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Cant work out what the extra $500 (or so) is for the dynasty.is there some features that i am missing?Bare DX= 2800TA 200 with torch, remote, spares, flowmeter= 2370anyone use both of these machines?is there any ...or more like what is the differencs?G
Reply:I would get the TA myself, but thats me. I dont need half the crap the Dynasty offers, nor do I need 110 capability.Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:Then again a Syncrowave 250DX tigrunner is calling my nameDisclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:... and do you need the 200 over the AM 185- do you need those 15 amps? Saves ya anutter 300.00AM 185 is single phase onlyAM 200 is 1 or 3 phase.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:It's been mentioned that the TA200 is 1 or 3 phase. The TA185 is 1 phase only.If you compare the specs, when the TA200 is operated on 1 phase power, the output is exactly the same as the TA185.Unless you plan on operating the machine on 3 phase, you're basically wasting about $300 by going with the TA200.I think a call to Thermal Arc, technical support, will verify the above information. They've never been able to explain any other significant difference between the two machines, to me at least.Being able to "say", "I've got a 200A tig" isn't worth $300 to me.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:I came to the same conclusion when I bought my TA 185. I don't have 3-phase here so the 185 made the most sense between the that and the TA 200. I don't need to run tig on 110v either, so the TA 185 made more sense than the Dynasty. The TA 185 has all the same operating features, including pulse and slope and all that, of the Dynasty 200DX, up to 2008. The new Dynastys have additional wave form features that the older ones don't. They also raised the price on the new ones. I would still choose the TA 185 over the new Dynasty 200DX, since the TA is still so much less money for the same capabilities. You can almost get a TA 300 for what the Dynasty 200 cost now. I wish I had got the TA 300, but I didn't have that much money at the time. The 185 has worked great for me for a bit over 2 years now, I'm very happy with it.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIIIf you compare the specs, when the TA200 is operated on 1 phase power, the output is exactly the same as the TA185.
Reply:I also found a mistake in their Manual for the AM 200The Operating manual for the AM 200 shows Single phasehttp://www.thermadyne.com/IM_Uploads...20CE-OpMan.pdfCouldn't help myself so I called them- and they confirmed that the Manual was wrong.Also confirmed that the output of the AM200 is 200 amps 1 or 3 phaseAnyhoo- Tech support answered the call promptly very helpful.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Ed,Not trying to dispute what you found, however the info you received is definitely different than what I had received about six months ago.I'm sitting here now looking at the full color glossy (From Thermal Arc) on the entire Arcmaster line 185-300.External dimensions of the 185 and 200 are exactly the same. Weight is the same. Etc, Etc, Etc. Output Range: 5-160 amp DC mode Stick (Same for both machines 185 & 200) 10-160 amp AC mode Stick (Same for both machines 185 & 200) For tig they do show 5-185 amps DC mode (TA 185) and 5-200 amps DC mode (TA 200)Now comes the interesting part. Pay attention.TA 185:Rated Output @ Duty Cycle 185A/17.4V @ 30% TIG 165A/27V @ 40% STICKTA 200:Rated Output @ Duty Cycle 200A/18V @ 20% TIG 160A/26V @ 40% STICK.Looks to me like to get those additional 15A, you give up 10% of your duty cycle in TIG.Additionally, the 185 looks like a better performer in STICK at the same duty cycle.Sure looks to me like they're just tweaking a couple of components to get better numbers without really beefing up the machine at all.All these numbers came directly off TA's product spec sheet.???????Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Yeah I noticed that too- about the dooty cycle.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Thanks all.i never looked that far past the dyNASTY till now.I have a bid in for a DX, but i'm sure i'll lose that in the next few days.Cant understand how much the used ones are going for.Saw a DX with a cooler and accessories gong for over 3300+ shipping and it might be one of the older ones before the blue En-lightning (pun intended)I can get an up to date DX for 2800 delivered with a man- u warrantyBut it looks more like a AM185 is giong to call my nameThanks for all the info peopleG
Reply:Originally Posted by gordfraserThanks all.i never looked that far past the dyNASTY till now.I have a bid in for a DX, but i'm sure i'll lose that in the next few days.Cant understand how much the used ones are going for.Saw a DX with a cooler and accessories gong for over 3300+ shipping and it might be one of the older ones before the blue En-lightning (pun intended)I can get an up to date DX for 2800 delivered with a man- u warrantyBut it looks more like a AM185 is giong to call my nameThanks for all the info people
Reply:One thing I learned about value holding...If you use the snot out of it until it is dead, and you get your money out of it, it really doesn't matter as long as the equipment suits your needs.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Originally Posted by gordfraserThanks all.But it looks more like a AM185 is giong to call my nameThanks for all the info people
Reply:That thing is terrible.............Just kiddingEd Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:can you stick weld with the ta 200
Reply:Originally Posted by ed maccan you stick weld with the ta 200
Reply:gord,Hope the machine you ordered was the ArcMaster 300 AC/DC. If so, it's a fine machine, which compares with the Dynasty 300 DX (a few less bells and whistles).Have to be a little careful with Thermal Arc's machines in that they have several machines which the refer to as the AM300's. Most are DC only, with the AM 300 AC/DC being the only one capable of AC (read aluminum) welding.If that's the one you ordered, I'm sure you'll like it. Let us know what you think. It was one of the machines I considered (along with a used Dynasty 300) before I upgraded my Sync. Now, I'm leaning towards keeping the current Sync and trying the new Dynasty 200 DX as a supplement (not replacement).I will say that I had "a heck of a time" getting a price on the AM 300 AC/DC. My LWS. who's a good friend, was way high (about 8% off retail) and IOC didn't even return my call/email. Finally got a decent price from BRWelding. Still a lot more than I paid for my Sync 250 DX Tigrunner.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:You're comparing apples and oranges. Inverter tigs are always alot more money than transformer/rectifier machines.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Originally Posted by DesertRider33You're comparing apples and oranges. Inverter tigs are always alot more money than transformer/rectifier machines.
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIIgord,Hope the machine you ordered was the ArcMaster 300 AC/DC. If so, it's a fine machine, which compares with the Dynasty 300 DX (a few less bells and whistles).Have to be a little careful with Thermal Arc's machines in that they have several machines which the refer to as the AM300's. Most are DC only, with the AM 300 AC/DC being the only one capable of AC (read aluminum) welding.If that's the one you ordered, I'm sure you'll like it. Let us know what you think. It was one of the machines I considered (along with a used Dynasty 300) before I upgraded my Sync. Now, I'm leaning towards keeping the current Sync and trying the new Dynasty 200 DX as a supplement (not replacement).I will say that I had "a heck of a time" getting a price on the AM 300 AC/DC. My LWS. who's a good friend, was way high (about 8% off retail) and IOC didn't even return my call/email. Finally got a decent price from BRWelding. Still a lot more than I paid for my Sync 250 DX Tigrunner.
Reply:If it can mig and ac/dc pulse tig, $5300 is well worth it. Would be like having an XMT with a Dynasty DX inside it too...MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Originally Posted by DesertRider33If it can mig and ac/dc pulse tig, $5300 is well worth it. Would be like having an XMT with a Dynasty DX inside it too...
Reply:True, but you'd have to buy the feeder and torch if you got an XMT too, even on a super dreamy XMT with a Dynasty hidden somewhere inside. MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Originally Posted by DesertRider33True, but you'd have to buy the feeder and torch if you got an XMT too, even on a super dreamy XMT with a Dynasty hidden somewhere inside.I had considered the Arc Master 300 ACDC, but I didn't have the cash to swing it and I already had the PowCon for stick and mig-p to run the Cobramatics, so I bought the TA 185. Later on, I bought the Passport to take over the Millermatic 175's mobile mig duties. I still wish I had bought the TA 300 though, the 185 is short on power for some things and as it turned out, the PowCon lost it's mig capability when the contactor (or something) quit working, so all it does is stick now. I lost use of the Cobramatics and XR, but I'll be getting that back once I get them hooked up to the XMT.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Originally Posted by DesertRider33I had considered the Arc Master 300 ACDC, but I didn't have the cash to swing it and I already had the PowCon for stick and mig-p to run the Cobramatics, so I bought the TA 185. Later on, I bought the Passport to take over the Millermatic 175's mobile mig duties. I still wish I had bought the TA 300 though, the 185 is short on power for some things and as it turned out, the PowCon lost it's mig capability when the contactor (or something) quit working, so all it does is stick now. I lost use of the Cobramatics and XR, but I'll be getting that back once I get them hooked up to the XMT.
Reply:Where did you get the $5300 figure, on the Thermal Arc website? If so, that is the MSRP, going price should be less. Hard to find anyone that carries them or advertises the price. I know BR Welding on Ebay can get you a 300 if you want one, I called them for a quote when I was considering buying one.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:I got it right here http://www.brweldingsupplies.com/bra...ndex.cfm?id=13
Reply:Ok wait a minute. We're apparently confusing the various 300 machines that Thermal Arc makes. Here is the owner's manual for the Arc Master 300 ACDC. It does not do mig, it is constant-current (stick-tig) only. http://www.thermadyne.com/IM_Uploads...0ACDC%20CE.pdfMM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Maybe it was the LM300 or Pro Wave 300 that did mig tig and stick... Hmmm...MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:To be exact this is the model I'm talking about and it is Mig ready,you just need the wire feeder. http://www.brweldingsupplies.com/bra...w=11&PageNum=2
Reply:Anyhow, the price from BR would be the 'going' price for the AM300, especially since BR seems to be the only retailer that advertises the 300.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:If Thermal Arc is saying the AM300ACDC can mig and flux core, then they must be talking about using a voltage-sensing feeder on constant-current cause I don't see in the manual where it says anything about it having constant-voltage output.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Guess I better start scraping up the money for the 300 AC/DC it does everything https://www.mythermadyne.com/thc/en/...Specifications
Reply:You have to buy this piece to get Mig capabilities https://www.mythermadyne.com/thc/en/...uctID=W3512002
Reply:If you read on the bottom of that page, it states mig and flux core with a voltage sensing feeder on constant current. The controls on the 300 in the manual are exactly the same as the controls on my 185. There is no constant voltage mig mode. You can mig or fluxcore on constant current with a voltage sensing feeder on just about any kind of welding power supply, but I doubt you will be happy with mig'ing on constant current. Mig is best done with constant voltage.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Yeah, that VS 212 is just a voltage sensing feeder with constant current mode. It is basicaly a Hobart Hefty. The equivalent in Miller feeders is the Suitcase 12VS and the equivalent in Lincoln is the LN25. All of those are good feeders, but all of them work better on constant voltage.I would find someone with a voltage sensing constant current capable feeder to let you weld with it on a constant current power source and compare it to a regular mig welder and see how you like it before commiting to mig'ing on constant current with the AM300.Last edited by DesertRider33; 03-07-2009 at 12:22 AM.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Originally Posted by DesertRider33If you read on the bottom of that page, it states mig and flux core with a voltage sensing feeder on constant current. The controls on the 300 in the manual are exactly the same as the controls on my 185. There is no constant voltage mig mode. You can mig or fluxcore on constant current with a voltage sensing feeder on just about any kind of welding power supply, but I doubt you will be happy with mig'ing on constant current. Mig is best done with constant voltage.
Reply:Now I'm trying to think of which Thermal Arc machine had true constant voltage mig output as well as constant current tig/stick in the 300 class....MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Originally Posted by DesertRider33Now I'm trying to think of which Thermal Arc machine had true constant voltage mig output as well as constant current tig/stick in the 300 class....
Reply:Yeah the Invision and XMT series would both be awesome if they had AC. My XMT is a great stick and mig welder, so is the PowCon, but neither has AC. The XMT has dc tig which I haven't tried yet. I'm sure it will do fine though.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:If you want an engine drive, you could get a Trailblazer or a Ranger and an HF box.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Desert,Thermal Arc's literature on the AM 300 AC/DC does show a GMAW capability using .023-.045 wire. Requires the optional Portafeed VS 212 (used in CC mode for GMAW and FCAW welding).Basically, it will do GMAW, but whether it does it well remains to be seen. I agree with your comments about CC GMAW.Personally, I still think, when the manufacturers try to jam too much into a "multipurpose machine", some processes suffer.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Broc,You're not supposed to tell everyone my secrets. (I may want to sell that Sync some day). Now everyone will think I'm a thief.I really didn't "steal" the welder, however I did have to keep checking the mirror to see if I still had my mask on as I was driving back up Interstate 95.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Even though my TA 185 doesn't list mig as a capability, I could hook up a Suitcase VS feeder to it, flip the switch in the feeder to constant current and mig weld with it, probly with about the same success as with the TA 300. I could do the same with my Dialarc, or the Bobcat in constant current stick mode. None are true mig machines though.I guess you just have to define for yourself what a mig machine is. To me, a mig machine has dc constant voltage output with a remote contactor and a gas valve. Whether the contactor and gas valve are in the power source or the feeder doesn't matter, as long as they're controlled by the gun trigger.Last edited by DesertRider33; 03-07-2009 at 01:49 AM.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Originally Posted by DesertRider33Even though my TA 185 doesn't list mig as a capability, I could hook up a Suitcase VS feeder to it, flip the switch in the feeder to constant current and mig weld with it, probly with about the same success as with the TA 300. I could do the same with my Dialarc, or the Bobcat in constant current stick mode. None are true mig machines though.I guess you just have to define for yourself what a mig machine is. To me, a mig machine has dc constant voltage output with a remote contactor and a gas valve. Whether the contactor and gas valve are in the power source or the feeder doesn't matter, as long as they're controlled by the gun trigger.
Reply:That will be one sweet stable of machines with all those high end Millers! MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Hey all. You fellas seem to be well informed... any recomendations for a TA rep? I'm outfitting a new shop and I'm trying to get a handle on all of my options for supplier. I've been in contact with Blue and Red, as well as HTP, about machine packages, but I for some reason am having a hard time contacting a Thermal Arc rep. Help?FIRE AND WIRE
Reply:Jay:Where in SW Michigan are you? I picked up my Thermal machine from Wilsons but they are now known as Praxair. |
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