"Dual-Shield" Welding with Gas Shielded Flux Core wire (Videos)

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Goodafternoon, everyone!Here are a couple videos that I wanted to share..A little while back a buddy of mine, Peter Zila was nice enough to drive out to the farm and brought, among other things, a roll of Lincoln Dual-Shield wire.I'd never run Dual-Shield before, and man is it fun... Kinda like a combination of Mig and Stick welding... I really liked it.Anyway, here's a two-part video on Gas Shielded Flux Core wire, what it is, some tips for running it, and what it's used for. Hope y'all enjoy it Part 1:[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnPOzq9BUoA[/ame]Part 2:[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ3I2eCLP34[/ame][Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:I enjoy your videos.Hey~!! It's a hobby. It's not supposed to make sense~!!
Reply:Awesome video, thanks for sharing.
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Reply:I LOVE DUAL SHIELD! WAAAAAAAY more fun to run than MIG. Especially in vertical or overhead. You should try doing vertical stingers with it too. Puts less heat into the material.
Reply:I can't say as I didn't watch the videos, but only from the still screen, in the shops I have welded for, you won't last long pushing that weld.  if it has slag you drag.  I know it is a simple motto, but one that many live by.  The QC comes around and watches you weld from time to time to check your settings against the WPS and to double check the weldment to the blueprint.  You won't last if you don't do it like they want.
Reply:You guys did not actually get into spray mode. Volts were a little low, and dual shield spray is very quiet. Great video.
Reply:Loved the video.  What was up with pushing the weld in the flat position?Is that considered correct for this type of wire?Also for he pros,  what would you consider to be the most versatile dual shield wire for a guy like me with an XMT and a suitcase?TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:I have run several dual shield wires, that are dictated by someone higher up than me.  Typically this is the engineer that designed the weldment and whose stamp is on the blueprints.  That said, most of it is ESAB7100 ULTRA.  I have some dualshield at home and it is ESAB 7100 ULTRA.In the circles I walk around, pushing any wire that has flux in it is not acceptable.  It may be acceptable in other parts of the globe, but I haven't heard or seen of it.  I only weld part time now and try to limit how much crawling around, over and under I have to do.  I will let the young more hungry bucks to that.  I don't want to be trying to earn a living the rest of my life based on what my body can do.  I have saved using my brain all these years so I figure it should work just fine having never been used.  I have a lot of living left to do and at the rate I am going physically, I ain't going to make it.  So i am dusting off the brain and seeing what it has to offer.
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott YoungI only weld part time now and try to limit how much crawling around, over and under I have to do.  I will let the young more hungry bucks to that.  I don't want to be trying to earn a living the rest of my life based on what my body can do.  I have saved using my brain all these years so I figure it should work just fine having never been used.  I have a lot of living left to do and at the rate I am going physically, I ain't going to make it.  So i am dusting off the brain and seeing what it has to offer.
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott Young ......I have saved using my brain all these years so I figure it should work just fine having never been used.  I have a lot of living left to do and at the rate I am going physically, I ain't going to make it.  So i am dusting off the brain and seeing what it has to offer.
Reply:Originally Posted by Drf255Loved the video.  What was up with pushing the weld in the flat position?Is that considered correct for this type of wire?Also for he pros,  what would you consider to be the most versatile dual shield wire for a guy like me with an XMT and a suitcase?
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XDepends,, but Esab X wire is really good for running verticals. (keep dry, or it will worm track bad) I posted the Esab Link exactly for the info on pushing those type wires.. Turned off the video right when I saw that info. Figured no reason to learn bad habits.. The Lincoln wire is good, and really Hobart excel arc 71 is really nice running wire too.The Esab comes in 14 pound rolls, along with larger sizes. Nice for a suitcase..
Reply:"I never run dual shield before" but I made a video to show you how to do itREAL TRUCKS DON'T HAVE SPARK PLUGS
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott YoungScott,  I doubt you would learn any bad habits off of a youtube video.  I have for years tried to follow some of the conversations you and Dan have had about welding and can say officially you two know your stuff.  I don't see the 260 in your signature anymore. didn't you step up?
Reply:Originally Posted by RaulI enjoy your videos.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveNice video Lanse  - I tend to make pretty large weaves on the cover myself so it's nice to see others do too.From what I've read (from Lincoln and ESAB), max toughness in a weld comes from stringers - but weaves are acceptable, so I do. .....hmmm, might get flamed for admitting that - LOLDave J.
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseWaPOW! Time to beat this dead horse again This isnt self-shielded FCAW wire, the slag on this stuff is super fluid and "floats". Peter and I am both of the belief that pushing a MIG weld will give you a stronger weld than pulling it... As we know, the reason why you dont "push" a FCAW weld is slag entrapment...But with the slag of Dual-Shield, slag entrapment problems are "rare" to say the least. If you look around on the interweb, you'll find many people who push it.He knows what he's talking about, is fully certified, runs a successful business, etc. It passes a cert test, and things he welds don't come apart. But, to each, his own
Reply:Easyyyyy Scott, I wasnt trying to argue your point, if an employer wants it done a certian way, that IS how you do it... I dont have any beef with you, either...[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Originally Posted by Scott YoungMy friend CAN weld a 7024 vertical (i have seen it and still can't believe how good he makes it look).
Reply:If you're going to make a video trying to impress other newbies at least study up on the subject matter, a good example is your use of the term mig when referring to dual shield flux core welding.  Pushing a dual shield wire is unacceptable as stated in some of the above posts, you'd be best forgetting the camera & getting out into the world & actually learning the trade.Last edited by Old Skool; 06-07-2013 at 09:26 AM.REAL TRUCKS DON'T HAVE SPARK PLUGS
Reply:although im a very green green welder a friend works at a local shop and he dual shield welds and he welds some pretty thick stuff, they use this on those high voltage high intensity electrical poles and the very tall sodium lights light often found at major over pass's and such.seen 2 inch material welded seamlessly..
Reply:Thanks Lanse.I enjoy your videos and watch most of them.Gordie -- "I believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Reply:Thanks, sky!! [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009Very informative videos. Hope you do more videos with PeterZ     regards       JohnG
Reply:Thanks Johnny!!I spent all last weekend on location with Pete at his shop shooting videos [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
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Reply:Didnt watch the video, but in our shop, we run hundreds of pounds of dual shield wire a week on pipe for the power plants and oil and gas plants, and its all pushed uphill.  We have guys welding 24/7, and 80% of our work is either hydrotested or xrayed.  Never a problem.  Some wires may be different, and welding plate maybe different, that idk, but to say you cant push dualshield is ignorant220V AC/DC Stick MachineLincoln 125HDChop Saw, Grinders, Etc.Air CompressorTons of Hand ToolsFab Table, Half Bar Grate, Half Solid w/ Sears Vice
Reply:Originally Posted by mlasal1Didnt watch the video, but in our shop, we run hundreds of pounds of dual shield wire a week on pipe for the power plants and oil and gas plants, and its all pushed uphill.  We have guys welding 24/7, and 80% of our work is either hydrotested or xrayed.  Never a problem.  Some wires may be different, and welding plate maybe different, that idk, but to say you cant push dualshield is ignorant
Reply:I am not really a welder, but I play one on YouTube. Nice video!  First time I ran some "Dual-Shield," I liked it a lot as well; though I was taught to "pull," rather then "push" in the flat position (as demonstrated in your video).GarLast edited by Gar; 06-15-2013 at 03:21 AM.Lincoln Electric, Power MIG 256Hypertherm Powermax 45 Miller Dynasty 280DXSmith O/A torchGenesis of a welding table