Pulsed SMAW??!?

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Yesterday as a bit of a joke I showed my kids a little trick of putting a stick electrode in the end of the Tig torch with the 1/8" collet set, no cup and the gas turned off. To their amazement, it worked, though not well(straight polarity). Today I had more time, do I swapped leads and lit up again. At 200 peak amps, 60% peak and 30% background, it ran like a dream. I was able to push it straight uphill with NO sagging at all. I played the pedal a little to keep the amperage in check, but WOW was it cool! Tomorrow I think I'm going to look at my other machines to see if they will pulse too. I know it takes the simplicity out of good old stick welding, but I could see it working in the structural fieldTeach Ag Mech - Mike At Home:Lincoln Electric AC225Miller Challenger 172Gas AxeWork:eclectic bunch of 90's vintage blue boxes
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Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonCool!6010?
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Reply:My Powcon 550SMP lets me pulse stick.
Reply:Hey!!!  With all the fancy wizz bang doodads on tig machines now, that lots of people can't figure out and then blame the machine settings instead of their piss poor tig skills.........Leave the simplicity of stick welding alone!!  ......Bad enough that there is arc force and hot start on fancy machines...... if you could see me, I'm currently doing the: grumpy old man, fist waving in the air, get off my front lawn, grumbling and muttering to myself...... I'm gonna pass a law that everyone that welds anything has to learn oxy/acetylene and then stick welding on an AC buzz box first.Last edited by MinnesotaDave; 11-05-2014 at 06:42 AM.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveHey!!!  With all the fancy wizz bang doodads on tig machines now, that lots of people can't figure out and then blame the machine settings instead of their piss poor tig skills.........Leave the simplicity of stick welding alone!!  ......Bad enough that there is arc force and hot start on fancy machines...... if you could see me, I'm currently doing the: grumpy old man, fist waving in the air, get off my front lawn, grumbling and muttering to myself...... I'm gonna pass a law that everyone that welds anything has to learn oxy/acetylene and then stick welding on an AC buzz box first.
Reply:Originally Posted by ttoksMight as well make it so you  must be an accomplished blacksmith before even looking at a  welding machine too Sent from my LG-P716 using Tapatalk
Reply:Hey, I cut my teeth the hard way, learned OAW and still have my AC225. I was simply sharing what I found. And I've spent a fair amount of time at the forge with a hammer in my hand.... Now I have to go walk up this Hill barefoot in the snow while rolling this hoop with a stick.Teach Ag Mech - Mike At Home:Lincoln Electric AC225Miller Challenger 172Gas AxeWork:eclectic bunch of 90's vintage blue boxes
Reply:Originally Posted by teachagmechHey, I cut my teeth the hard way, learned OAW and still have my AC225. I was simply sharing what I found. And I've spent a fair amount of time at the forge with a hammer in my hand.... Now I have to go walk up this Hill barefoot in the snow while rolling this hoop with a stick.
Reply:Lol me too! That Hill is an anomaly for sure. The only one I know of that's uphill on both sides. Kinda like welding pipe I guessTeach Ag Mech - Mike At Home:Lincoln Electric AC225Miller Challenger 172Gas AxeWork:eclectic bunch of 90's vintage blue boxes
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveHey!!!  With all the fancy wizz bang doodads on tig machines now, that lots of people can't figure out and then blame the machine settings instead of their piss poor tig skills.........Leave the simplicity of stick welding alone!!  ......Bad enough that there is arc force and hot start on fancy machines...... if you could see me, I'm currently doing the: grumpy old man, fist waving in the air, get off my front lawn, grumbling and muttering to myself...... I'm gonna pass a law that everyone that welds anything has to learn oxy/acetylene and then stick welding on an AC buzz box first.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonYou horrible, horrible man!
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonYou horrible, horrible man!
Reply:Dave is obviously Republican..............I love you man! Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveI've just decided on a good use for all the fancy technology going into the computerized gamer console feel of new welding machines.Figured I'd share it since I know people are just waiting for a good idea to come along  lolSince pretty much all kids now days know that in video games you don't get to "unlock" the cool stuff until you show enough skill to get there........modern machines should constantly monitor the basic welding skill of the user and not unlock any damn thing that is a "cool new wizzbang" feature until the user shows some skill...Want pulse for thin tig welding?  Too bad - show some decent tig beads first Hot start and arc force?  Locked until the person learns to scratch the damn stick with enough authority to light it."Need" extra frequency to drive into the corner on aluminum?  Locked until the person learns to quit babying the pedal and throw some amps down right away.I'll let it go for now - but I'm sure I'll think of other stuff Kids will try for hours and hours to "unlock" video game levels - lets put that focus to good use
Reply:I'm no fan of either party but I still think it's a cool idea! I hope there's folks from Miller and Lincoln watching this thread. I don't think Rapid Arc stick welding will work very well, though- the voltage is usually around 24V, too low to even strike an arc. Don't let that stop you from trying, though, we may both be pleasantly surprised.Hmmm, now that I think about it, my old 300GTSW has hot start in TIG as well as pulse. May have to give that a try...JohnA few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
Reply:I'm with you Dave! All those hi tech gadgets aren't any good if you don't know how to use them. I'm a firm believer in " put the pedal down and tell your hand to keep up"!There's just nothing like the feel of a transformer arc... It's sorta like a woman, if you know how to get her in a good mood than your in for a good day! If you don't have the skills to turn her on you ain't got what it takes to lay it down!But all those buttons make your welder look cool!Just joking around here guys! But I do love the reliability of simple tools.  1 tool for 1 job = specialty.... 1 tool for 15 jobs = optimistic. The only multi process tool I use on a regular basis is a HAMMER!Real welders know how to penetrate!(Equipment)Whatever can be used to beat my opponent into submission!
Reply:Originally Posted by gimpyrobbMy Powcon 550SMP lets me pulse stick.
Reply:Ha! I knew there still had to be reasonable folks here! Even my son (age 16) agrees  I started him on OA and then a Forney 225 AC and a Lincoln 225AC.Then tig aluminum on my old Airco Now I just have to get the manufacturers to listen...Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:I'm supposed to be the resident crusty old p{ick around here who hates technology. I lit up like Christmas, and wanted to know more. I even experimented this morning to see if pulse would work on stick settings. It won't.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveHey!!!  With all the fancy wizz bang doodads on tig machines now, that lots of people can't figure out and then blame the machine settings instead of their piss poor tig skills.........Leave the simplicity of stick welding alone!!  ......Bad enough that there is arc force and hot start on fancy machines...... if you could see me, I'm currently doing the: grumpy old man, fist waving in the air, get off my front lawn, grumbling and muttering to myself...... I'm gonna pass a law that everyone that welds anything has to learn oxy/acetylene and then stick welding on an AC buzz box first.
Reply:Originally Posted by lighttekkuHot start? I wish I had hot start, wouldn't stick to the metal so damn much.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveMy 1963 Airco has hot start But all you really need is more power than that little 90 amper No cheat codes for blacksmithing, but maybe I'll develop pulse OA for you What can I say - he's an advanced learner with a top notch teacher
Reply:Last evening I tried pulsed SMAW conecting a stinger lead to the TIG power receptacle on my Miller  350LX and pulse worked fine. I am impressed. (But I'm easily impressed.)Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk 230+ yrs Army Infantry & Field Artillery, 25 yrs agoMiller 350LX Tig Runner TA 210, spool gunLincoln 250/250 IdealArcESAB PCM 500i PlasmaKazoo 30"  vert BSKazoo 9x16 horiz BSClausing 12x24 lathe20T Air PressOriginally Posted by lighttekkuYeah which is why I'm hoping that man with the AC 225 will get back to me one of these days. Maybe a wirefeed OA setup would work better for me
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveMy 1963 Airco has hot start But all you really need is more power than that little 90 amper No cheat codes for blacksmithing, but maybe I'll develop pulse OA for you What can I say - he's an advanced learner with a top notch teacher
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BPulse O/A? is that when there is a gob of snot in its sinuses, and it keeps sneezing?
Reply:I'll try to experiment some more tomorrow and take some pictures.30+ yrs Army Infantry & Field Artillery, 25 yrs agoMiller 350LX Tig Runner TA 210, spool gunLincoln 250/250 IdealArcESAB PCM 500i PlasmaKazoo 30"  vert BSKazoo 9x16 horiz BSClausing 12x24 lathe20T Air Press