When Did Position Welds Become Out Of Position Welds?

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I know, language changes.Like:Begging the question used to refer to an argument which relied on circular reasoning, and now it is usurped to mean 'demands that the question be asked'.Anyway, when I started out, vertical was a position, and a vertical weld was a position weld. An overhead weld was a position weld, and if you were making a connection between say, a 90 and existing pipe, which could not be rolled or flipped, it was a position weld.You had to weld it in position.Nowadays, folks are saying they had to weld it out of position.Nope, that is the position it is in.I don't care what the trend is, I will be in my room at the old folks home calling them position weldsHobart Beta-Mig 2511972 Miller AEAD-200LEMiller 250 TwinNorthern Ind. Hybrid 200Longevity Stick 140Longevity Migweld 200SThermal Arc Pak 3XR
Reply:Originally Posted by geezerbillI know, language changes.Like:Begging the question used to refer to an argument which relied on circular reasoning, and now it is usurped to mean 'demands that the question be asked'.Anyway, when I started out, vertical was a position, and a vertical weld was a position weld. An overhead weld was a position weld, and if you were making a connection between say, a 90 and existing pipe, which could not be rolled or flipped, it was a position weld.You had to weld it in position.Nowadays, folks are saying they had to weld it out of position.Nope, that is the position it is in.I don't care what the trend is, I will be in my room at the old folks home calling them position welds
Reply:...definitely no shortage of subject matter!Hobart Beta-Mig 2511972 Miller AEAD-200LEMiller 250 TwinNorthern Ind. Hybrid 200Longevity Stick 140Longevity Migweld 200SThermal Arc Pak 3XR
Reply:It takes a really sharp knife to split these kinds of hairs.                                               MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Well unless you speak Latin,  any living language is constantly evolving and changing.  New words and word meanings constantly developing.   My bet is educational instructors and institutions and social media such as youtube where folks started referring to non flat or horizontal weld as "out of position"  with language what is important whether or not the listener understands the speaker's meaning....   Now go back to your bingo game Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:How about "non flat""Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammHow about "non flat"
Reply:Originally Posted by sled dogI will be right down the hall from you. Can I rock with you ? And we'll bitch about how the world has changed and we don't like it !!!!!!!!
Reply:I guess I'm some kind of weirdo but I have always just called what it is. If I weld a vertical I say "hey had to run that vertical". And so on.
Reply:Every weld is in a position. The only question is which position is it in?Airco Ac/Dc 300 HeliwelderMillerMatic 200 (stolen)Miller Maxstar 150STLMiller AEAD200LE (welding and generating power) Hobart MIG
Reply:If you've squirmed into a tight spot to make a vertical weld and have to use a #10 lense in torch goggles because there's no room for a hood, then I'd call that "out of position", LOL!!                                             MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveCrap....I didn't know I was supposed to wait 'till I was old and retired to do that....I'm doing it all wrong...
Reply:Originally Posted by sled dogI will be right down the hall from you. Can I rock with you ? And we'll bitch about how the world has changed and we don't like it !!!!!!!!
Reply:I'll come visit y'all.  Irregardless of all the complaining! That word bothers me so much I had a hard time typing it.GravelThe difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference.
Reply:Originally Posted by GravelI'll come visit y'all.  Irregardless of all the complaining! That word bothers me so much I had a hard time typing it.
Reply:Originally Posted by storemanIs there any other "position" than "sitting"?
Reply:Originally Posted by tbone550Once upon a time, there were four positions: Offhand / StandingKneelingSittingProneToday, it seems the vast majority are only aware of two positions:BenchrestOff a BipodLong live Smallbore and High Power!!!!
Reply:Originally Posted by storemanThat word is considered standard lexicon, kind of like you only hear "second of all,  third of all"  these days instead of "secondly and thirdly".Is there any other "position" than "sitting"?Room for me at the inn?
Reply:Originally Posted by 12V71 I also do a bit of that AR-15 poodle shooter stuff.
Reply:Vertical up/down, overhead and flat. What other positions are there? Is this when you weld while doing a headstand?
Reply:Originally Posted by NicheFabVertical up/down, overhead and flat. What other positions are there? Is this when you weld while doing a headstand?
Reply:22 posts and we still have no real clarification!So my input, flat and horizontal is in position. Vertical and overhead are out of position. Just what I always figured."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Originally Posted by SquirmyPugAlso have horizontal.
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Reply:I did some extensive research on this in the last 24 hours, and found this out.It seems several years ago a 14 year old kid walked into a Harbor Freight store, and bought a 99 dollar flux-core only machine, so he could become a welder.He went home, got on his 1700 dollar computer, printed out a welding certificate on his 500 dollar printer, and hung it on his wall.Then, again on his $1700 computer, he joined a welding forum, and mistakenly referred to a vertical weld as an out of position weld, and the rest is history.This can be verified by snopes, which I think is actually a different 14 year old kid on his $3,000 computer with banks of blade servers.Change is progress.Hobart Beta-Mig 2511972 Miller AEAD-200LEMiller 250 TwinNorthern Ind. Hybrid 200Longevity Stick 140Longevity Migweld 200SThermal Arc Pak 3XROriginally Posted by geezerbillI did some extensive research on this in the last 24 hours, and found this out.It seems several years ago a 14 year old kid walked into a Harbor Freight store, and bought a 99 dollar flux-core only machine, so he could become a welder.He went home, got on his 1700 dollar computer, printed out a welding certificate on his 500 dollar printer, and hung it on his wall.Then, again on his $1700 computer, he joined a welding forum, and mistakenly referred to a vertical weld as an out of position weld, and the rest is history.This can be verified by snopes, which I think is actually a different 14 year old kid on his $3,000 computer with banks of blade servers.Change is progress.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveI'll do you one better - I have a pic of the culprit
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawI think that's Mr. TIG's kid!
Reply:Is there a missionary position in welding?"The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:Originally Posted by SandyIs there a missionary position in welding?
Reply:Originally Posted by SquirmyPugAlso have horizontal.