Miller mm211 mvp 220/230?

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Saw this on a review on Cyberweld web site:"I bought this machine to upgrade from a 130amp machine, so I could use thicker material in my artwork. I liked that it could switch between voltage inputs, but I misunderstood 230V to be 220V, which is what I have in my shop, so I can't use the 230V option (230V seems not common for home use, I'm not sure why they didn't make it 220V). However, using 110V it has plenty of power, I can weld 14" material no problem. It's very easy to use with the auto-set function, my welds have improved alot just by using this machine.Pros:Auto-set is easy to usePlenty of powerCons:230V plug instead of more common 220V"I assume this guy is just referring to the plug. And if so why wouldn't he just make an adapter? I think the plug design is more of a amp limitation for 220/230vac then what you would normally see on a typical welding or dryer 220/230 rated at 30 to 50 amps.Clausing 5914Bridgeport J headMiller Syncrowave 250DXHypertherm Powermax 65Quency QT-5 80 gallonHorizontal bandsaw
Reply:Just pulled up the 211 spec sheet on Cyberweld and looks like it show 3 plugs one of which is or looks like a regular 50amp welding type plug!Clausing 5914Bridgeport J headMiller Syncrowave 250DXHypertherm Powermax 65Quency QT-5 80 gallonHorizontal bandsaw
Reply:He is confused fo' sho'The 230v MVP plug that comes with the MM211 is a standard Nema 6-50 Plug found on just about every 220v,230v,240v welding machine that comes with a power cord installed by the manufacturer.220v, 230v, & 240v are all the same thing110v, 115v, 120v    same thing as wellThere are several 240v Plugs & receptacles to match amperage ratingEd Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Originally Posted by badvetteJust pulled up the 211 spec sheet on Cyberweld and looks like it show 3 plugs one of which is or looks like a regular 50amp welding type plug!
Reply:If you ever put a meter to your outlets to check actual voltage, you will find that what a lot of people call 110/115 V AC is in fact 120 V AC. Same with 220/230, it is really 240 V AC. This is probably where this guy's confusion is coming from. He thinks his MM211 is 220, and if he plugs it into 240 it will fry something, so he is stuck using it as a 120V AC mig instead of 240V AC MIG. In this case he could have saved himself some money and got a MM140 W/AS and been just as well off. He will never use the 211 to it's potential until he plugs it into 240 V. I bet he's to scared to try that though unless someone convinces him differently. I guess he is just eat up with the dumb asp.
Reply:It he has it at a 'shop' he might have 3 phase and then 208.I suspect an inverter that can handle 110 - 250 can handle 208.I'm not one for ripping people off.  I'd contact the guy, tell him you think he's wrong (in a nice way) but if he insists he's right offer to take the problem welder off his hand Con Fuse!Miller Dynasty 350Millermatic 350P-Spoolmatic 30AMiller Multimatic 200Hypertherm PowerMax 1000G3Miller Maxstar 200DX
Reply:Originally Posted by con_fuse9It he has it at a 'shop' he might have 3 phase and then 208.I suspect an inverter that can handle 110 - 250 can handle 208.I'm not one for ripping people off.  I'd contact the guy, tell him you think he's wrong (in a nice way) but if he insists he's right offer to take the problem welder off his hand
Reply:Nominal voltage in the US is supposed to be 115/230/460.Depending on location it can be higher or lower.My "115V" is 119V so I have 119/238.Most equipment can handle variation within this range from nominal.Since an electrical circuit limits amperage not voltage (within its rated range i.e. using at least 300V wire for a 230V circuit) a 230 circuit that actually measures 240V is good for about 5% more power.The reviewer on Cyberweld.com needs an education.JoeMiller Syncrowave 200Mac/Miller MW130 MIGKalamazoo bandsawCincinnati Arrow 500 VMCColchester Dominion 15 x 36 lathe with 2 axis DRO
Reply:Most input voltages show + or - 10%.
Reply:Originally Posted by scudzukiNominal voltage in the US is supposed to be 115/230/460.Depending on location it can be higher or lower.
Reply:I don't know what the problem or debate is here.  I think the original review was from a confused poster and I also think the OP is confused as well.  As others here have already clearly stated, in AMERICA, that Miller 211 will work on ANY household 240V single phase  (aka: "220, 230v") outlet with a NEMA 6-50R outlet like this one:....because the Miller 211 comes with a NEMA 6-50P plug like this one:Unless the welder is going into a true "shop" in an industrial area not zoned as "residential," there is virtually zero chance of plugging that welder into a 3-phase 208V outlet.   Traditional homes in America are not wired for 3 phase.Recapping "220v" terminology:  "220v" = "230v" = "240v"  It's all the same thing.Recapping "110v" terminology:  "110v" = "115v" = "120v"  It's all the same thing.  ***NOTE:  ("single phase," and  "three phase" are NOT the same thing and something listed as "208v" is "usually" a sign that the motor is a 3-phase driven motor which is NOT able to run on "220v" houshold current).  --I'm trying to keep it simple here!Lincoln Power Mig 216Lincoln AC/DC-225/125Miller  625 X-Treme PlasmaMiller 211 Forney 95FI-A 301HF 91110Victor Journeyman O/PMilwaukee DaytonMakita  Baileigh NRA Life Member
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcI don't know what the problem or debate is here.  I think the original review was from a confused poster and I also think the OP is confused as well.  As others here have already clearly stated, in AMERICA, that Miller 211 will work on ANY household 240V single phase  (aka: "220, 230v") outlet with a NEMA 6-50R outlet like this one:....because the Miller 211 comes with a NEMA 6-50P plug like this one:Unless the welder is going into a true "shop" in an industrial area not zoned as "residential," there is virtually zero chance of plugging that welder into a 3-phase 208V outlet.   Traditional homes in America are not wired for 3 phase.Recapping "220v" terminology:  "220v" = "230v" = "240v"  It's all the same thing.Recapping "110v" terminology:  "110v" = "115v" = "120v"  It's all the same thing.  ***NOTE:  ("single phase," and  "three phase" are NOT the same thing and something listed as "208v" is "usually" a sign that the motor is a 3-phase driven motor which is NOT able to run on "220v" houshold current).  --I'm trying to keep it simple here!
Reply:You won't get the Weird Monkey Face Plug- 5-20p Read my Post, #4Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Originally Posted by BoostinjdmCorrect.  I have read as high as 256v in my garage before and it's the farthest run from the meter.
Reply:Originally Posted by RedOctobyrSince we're on the subject, the distance from the meter shouldn't really matter, as long as you are not actually drawing a load through the wires feeding that outlet, when you measure the voltage. Voltage drop happens as a result of current flow. When nothing is actually drawing current through those wires, the voltage that you measure at the outlet should be identical to where the wires leave the breaker panel. Once you add a load, however, the further you are from the panel, and/or the smaller the wires, the greater the voltage drop will be.
Reply:You're absolutely right. Sorry, I should have tried to word it more clearly. I've edited my post. I was only referring to measuring voltage at an outlet, when you are *not* drawing a load. In that specific scenario, the distance from the panel does not matter (you should measure the same voltage whether right at the panel, or at the end of a 100' 16 gauge extension cord). However, the wire gauge and length must be considered and selected appropriately when you're planning for a high-current application.
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1You won't get the Weird Monkey Face Plug- 5-20p Read my Post, #4