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It's a bonus when I have to disassemble something made with wire welds Makes my job EASY PEASYNo penetration, so the razor wheel just nips it off, and a few taps with a hammer..........I'M DONEDid I say NO PENETRATION????????? Why yes I didAll y'all can puff your chests out, and say "I do it right", "this was obviously a hack job", and on and on and on and on and on. But if you want heavier stuff welded IT TAKES STICK TO DO IT.(I believe I got 3 threads going now) (idiot)"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:I wouldn't call you a idiot Samm. But knowing it is half the battle, took me a while to figure it out myself. Maybe we'll start a club. Nah that's boring, lets make it a gang! I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:"All y'all can puff your chests out, and say "I do it right", "this was obviously a hack job", and on and on and on and on and on. But if you want heavier stuff welded IT TAKES STICK TO DO IT."Interesting statement.
Reply:I agree, Samm. I use my mig mostly because almost everything I weld is .060 to 3/16". Anything above that the ol' thunderbolt comes out of it's sleep. MikeOl' Stonebreaker "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:I have to agree lots of mig welds don't have penetration like stick.... On the other hand out some NR 233 or some ultracore and wire becomes a while different animal. ..... Plenty of penetration and will run circles orotund stick in most cases. Now I stick weld every day for a living. It can be highly productive but generally takes more skill than wire to run 3/16 or 7/32 stuck rods. I haven't used a cutting wheel in forever... The arc gouger is my best friend ha like the thread tho
Reply:Poorly prepared material and a bad weld is a bad weld no matter if stick, MIG, flux-core, TIG, O/A or . . .MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Solder has no penetration.
Reply:Ooo a gang. Do I wear a bandanna,,,,, leather jacket,,,,,, I got it cooool high top sneakers,,yea that's it.
Reply:I'm pretty sure I can make a stick weld look just like that too.... Prep is everything!Miller Dynasty 200DXMiller 252 Miller 250xMiller Syncrowave 250Miller AEAD200 LegendMiller 375 Xtreme plasmaLincoln WeldPak 100Victor O/A
Reply:Yes, prep is important. So is choosing the right process for the job at hand. If it's clean metal, 1/4" or less and in the shop, MIG is the right tool for the job. If it's none of those, get out the sticks. And, of course, TIG for the small and pretty stuff.JohnA few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
Reply:Originally Posted by specopswelderI have to agree lots of mig welds don't have penetration like stick.... On the other hand out some NR 233 or some ultracore and wire becomes a while different animal. ..... Plenty of penetration and will run circles orotund stick in most cases. Now I stick weld every day for a living. It can be highly productive but generally takes more skill than wire to run 3/16 or 7/32 stuck rods. I haven't used a cutting wheel in forever... The arc gouger is my best friend ha like the thread tho
Reply:Have you ever sprayed with a mig or ran dual shield?
Reply:My HF sheet metal brake is held together with bondo.
Reply:"These welds lasted just fine throughout their entire service life, then when I ground them out, the piece just FELL APART!!! These are the worst welds ever!!"[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Tangle I agree that it isn't fair comparing the two processes together. I was making the point that stick is not the only way or the preferred way to do heavy welding. 3/32 ultra core can put some weld down that spray mig can't think about as far as penetration and production. If you have heavy 2 to 8 inch heavy welding to do get out the big guns. This little project would be right as rain with some 5/32 7018.Like the bison to lamb analogy you speak my country folk language.
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Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeI wouldn't call you a idiot Samm. But knowing it is half the battle, took me a while to figure it out myself. Maybe we'll start a club. Nah that's boring, lets make it a gang!
Reply:In the 1970s I worked for 3-years in a NRC approved fab shop. The NRC required that all welders re-test every 3-months. Never once failed a 1-inch side bend test with 1/16-inch Mig wire. Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTMy HF sheet metal brake is held together with bondo.
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusI agree, Samm. I use my mig mostly because almost everything I weld is .060 to 3/16". Anything above that the ol' thunderbolt comes out of it's sleep. Mike
Reply:After running into so many lame joints made with short circuit transfer, it just leaves a body mig-gun shy. Funny, I wanted to learn to use it so much when I went back to school.City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:Originally Posted by Lanse"These welds lasted just fine throughout their entire service life, then when I ground them out, the piece just FELL APART!!! These are the worst welds ever!!"
Reply:Site prep, and procedure/settings are everything. regardless of the method/tool used to do the job. Proper site prep in combination with proper procedures and settings make a HUGE difference. and yes proper procedure dictates that you use a machine capable of doing the job at hand. a 110 machine can't do the work of a 220 machine which can't do the work of a 440 machine.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Originally Posted by StonagegraniteOoo a gang. Do I wear a bandanna,,,,, leather jacket,,,,,, I got it cooool high top sneakers,,yea that's it.
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTSolder has no penetration.Realistically, a really good braze is stronger than a bad weld.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Pay attention klasz :shock:Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:A representative from a heavy (giant mining equipment) manufacturer once told me they use dual shield flux core for all of their heavy equipment welding. But then again, I guess flux core sort of counts as stick.
Reply:Originally Posted by akabadnewsA representative from a heavy (giant mining equipment) manufacturer once told me they use dual shield flux core for all of their heavy equipment welding. But then again, I guess flux core sort of counts as stick.
Reply:Originally Posted by BurpeeRealistically, a really good braze is stronger than a bad weld.
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTTrying to drink coffee here! LOL!
Reply:Went and found a "more reputable" link just in case some flag waving dimwit might disagree with facts (often the case in Disney)http://www.aws.org/wj/amwelder/9-00/fundamentals.htmlBubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Originally Posted by BurpeeI see you don't understand brazing. Most don't.
Reply:A properly made solder joint actually dissolves the outer layer of base material and blends with it.
Reply:solders and brazing is hellaciously strong in the proper application, like anything else...
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTThe only thing I understand about brazing is how to grind it out and weld the joint when it fails.
Reply:Originally Posted by SquirmyPugBrazing/silver solder can be very strong if done correctly, like Burpee said.
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTThe ones I normally see that fail are from fatigue. I know they can be a great joint when everything is done right. I'd rather just weld it.
Reply:Originally Posted by cd19there are things you just can't always weld.
Reply:what it should look like overhead 6" penetration.I bet you money you can't break my weld like that Last edited by justinT; 10-22-2013 at 01:16 AM.Reason: :) |
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