraft. Prep the grade, and lay the plate. I'm betting Sundown could give you all the details if you asked nice. If you can't get PSP, then road plates will work, but they are harder to level out. Laying on a steel road plate is like laying on the floor of a subzero freezer in the winter...Honestly I have to agree with everyone else. I've done any number of "no budget" shop alterations and they always come back to bite you in the end. Usually they end up costing more than if you just went ahead and did it right to begin with. For a temporary "shop", I'd vote for buying a container or two. When you are ready to move, you put all your junk in the container and move the whole thing. Two containers with a "carport" between them would work well. Several guys have posted up similar work areas here in the past.If you want to build a "real" shop, at least add your location to your User CP so we know where you are roughly. How deep you need to make your footings will vary greatly depending on your location and frost line.Last edited by DSW; 09-06-2012 at 08:57 PM..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Don't try to build it with what ever metal you have around. Build it with what metal buildings are made of.6" purlanes are good to 20' spans when 5' apart. 8" purlanes are good to 25' spans when 5' apart. If you built a 20'x20' single slope roof then you would need only eleven 20' purlanes, 7 in the roof and one in each wall. Two of the purlanes will be rafters and have weld clips welded on every five feet and be on top of your pipe columns. Put four 2 7/8' pipe at least 30" in the ground. two pipes need to be 20" higher than the others to make a 1 in 12 pitch which is normal for metal buildings. On 2 7/8 pipe, one side is about a 1/4" higher than the other for your cut to fit 1 in 12.At the bottom of the wall, running level will be an angle welded all the way around with 3/4" rebar hammered into the ground and welded to the angle as well as being welded to the pipe. Your tin will set on this angle and be screwed to it.Here is a picture of a simple building built in this way. I built this one by my self in 3 days and I was sixty when I built it. This one is 15x40 and is a loafing shed for horses. I build around 20 of these a year. Attached Images
Reply:now silverado, and dsw as well as bob all have ideas i like. the containers arent a bad idea because like i said, i want something temporary. and even if i did want to move them i could just have them "picked up" and taken to my PERMANENT home.(prob is my wife and i live with her gma right now, very embarrassing. lol) but anyways, and the 2 with a carport is also a very good idea DSW. or even if i got one and took the beams/poles that bob said he is using and stuck 2 in the ground a few feet away from the container and maybe put a few sheets of diamond plate across it would work as well. and then once i have actually moved i could still perhaps continue to rent the container, as a "storage container" for my tools and everything till i build that building bob showed at whatever size i want. and inclose it. w/e i want to do then. ideas, thoughts and possibilities i guess would kinda become endless then. but i could then pour concrete and do as i wish. these ideas are extremely helpful guys. if i can remember ill get pics up of the yard and where i want it so u can see some of the difficulties ive been talking about.
Reply:If this area is so un-accessible that you can't get concrete back there in any manner, then how do you expect to get things like steel, a welder, or any other building materials back there? Or a shipping container for that matter... Why are you so worried about pouring a permanent slab? If you plan on moving soon and building a bigger and better shop, then you wouldn't want to bring the old shop with you anyways. And an out building will more then likely add value to your property.
Reply:well..1. i can get a pick up truck back there to bring my welder. seens how im running a thermal arc and its light enough that i can just carry it, and ill probably be using a generator as a power supply and can put wheels on it then that solves that prob. 2. im sure i can manage sum way 2 get the container back there let alone getting steel. i dont plan on doing this alone sooo.... we can carry it. and if i bring the container with me to keep my tools, welder and w/e else is in there dry and safe from weather and humidity. lets just let the people with ideas throw em out there and the people with criticism and just find somebody else to annoy. and im not trying to add value to a property i dont plan to stay at especially own.
Reply:If you are planning to build a building, make sure to have a personal storage on it. This is to keep all your important papers, documents and other important materials on it. Sometimes we forget other small things that we thought are not that important.
Reply:thats a good point craig. def useful for storing any blueprints or sketches of ideas or things i want, plan or need to build.