6011 electrode difference?

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Has anyone noticed, or is there, any significant difference in two of Lincoln's 6011 rods...namely the Fleetweld 180 and Fleetweld 35?  Sometimes I can find one at one place and then other times I can find the other one at the same place.  Guess the vendor can't make up their mind which they want to carry.I haven't noticed any real difference (DCEP only, no AC, 3/32" and 1/8" sizes).
Reply:All 6011's I am aware of will weld in any polarity.http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/wiki/El...eference_Charthttp://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...s.aspx?k=e6011Last edited by tanglediver; 05-05-2013 at 11:57 PM.City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:Looking at the Lincoln spec sheets, the 180 has slightly better yield & tensile strength numbers (more C & Mn) but the 35 has better Charpy impact specs."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:I guess then, in a nutshell, that for general welding projects (no buildings, trailers, etc.) either rod will suffice with neither having a distinct advantage.  I've been running the 180's and they work just fine for me.
Reply:Why would any of them be unsuitable for buildings or trailers?
Reply:We use 6011 on ac for vertical down lifting attachments on hundreds of pieces over couple of decades.  Arc blow is uncontrollable on dc on this stuff and I use vertical down to control heat because of the close proximity of plastic.The vast majority of the rod is Fleetweld 180.Last edited by kald; 05-07-2013 at 12:46 PM.
Reply:If you're running DC, why not use 6010?
Reply:Originally Posted by KelvinWhy would any of them be unsuitable for buildings or trailers?
Reply:Originally Posted by copeIf you're running DC, why not use 6010?
Reply:Lincoln has bunches of the same number rods that are just a little different. But as far as I'm concerned a 6011 is a 6011. Good farm rod for burning threw anything on ac or dc. Its almost junk when compared to a 5p but A LOT cheaper. For me though, as far as rods are concerned, I reckon a box of 5Ps and Excaliburs will have ya covered MOST of the time.
Reply:Originally Posted by shortfuse.... Guess the vendor can't make up their mind which they want to carry...
Reply:Thinking more about it I use to use Murex or Harris 6011 I can't remember which but the rod was white and I used to pick them up at the local Airgas before they closed that store 10ish years ago. It ran very smooth for a 6011 on AC.  I just used some last year I found in shop on the back of pallet in an open plastic tube. The label had long since disintegrated.  They still ran much better than the Lincoln I'm using now but the Lincoln 180 certainly gets the job done well enough.Edit: Just did some googlin.  I believe it was the white Airco( now Murex?)  6011 I used to use that was very good.Last edited by kald; 05-08-2013 at 12:18 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by jamesyarbroughLincoln has bunches of the same number rods that are just a little different. But as far as I'm concerned a 6011 is a 6011. Good farm rod for burning threw anything on ac or dc. Its almost junk when compared to a 5p but A LOT cheaper. For me though, as far as rods are concerned, I reckon a box of 5Ps and Excaliburs will have ya covered MOST of the time.
Reply:Here is an excellent discussion on the F3 class electrodes and polarity.http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...-for-smaw.aspx
Reply:All 6011 burns the same, hot and dirty. It has it's place I have a box of the big stuff on the truck for 2am repairs when a rusty plow gets ripped off a truck.Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott YoungWhat gives you the idea that 6011 is a junk rod?  Just curious.  In the structural field where I have welded it is highly regarded.
Reply:Originally Posted by dubl_tShorty,Is there a price difference between the two?Like Oldendum pointed out, there's a slight physical characteristics difference, not that it would matter to anyone but an engineer.Have you used anybody else's 6011?
Reply:The main difference between the two is that the Fleetweld 180 are designed for low open-circuit voltage welders, i.e. "buzz-boxes". I have noticed that some machines seem to "like" the 35s more than the 180s or vice-versa. Just use the one that runs best on your machine.Still, if you're on DC you should really try the 6010s. The 5P+ do cost a bit more but the regular old 5P (red rods) are about the same price as 6011s but run much smoother.JohnA few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
Reply:Originally Posted by Silicon-basedThe main difference between the two is that the Fleetweld 180 are designed for low open-circuit voltage welders, i.e. "buzz-boxes". I have noticed that some machines seem to "like" the 35s more than the 180s or vice-versa. Just use the one that runs best on your machine.Still, if you're on DC you should really try the 6010s. The 5P+ do cost a bit more but the regular old 5P (red rods) are about the same price as 6011s but run much smoother.John