1936 SA200 Restoration

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It has begun. when will it be done I do not know.It is a Lincoln SA200Manufactured in 1936.Powered by a Waukesha FC12 engineHand CrankI am uploading photos a couple at a time14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Loaded in the truck and prior to disassebly.It came with a box of parts and the original radiator. the radiator is in excellent condition and stored in a safe place. 14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:1. Detail not seen today. Not painted, not a decal but cast into the plate.2. What will we find inside.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Not only is it Stuck, It's Frozen as well.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
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Reply:1. Found the pistons, Magnet says their Iron.2. skeletonized lifter galleyThis will require lots of patience and then some.....14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Acetone and ATF mixed 50/50 works a good as the best penetrating oil.Leo
Reply:1. Now thats a fuel filter2. Say hello to my little friend, his name is patience.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Originally Posted by NVWAcetone and ATF mixed 50/50 works a good as the best penetrating oil.
Reply:With the original frame14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Frame removed14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Thats water on top of a thick layer of sludge. Glad its there as it kept the water from eating the crankcase from the inside out. Draincock added onto water inlet14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:and the water inlet bolted to this...14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:And this is all there is for engine electrical.I would say the Fairbanks Morse  keyed on / off switch was wired but died and replaced by this more modern hi tech device.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Ok thats it for tonight. I will be back at it tomorrow. Has anyone got any how to's on seperating the Generator from the motor? The armeture bearing has a grease cup so I am wondering if it is retained with a set screw or press fitt.So far I have not had any issue with difficult fastners but then I am at the greasey end of things.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:That's awesome. Bet she will be a sweetie when all said and done.Melt-n-Metal
Reply:Please keep coming with the pictures and rebuild progress..
Reply:Those old nuts and bolts were made of real first time steel, not this recycled crap we have now. I will gladly disassemble a 70 to 90 year old machine before I try a 10 to 20 year old one.I'm working a couple of 1929's right now.Anyways, peruse the redpower tractor website for parts for that Waukesha as it was on the early Farmall F12's.Don't bother trying to contact Waukesha engine as the last guy at the factory that new anything about the old engines retired 15 years ago.
Reply:SeanMurphy265 Thanks for the sugestion. I have not heard of this one but am willing to give it a try.Looking and mangleweld I take photos  from every angle before during and after. Then never seem to have just what I want when I go looking for an answer.Druginin  Thanks for the info on the Red Power Forum for the Waukesha. Wether by design or accident I to would much rather work on the old rather than the new. Of course outlasting the competition long ago ment making things that would last for years. Today its measured in weeks or day's.Ok todays progress was limited due to the needs of family, dad can we go out driving today. Friends who needed help with fallen trees and my neighbors who got thier backhoe stuck in the mud. All but 1 rear tire was burried out of site. Allright so I did have fun with the kids and friends and a speciall delight in digging the neighbor out with my own machine. Today was spent assesing the generator end of the works. I did progress along slowly, not wanting to wreck anything that wasnt already in need of replacement.  all disasembly was done by hand with no pneumatics or hot wrenchs.first was to remove the main brush cover and see what varmints may have tried to move in.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Not to bad compared to a few I have seen. appears to be a mouse nest. The greatest problem with these nests is the urine. It can be pretty bad and it is corrosive as heck,vacumed out, very little wear on the comunicator. Note the screw in the brush holder plate. It appears to have been a repair. There is a crack in th plate14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Original cast exciter coverAll seems intact14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Esciter brush holder plate seems to be intact. Should clean up well and be reusable.Reverse side shows that the rivets used to hold the brush holders in place are showing thier age and will need to be addressed14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:looking at the armeture shaft nut I noticed this pin. As there is no lock washer or tab over washer it appeard to be some sort of "lock" to keep the nut from backing off. Carefully I pried it away from the shaft thread. it does go thru to the back side of the nut. Also there is a notch in the nut above the location of the pin. Why?For orietaition of the nut, spacer and exciter armeture14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Exciter armeture is in great shape. Again the communicator has hardly any wear.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Rheostat to armeture coil bolted together. untaped and it came apart like it was assembled yesterday.control panel wiring disconected and labled. I dont know if heatshrink tubing will take care of this14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180CThere are 5 screws that hold the Main Brush cover in place. The top two screw into angled tabs. These tabs are held in place behind the top bolts for the Welder bracket and exciter frame. I tried every possible tool and way I could to access and loosen the bolts. No go. I had to strieghten the tabs in order to remove the bolts, not a huge deal as long as they dont crack and break off when I bend them back for reassembly14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Now I have a question. I have removed the 4 bolts that connect the Welder bracket/exciter frame to the generator frame. The Armeture bearing is inside a "pillow block" that the grease cup is threaded into. This "pillow block" is assembled with 4 bolts. You can see 3 of the 4 bolts beyond the exciter coils in the photo. Also the tube from the grease cup is blocking the fourth.I installed the puller that i have used to remove the same frame from the armeture shafts on "newer" sa200's. I applied some pressure and got no movement.  I have no desire to break somthing that I cannot replace because I did not ask for help. Do you know what the propper dissasembley method is for this frame removal?ATTACH]349111[/ATTACH] Attached Images14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:I've taken on some lost causes in my day, this is quite and undertaking, if you pull it off, and I'm sure you will the reward will be great. What is the earliest version of the SA 200. I mean what year was it first built and what did it have for components?"Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251   Syncrowave 300   30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200   1 short hood    SA250    SAM 400
Reply:thats just plum cool
Reply:Wow that is a crusty dog, good luck with the restoration!  Wish I could help but I don't know anything about the old SAs.  I wouldn't doubt that after sitting so long lots of pentetrating fluid, heat and force might be needed to get the sucker apart.  Don't know about the old engine but I'd bet if you can find parts it is repairable, doesn't look like much going on.  Wonder if you could run modern pistons/rings in that sucker.  Good luck with it and keep us posted.
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Reply:Andex, just wanted to thank you for sharing this project. I love seeing this old stuff brought back to life while making it look almost new.Best of luck and keep us posted.  PapaLincoln Idealarc 250 (circa 1962)Lincoln Weldpak 155 w/Mig KitLincoln Squarewave TIG 175
Reply:cool thread
Reply:Do you think the notch was a swage to lock the pin in place, creating a lock nut?
Reply:jones2780. I thought the same thing, the pin has a small amount of rotational movment but none lateraly. The notch is very straight and clean as if it were machined. No bulgeing as if it were swaged. I recieved some good info from Kaye at Bills Welder Repair on how to propperly disassemble what I will call the, bearing cage, for now and the armeture bearing. I wont have a chance to get back at it until this weekend. More pic's to follow of course.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:I've seen these pin type nut locks on old pump jack (oil field) equipment coming through the shop.
Reply:Looks good Paul, Glad to see its getting done.Miller Big 40GMiller HF-251 D High FreqVictor OA Lincoln 135 MigMK 3A CobramaticBridgeport J HeadCronatron OxylanceRadnor ACAG TorchWeldcraft TIG Torches1 blown knee and two 5 Gallon pails away from being a hero.
Reply:thats a anco nut bethlehem steel sold them
Reply:jcp, Pavinsteelman  Just did a search on " anco nut " and they are still available. Cape Cod Gary I parked it front of all the rest and in the way of others. and it worked. I will be back at after work tomorrow. Now that Bill and Kaye have given me some good info to dissasemble the " Bearing Cup " I have been itching to get to it.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:That is supper cool. Keep the pictures coming.
Reply:Andex, I found just the person who can suck those old fuel lines and oil lines clean for you on your restore. Shes been doing it for some time by the looks of it. Attached Images
Reply:Good evening all, time for a belated update.Finally got at today. The generator is now removed from the engine. It took about 8+ hours to get it done but I did not want to rush into it. I had to run to the auto store and purchase a few items to modify into tooling.All came apart without any breakage. I believe all will be reusable with some time, effort and a good dose of patience. Oh yeah and a wad of cash..I will be posting the photos with comments.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:A view showing one of four of the bearing cup bolts. long 1/4x20. Dont break it..Also note the head of the rocker (rack) screw. From inside the exciter housing14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:wow what a job
Reply:I could not remove the two side bolts from the bearing cup. The excitor coils were in the way. So they had to come outThis is just to note the size and location should they bag get ripped.I bag and tag all hardware as it comes off of the machine. I have always been able to put things back together no matter how long it had been since taking it apart. But I am a liitle older and who knows when it will be back together. Months, years ...?Excitor coils and laminations. Still in very good condition.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Bearing cup bolts and grease cup removedA few taps with hammer and drift from the back side and the cup moves forward14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Bearing cup removed, finally.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Now that thas out of the way what have we here.The Armeture bearing nut, retained by a tab over washer.I had to dig up a really long handle chisel, found an old rock chisel and ground a new edge on it. the tab was really tight on the nut14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:To remove the Armeture nut I picked up an axle nut socket and a short piece of exhuast pipe. miged the two together and off came the nut ,. the nut is 2 1/4 and the socket is 2 1/2 but it is hex with the corners cut off. I was going to resize it a bit but gave it a try as is and it worked. its deffiinately not pretty and will get some mods before I use it again.I twisted up the bent hook and used a magnet to get the washers out. The grease had them stuck together and to the bearing face.Here is what came out. Bolts, bearing cup, Armeture nut and washers.  I think the washers also act as shims.14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C
Reply:Ready to pullNot fancy but it's worked every timeIt Moving !!!!!14 SA200's from 1936 to 1973SA250,  Classic 300D she hasnt seen yet...Yes she hasESAB Power Cut 16002 LN25 innershield, MigMagnum SG Spool Gun / Control ModuleTig Module K930250/250 round topPower Mig 180C