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Relax Lincoln purists, My '66 is a fine old girl. My problem is that I don't take her out for a walk much anymore. What I think would be an amicable arrangement would be to hitch her great big DC power supply with an inverter as a whole house AC suppler for when Mr. Big Elec. Co. lets me down.I like my cake and do whatever I want to do with it. I still want to strike a big ol'e DC arc when I want to. I know somebody must have come to this revelation before me. My grandfather had 3 patents for agriculture with only a 6th grade education. I beseech the welding geniuses on this forum tofurrow me in a direction as not to break my piggy. Many thanks to all of you, well, us who have permanent diesel grime under our fingernails.I do truly love the smell of diesel fuel in the morning...A running Continental flathead gasaholic is just as pleasing.Aubrey, a VirginianRE: Horses...I don't trust anything I don't put gas in!'66 Split/Redface Lincoln F-162 Conti '71 Ingersoll-Rand GR 150 G-193 ContiLots and lots of old Farming goodies Cash for Clunkers did'nt get!
Reply:I have thought about the same thing just never asked or pursued it, my little mickey mouse ranger puts out plenty of aux power.Ranger 250 thick stuffHobart Handler 140 not thick stuffthe pane and oxy setup
Reply:Never had a Lincoln apart. The 600 amp Westinghouse 194? model year equipped with Chrysler industrial 236 flat head used commutators, (each of many windings on the armature led to two copper segments), As the armature rotated through the magnetic field powered by shunt current, voltage would be induced in a few of these windings at a time. The big brushes covered a few segments and picked up DC current. Most alternators use a stationary armature, (it is wound inside the outer housing). The leads of this are connected to the power output terminals. The magnetic field, (electromagnets) do the rotating.Perhaps it could be done, I compare the change to making a submarine out of an airplane.Would you consider a trade? I have a very nice Kohler 7500 watt 120/240 single phase of the type you use for off grid power.
Reply:Aubrey, I have to believe you should know that if it were possible it certainly would have been done by now seeing as these things have been around since what - the 30's?The problem is in the basics of the generator in that it produces CC (constant current) where the voltage drops as load increases. Case in point, the OCV (no load) is ~90VDC but at a 200A output it drops to ~40V. Short circuit the output and voltage drops to almost 0VDC.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Good information here. This is why I have posted the challenge. American injenuity began in agriculture. If it could be done I believe it might have been done already...out of necessity. I have a home-made walk behind garden tractor that was built by a farmer/welder out of odd parts and a 1917 Harley-Davidson V-twin engine. My grandfather bought it from the old boy in the 40's. The Harley engine apparently had too much power and speed therefore the old boy took one jug off and remachined the crank for balance. It is an incredible piece of Americana rural manufacturing and runs/operates really well. I like to think of a piece of equipment as what it can do and not necessarily of what it was designed to do. I have a little 5000kw generator with a 3600 RPM Briggs. I thought; would'nt it be nice to hear that Continental plugging along at idle of 1000 RPM producing around 8Kw. A 1000 RPM PTO tractor driven generator will work...perhaps pulling off a belt and pully off the crank or coupled to the end of the DC exciter shaft. My faher has a 3500 watt PTO driven unit he runs off the PTO shaft of a '47 Farmall A at 540 RPM. I can buy a whole house generator if I want one but the prize is in the chase. I have a Continental with loads of life left in it and I have a welder that is essencially the best that was ever built that I rarely use. I will not chop up or bastardize my lincoln. I would or could not cut off and sell my hair to buy a hairbrush. I will look on to these threads with great interest as to what others may have agri-engineered successfully. In that, I might teach my sons and their friends the value of a dollar and the exhileration of having created an original masterpiece.Aubrey, a VirginianRE: Horses...I don't trust anything I don't put gas in!'66 Split/Redface Lincoln F-162 Conti '71 Ingersoll-Rand GR 150 G-193 ContiLots and lots of old Farming goodies Cash for Clunkers did'nt get!
Reply:Gee....the noise would either kill you or make you wish you had a reliable power supplier.Anything that goes up and down and occasionally makes a bang creates noise, and you are wanting to have a continuous noise producer right where you live???I bought a 5KVA portable generator on EBAY purely to be able to do welding at the bottom of the garden and out and about if and whenever, but a month or two back we had a notification that the power would be off from 8Am until about 1PM.So, having a couple of freezers and a fridge to worry about, I cranked up the genny and as it was new it fired first time........now if that was going to be the power supplier for more than a few hours....I'm outta here.......54 DB is noise wherever you are and if it's continuous it becomes unbearable.I would consider a steam engine driven alternator if I really had to produce continuous power, but as the alternator would have to turn at about 3,000 rpm to get the 50 Hertz sine wave frequency (OZ) you'd still have a loud whine from the alternator and that is the problem......and it doesn't cycle on and off like a compressor occasionally.My opinion would be to turn everything off that didn't need to be on, hook up to a 12 volt battery bank and inverter with sufficient capacity for whatever time you need and wait it out.....so nice and quiet.Ian.
Reply:You need 220volt power to run the water well pump as a BARE minimum as Women can NOT be trained to NOT flush just because they P$%D!Guys build sound attenuating enclosures which are posted here all the time. I've seen some really nice ones.
Reply:Originally Posted by drujininYou need 220volt power to run the water well pump as a BARE minimum as Women can NOT be trained to NOT flush just because they P$%D!Guys build sound attenuating enclosures which are posted here all the time. I've seen some really nice ones.
Reply:I understand the concerns involved in running a powerplant like the Lincoln for whole house power. I made another post on the lincoln site about where I might find a crankcase pulley with three pulleys for my Conti. I can always make one with a CNC. I pretty much have come to the conclusion the a PTO AC generator, belt driven to the crank with two belts could be my answer. I have found a few like new, 10 - 15 Kw, generators in my area for a good price; and most are 540 RPM units. I figure three times the size of the generator pulley and I have a close match to 1550 RPM of the Continental. I actually work in maintenance for my local water company (supplier) therefore 220v for a well pump is not necessary. You would be surprised to HEAR how quiet a 1500 RPM cast iron engine can be (as compired to a 3600 RPM aluminum noise maker and refill every hour POS from R.O.C. at Home Despot) with a 10 foot exhaust stack 50 feet away from the house behind my shop! I might lose a little voltage in the run, but will do the math and come up with a workable wire size. Plausible?? I will have to research if running the Lincoln welder/DC generator without a load for extended periods of time will cause damage. Anybody know out there? I'm sure it'll play hell on my brushes.Aubrey, a VirginianRE: Horses...I don't trust anything I don't put gas in!'66 Split/Redface Lincoln F-162 Conti '71 Ingersoll-Rand GR 150 G-193 ContiLots and lots of old Farming goodies Cash for Clunkers did'nt get!
Reply:In all honesty yes it could be done, but at the end of the day the amount of effort and money put into making it happen just seems pointless when there are other more viable options already available at a fraction of the cost and much more efficient. You could tow a camper trailer with a Volkswagen......but why would anyone really want or need to? If it's just a because I can kinda deal I guess you'll just have to go for it because you can. Otherwise I say just go buy a Honda or sell the SA and get a Ranger or Bobcat.
Reply:Hi....I remember back in the 70's we did a job making tiny plugs to plug and Tig weld turbine blades for Rolls Royce jet engines.....the plugs were made from Nimonic alloy wire, 3mm long and 1.6 mm thick.......due to the fact that a burr was left on the end of the plug after cut off, we tumbled them using a lathe running all day at 100 rpm to turn the tumbler held in the chuck.After 3 days the lathe input shaft seized up and sheared off.Did we make a proper tumbler?.....like heck....the input shaft was replaced and the lathe went on as usual.....you can use anything for something else if you want to.Ian.
Reply:But would you do the same today, Puddytat?With hobby shops and Craigslist full of readily available inexpensive tumblers?Same goes for generator sets. Homeowner sets are a dime a dozen. Not refined enough? RV units are better and even cheaper - quiet too. Even standy units are no big deal. By comparison to the readily available sets, an SA200 is a finite and costly resource, that should be conserved. I guess the days of having to scratch hard for power generating are over. And with a big part of agri-can-do being to wisely conserve and to recognize change, on those principles I vote to leave the 200 as is.So I'm with Pipeliner on this - "Why?" However, if this seems like a match made in heaven and the marriage must go on, then once the required 24" -or so- driven pulley for the generator is located, let the ceremony begin.But I wonder if even just the pulley itself won't be more costly than an entire generator set?Last edited by denrep; 09-26-2014 at 01:57 PM.
Reply:Reading the first post I thought the question was could you use the output of the welder and run it through an inverter to use as standby power for the house. Many of the replies are talking about adding a drive pulley to run an aux. generator.I don't know how practical it is but the inverter idea interests me. It would not be real fuel efficient powering your house but I bet listening to the SA 200 running at 1500 rpm would be a lot easier to take than the standby generators that run at 3600 rpm.Dirk
Reply:Hey Dirk, you've got the picture. Here in Southern Virginia, we rarely get snow or major power outages for any considerable length of time. Running the old girl, you know, enough to get the oil hot and the thermostat open will do her a world of good. Unless a hurricane takes us out, as did Isabel, I would be grateful to hear that old Conti pickin em off. I restore antique tractors and farm equipment for fun. I have a real Lincoln Buzz Box that I use from time to time but not much. I would use the Redface about as much. I have equipment that goes back into the early 19teens. One thing I do know is that these old motors were made to run and were built to be punished. Hercules, Buda, Waukeshau, Wisconsin, Perkins, Allis-Chalmers, Fairbanks Morse were all great engines, I've got them all and a few more. I sandblast with a'62 Ingersoll-Rand "Spot-Air" 3R-36 radial engine/air compressor. I lays flat and looks just like a Radial aircraft engine; Six cylinder and three run on gas and the other three compress air. I run the dog out of it. Made in America, made to run. I am still researching the inverter idea but its looking expensive. I have started the resurrection of my '66 Redface barn find. I will start a thread on it soon as I am taking pictures of the rebuild. I hope others will be interested in the rebuild. I love to see the before during and after threads of all equipment and the love that is put into them. I am sure others will want to see just how original mine is. It amazes me how little was modified by a one owner Lincoln. It had been in the old welding shop since new in 1966 and out of business since 1990. I know others will balk but I put it on my truck for four bills with 400 feet of cable leads. By the way, I took it off of my truck with a '64 yale forklift with a Continental Red Seal Engine in it. There is madness in my method! This is my first few times on the welding forum. I mainly read tractor forums but since I had my shoulder replaced this summer I have had lots of time to read threads. Lots of great information and comradery here on this forum I guess because welding is such an undeniable skill and labor of pride and intellegence.Aubrey, a VirginianRE: Horses...I don't trust anything I don't put gas in!'66 Split/Redface Lincoln F-162 Conti '71 Ingersoll-Rand GR 150 G-193 ContiLots and lots of old Farming goodies Cash for Clunkers did'nt get!
Reply:I have thought about adding a generator to my welder too. By the way be careful not to put too much side load on the crankshaft with your double v belt setup.I have a Miller Big 40 and you can see the end of the generator shaft. have been thinking about drilling and tapping it to stub on a longer shaft or maybe a u-joint yoke.How cool would it be to have a pto on your welder. Multiple possibilities. Generator, compressor, hydraulic pump, pressure washer....extra large fan to keep you cool while welding.... Lincolin Power Wave 450, Lincoln Powermig 255, Lincoln Pro Mig 140, Lincoln Squarewave Tig 275, Miller Big 40 G(with Hobart Hefty suitcase), Thermal Arc 95S and Esab PCM875 in an already full machine shop.
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