HOBART HANDLER 210 or 190

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I have been trying to decide which welder to buy. The Hobart Handler 190 with spool gun 100 looks like a nice set up. The problem I have is that one site says yes, it can be run on 120 or 220, and other sites say only the 210 will run either voltage. Which is it? What are the advantages of the 210 over the 190 other than the 210 has 20 more amps? I can buy the 190 with spool gun kit on Amazon for $849.00. I didn't find the 210 with spool gun package though. Anyone seen this?
Reply:I'm pretty sure the 210 is the only one Hobart makes that is dual voltage. Extra amperage will make a big difference if you want to do alum. With alum bigger is almost always better since alum is such a good heat sink. More heat allows you more adjustment frequently. The 190 maxed out in both wire and volts will do 1/8" alum. The 210 will give you a bit more room to make adjustments on 1/8" and do say 3/16" alum..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:The Handler 190 is 230 volt input only. The Handler 210 MVP is 120 0r 230 volt input.ESAB Migmaster 250 Hobart Ironman 230Multimatic 215TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211iHH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unitMaxstar 150 STH - very nice
Reply:From the source: http://www.hobartwelders.com/products/wirefeed/Millermatic 200Hobart Handler 120Victor O/A & Ramco BandsawLincoln 225 ACSnapOn AD HoodMiller XMT304/22AHypertherm Powermax 1650 G3Lincoln Idealarc DC600 w/Extreme 12 VSMiller Digital Elite "Joker"
Reply:210MVP. = Multi Voltage Power I think that's what it stands for. I haven't read or heard a single bad thing about that. If I was in the market for a dual voltage mig I would buy the 210MVP hands down! It's also what like $800-$900?!?!Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Originally Posted by Gamble210MVP. = Multi Voltage Power I think that's what it stands for. I haven't read or heard a single bad thing about that. If I was in the market for a dual voltage mig I would buy the 210MVP hands down! It's also what like $800-$900?!?!
Reply:^^I knew I was close. ThanksI thought there was just a thread on the 210mvp vs the 211mvp and the hobart can get more wire speed than the miller.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
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Reply:One of the attractive things I saw about the 190 with spool runner is that you get the spool runner for $100.00 less if you get the combo kit. From what I can tell, if you buy the 210 for $900.00, then you still pay full bore for the Spool runner.... a total of $1,100.00 Quite a jump from $849.00 you can get the 190 for. Decisions decisions.....someone sway me one way or the other.
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Reply:Originally Posted by WookieWeldingi would spend the extra money and get the miller 211 and not have tapped voltage control that the hobart has
Reply:If you live near a Farm & Fleet they are both on sale now. 594 for the 190 and 784 for the 210. If you apply for their CC you get an additional 10% off that plus 6 months interest free.MM252 30AMaxstar 150STrailblazer 301gDialarc 2509100XX Hypertherm PM 30                      Milwaukee4 BaldorsKohlswa shop anvilScott truck anvilStonewell farrier rig
Reply:I haven't ran the 190 on aluminum, and have very little 210 aluminum experience so I can't comment on this area of machine performance. On steel though, I can point out that the additional top end power makes the 210 the better 1/4" unit. I always seemed to like the 187/190 a little better over the 210 for 3/16" and thinner steel. I am most definitely not disappointed with my 210 MVP though. For some reason out of all the units I have listed in my signature the 210 MVP seems to be my go to unit for most of my projects.ESAB Migmaster 250 Hobart Ironman 230Multimatic 215TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211iHH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unitMaxstar 150 STH - very nice
Reply:Originally Posted by DanI haven't ran the 190 on aluminum, and have very little 210 aluminum experience so I can't comment on this area of machine performance. On steel though, I can point out that the additional top end power makes the 210 the better 1/4" unit. I always seemed to like the 187/190 a little better over the 210 for 3/16" and thinner steel. I am most definitely not disappointed with my 210 MVP though. For some reason out of all the units I have listed in my signature the 210 MVP seems to be my go to unit for most of my projects.
Reply:Originally Posted by copeI'll take the IM230 off your hands and pay the shipping.
Reply:Please compare your Hobart to a Esab 250 plus. Then you will see how superior a stock Esab is/was..Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XPlease compare your Hobart to a Esab 250 plus. Then you will see how superior a stock Esab is/was..