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So I decided to do a little stick practice with the Dialarc.  I was amazed at how well the 6010 started. After a few rods, I realized that the HF was on and set to start.   So my question is: is this okay to use HF START with DC stick welding.  Sure does take the sick out of it.... Sent w/ Tapatalk using Swype, pls excuse typos now FreeLast edited by 7A749; 10-08-2013 at 08:04 AM.Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:***sorry about typo in title... can't change it***So I decided to do a little stick practice with the Dialarc.  I was amazed at how well the 6010 started. After a few rods, I realized that the HF was on and set to start.   So my question is: is this okay to use HF START with DC stick welding.  Sure does take the sick out of it.... Sent w/ Tapatalk using Swype, pls excuse typos now Free[/QUOTE]Sent w/ Tapatalk using Swype, pls excuse typos now FreeTiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpaw***sorry about typo in title... can't change it***So I decided to do a little stick practice with the Dialarc.  I was amazed at how well the 6010 started. After a few rods, I realized that the HF was on and set to start.  I suppose hearing folks would have heard the HF buzzing.   So my question is: is this okay to use HF START with DC stick welding.  Sure does take the sick out of it.... Sent w/ Tapatalk using Swype, pls excuse typos now Free
Reply:I suppose hearing folks would have heard the HF buzzing or whatever sound it makes.   On a side note, tapatalk updated recently, don't like the new interface.   Keeps quoting when I want to just edit my posts...Sent w/ Tapatalk using Swype, pls excuse typos now FreeTiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:This article is a little long winded, about the middle of the article it explains the advantages of using continuous high frequency when SMAW. http://www.google.com/patents/WO1996027471A1?cl=enDon’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:This is similar to some thoughts I had about my new TIG/Stick welder....I only recently 'got my feet wet' with TIG. (I've been sucsessful with MIG & Stick for a couple of years now). The cheep (the 'better' Harbor Fright one) TIG welder I bought does stick and TIG. When doing TIG, you have to use a push button (no foot pedal) on the torch to get the high frequency start and hold the button to keep the DCEN & gas flowing...What if I swapped to the stick stinger and left the control in the TIG position?I would have to: - Leave the gas turned off at the tank - Rig a push button on the stinger to start the process.So, anyone else think this is rational?Be wary of The Numbers: Figures don't lie,. but liars can figure.Welders:2008 Lincoln 140 GMAW&FCAW2012 HF 165 'toy' GTAW&SMAW1970's Cobbled together O/A
Reply:I wouldn't go 2-seconds out of my way for it. But I'm not big on reinventing the wheel. SMAW has been working just fine for me the conventional way all these years. Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:I was always educated and even experienced that youd get one hellva ride from the hf if you tried to stick weld with it.Sure enough I had continous hf on one day and I got bit.Old stinger? Sweaty palms? Hf intensity too much?Ill never know. Was too young and dumb back then to investigate .Miller Dynasty 200DXMiller Spectrum 250DMiller Millermatic 200Bunch of old blue dinosaurs....
Reply:The volt/amp curve is different for TIG than stick, so if you have a multi-mode welder, it may not weld right in TIG mode with a stick electrode.Everlast PA160-STH... and that's about it!
Reply:SouthPaw:I use the HF Start on my Dial Arc with stick sometimes and it helps a lot.  Especially in those close fit and hard to reach spots.  My owners manual says not to weld with the HF in the continuous mode.  The guys from Miller just shrug their shoulders when asked about using the start mode but have all commented that it make life easy.A couple of decades ago I attended a welding clinic hosted by a farm supply that was just taking on Century Welders.  The factory rep demoed an optional HF unit by starting the arc and setting the stinger down on the table.  He then moved around to the back of the crowd and began his speel from that position only after the rod had burned to the clamp and extinguished itself.  Surprised most of the folks in the room and sold a few of the units.  The few really experienced welders figured it out when the rod angle went screwy, cause we were used to watching more than the arc, but it impressed the natives none the less.RogerOld, Tired, and GRUMPYSalesman will call, Batteries not included, Assembly is required, and FREE ADVICE IS WORTH EXACTLY WHAT YOU PAY FOR IT!Dial Arc 250HFThunderbolt 225 AC/DCAssorted A/O torches
Reply:I've stuck a rod in the collet on my tig torch and stomped the peddle before when I needed to only burn one rod and didn't want to unhook everything. Still had to use gas to keep the cable from overheating but it worked just fine and sure did start nice, now my rig does only use HF to start the arc and it is not continuous so I'm not sure how that would work but I could see a pretty unfriendly feeling shock through the gloves if your not careful about where your hands are.
Reply:Originally Posted by joshuabardwellThe volt/amp curve is different for TIG than stick, so if you have a multi-mode welder, it may not weld right in TIG mode with a stick electrode.
Reply:Originally Posted by mike837goPlease, expand.My understanding is that the early Heliarc brand welding equipment was AC stick welders with the gas plumbing &valves and tungsen torch instead of the stinger.(as I said, I'm new to TIG)
Reply:I think I'll open the case (again) and see how many circuts the Stick/TIG switch seem to connect into.As long as the tip of rod is welding distance from the work, I shouldn't get the HF going-through-me-to-ground.It still requires a momentary switch to turn the welding power on/off.Be wary of The Numbers: Figures don't lie,. but liars can figure.Welders:2008 Lincoln 140 GMAW&FCAW2012 HF 165 'toy' GTAW&SMAW1970's Cobbled together O/A
Reply:hey southpaw,those may not be typo's.go into settings and turn off autocorrect.miller thunderbolt 250vlincoln square wave tig 175 prolincoln idealarc mig sp250everlast tig 210EXTeverlast power plasma 50chicago electric (hf) 130 tig/90 arcchicago electric 90 amp flux wire3 sets oxy/acet
Reply:Originally Posted by mike837goPlease, expand.My understanding is that the early Heliarc brand welding equipment was AC stick welders with the gas plumbing &valves and tungsen torch instead of the stinger.
Reply:By way of example, a person used to welding with a "stick" volt/amp curve who was welding on a "TIG" volt/amp curve would be frustrated by an inability to modulate the arc by adjusting arc length. If the arc was too hot, he would shorten the arc length, and nothing would happen, and nothing would happen, and then suddenly the rod would stick (as he finally hit the vertical part of the curve and amps dropped off). On the flip-side, a person who was used to a "TIG" volt/amp curve who was welding on a "stick" volt/amp curve would have a hard time keeping his arc consistent. Whereas in "TIG" mode, small changes in arc length don't substantially affect heat input, in "stick" mode, they would, and small changes in arc length that the operator never even noticed in "TIG" mode would become apparent.Everlast PA160-STH... and that's about it!
Reply:Originally Posted by joshuabardwellFor example, pipe welders (so I'm told) love the volt/amp curve of the venerable SA-200 because it means they can adjust the heat input to the weld in real-time by varying arc length. They don't have to go back to their truck to turn the machine up or down.
Reply:Thanks a whole lot. It all actually makes sense. Well, as a hobbyist, I haven't developed the habits/consitancies of professional welders, so I am going to give it a shot.My educated guess (remember, I bought a cheep (Harbor...) machine) is that they designed very little difference between the TIG and Stick circutry. Differences cost money, y'know....As a trained electionics tech (who has been hit with 14,000Hz @ 350V [once was enough]), I'll take the safety precautions to 'not get any high frequency on me'.Be wary of The Numbers: Figures don't lie,. but liars can figure.Welders:2008 Lincoln 140 GMAW&FCAW2012 HF 165 'toy' GTAW&SMAW1970's Cobbled together O/A