6010 whip question

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I just looked at the pretty 6010 thread, http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=61332 and boy so I have a long way to go. My questions are this,How far out do you whip, and what factors determine the length out of the whip?Also does it need to be a fast motion and does the arc length change much during the whip cycle?I going to get some more 6010.Thanks!
Reply:watch the puddle..watch it and when its big enough whip, or move away, tolet it cool and quickly go back and make another deposit half on half off the one that just cooled, the same way..each deposit a dime..move away to let it cool..you can make circles too with the electrode, that will move it away and then back..not changing  arc length is better than changing it..its important tobe consistent and space the individual dimes equally , i always found that making regular circles encouraged this where whipping made it harder to get back to the right spot..
Reply:weldbead has it right, circles are the best way to do it.
Reply:Thanks for the advice, do circles work on vertical up as well?
Reply:Usually 6010 is downhill, and yes.
Reply:Hello Gjertson, all of the folks who have replied to your thread have given you good information on various ways to make E6010 work for a lot of different applications. E6010 is a member of a number of rods that all weld in a similar fashion. One of it's benefits is it's ability to burn through a lot of different surface conditions and still provide a reasonably sound weld deposit. It is also used a lot for it's ability to provide sound and controlled penetration for welding various sorts of pipe challenges. Open root type joints will often be welded with E6010 and depending upon code and or use, may be completed with the E6010 filler or with other fillers, mainly E7018. As to vertical applications. Uphill, downhill, either way, E6010 can be used and works well. In my geographical area folks who use E6010 will generally use an uphill progression when they are welding vertically. Pipeliners who use this electrode will likely use a downhill progression. The main thing to consider is whatever type of motion or direction of progression that you use, is to consider the end result. If it's a code application there will be certain visual and mechanical requirements applied or needing to be met, whichever technique works for you and meets those requirements is the one to go with. Practice and assessment on your part will answer the questions or items above. I generally suggest use of a straight line in and out whip for use with E6010, doing so provides a means to weld with the same technique in any position. A circular technique used for horizontal welding can sometimes lead to excessive undercut on the upper toe of the weld deposit. Vertical welding with the circular motion can sometimes lead to more deposition on one or the other side of the weld bead. My initial suggestion provides a method that many can master for all the different positions of welding without the need for a different technique for every different position. I am not saying that this is the only way to weld, simply for me personally and a lot of those that I train, it works very well. There will always be those applications where the individual will need to make corrections/alterations/changes in their methods to possibly address a particular challenge, as you continue to practice and apply this electrode you will develop and tune your own particular technique. Good luck and best regards, Allanaevald
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerUsually 6010 is downhill, and yes.
Reply:Cool, I learned something new.   I always wipped it.  Never tried doing circles..    will have to try that soon.Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:The way i was taught was to whip no more then 1" from the puddle. I was playing around and found out it will look alot better if you keep it nice and tight. And you can use it both up and down hill. For vertical up, you whip it up then bring it back into the puddle, then do a little side to side movement. It's like an upside down T
Reply:Thank you all for the advice. I really appreciate this forum for the couple hundred years of combined cumlative experiance that take the time to answer basic questions.