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Lincoln Ranger 225 amp 3350.00 dollars including shipping with free extended warranty 3 years to 5 years or 200.00 dollar rebateLincoln Ranger 250 amp 4250.00 dollars including shipping with free extended warranty 3 years to 5 years or 500.00 dollar rebateMiller 225 amp 3475.00 dollars including shipping 3 year warranty only. After March 15th. Spend 500.00 dollars on accessory pkg. and get 500.00 rebateMiller 250 amp EFI 4049.00 dollars including shipping. 3 year warranty only. After March 15th Spend 500.00 dollars on accessory pkg. and get 500.00 rebate.What would you buy?I need it for stand by generator welding occasionally. I have used AC most with 6013 rods. But I am sure with practice and a lot of cussing I could use DC with 7014 rods.Would likely sit a lot not being used. So the 5 year warranty on Lincoln sounds good. But so does the EFI on Miller.I have no problem cleaning carbs and dumping old fuel. Know very little about repairing EFI sounds expensive to repair.I don't have enough power in my workshop to power a 225 amp 220 volt welder or I would go that way. My work shop is about 125 feet from the house and runs of 10 gage wire. Although it has 220 there but low amperage at that distance.I have a 10 k generator that puts out 42 amps but I'm not sure even that would handle 225 amp 220 volt welder.
Reply:Lincoln.Hands down, laying on it's back.Just a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Since you already have a gen set that you don't need why would you buy another one? Look into something like a miller maxstar or whatever process you want and use the generator on hand.
Reply:i vote lincoln too they weld so niceHigh Octane Welding
Reply:If you have 220 how many amps is your main circuit breaker? If it's a 100 amp that is common, it should cost a lot less than $3000 to put more power and/or bigger cable to your workshop.Last edited by Welder Dave; 03-14-2015 at 12:29 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by mikecwikSince you already have a gen set that you don't need why would you buy another one? Look into something like a miller maxstar or whatever process you want and use the generator on hand.
Reply:Originally Posted by mikecwikSince you already have a gen set that you don't need why would you buy another one? Look into something like a miller maxstar or whatever process you want and use the generator on hand.
Reply:I have 10 gage romex underground in 1 inch pvc pipe run from 40 amp breaker in house breaker box. Its about 115 to about 125 foot run. I have 110 volt torpedo diesel heater I run when its cold and a 110 air compressor with lights and a small refrigerator in the shop. Air compressor dims lights if heater is running. But only when it first starts. All of the outlets are on one 20 amp breaker in the shop breaker box. I haven't run any wire off of the other side of the breaker box in shop yet. I should put the air compressor on the other side of the breaker box. Just haven't got around to it yet.
Reply:If you don't have the need to do any portable welding i would in a hearbeat upgrade your electrical service as opposed to buying a portable welder. That's my opinion anyways. I know it's out of your price range but my new Trailblazer 325 welds like an absolute dream!!-DoogieMiller 350PMiller Trailblazer 325 EFI w/ Excel PowerLincoln LN25 suitcase welderXMT 304/22a feederMiller Syncrowave 350LXMiller EconotigHobart Handler 140(2) Uni-Hydro 42-14Hypertherm 65 plasmaWEBB Gap bed lathe
Reply:The 225 amp ranger is DC only. But likely all I would never use AC much anyway. Plus the free extended warranty. Plus I can clean carb. if I let it set to long. DC only and no EFI means less electronic circuit board to replace. About 700 less than 250 amp EFI miller. Miller claims to be lighter and quieter. But what did they take away to make it lighter?
Reply:You are probably right. If I needed portable I could load my 10 k generator and a 225 amp welder.I a guy about 30 miles from me has miller 2012 miller trailblazer 302 for 3800.00 dollars. Has 86 hours on it and 100 feet of cable on each side. Tempting. Likely no warranty left that scares me.
Reply:Really? your worried about the warranty on an 86 hr TB 302? I have one with 4000+ hrs on it, Only repairs so far were brushes at around 2700 hrs. and a crank seal at 3200 ish. That thing will beat the sh!t out of a Ranger or Bobcat, and has 200 feet of copper with it? Do it.
Reply:A Ranger 305G is the comparable Lincoln to the TB302 and welding wise is the better machine. Why do you think Miller discontinued the 302? I've talked to owners that went form a 302 to a 325 and say the 325 has a better arc than the 302. The Excel power option on a 325 is worth the extra money though. A big problem with the new Lincoln's and Millers is if you fill the fuel tank too full. With the new EPA reg's the carbs have to vent back to the gas tank. If the fuel tank is too full, the opposite happens and gas goes down the vent hose flooding the carb. Miller machines have a sticker on the hood warning of this. Lincoln doesn't but just says not to overfill the fuel tank. Lincoln actually says to turn the key on and when the fuel gauge shows full, stop filling. This seems rather stupid. What they don't tell you is that when the carb floods it washes the cylinders down and the engine will burn oil. My buddy had this happen and it cost him about $1500 for an engine rebuild, not much cheaper than a new engine. Lincoln wouldn't cover any of it on warranty! What's even worse is the shop that rebuilt the engine had 7 more Ranger's to do with the same problem. My buddy sold his and will never buy a Lincoln again. There comes a time when the manufacturer has to take responsibility for a major design flaw. On the older Rangers you could fill them up and not have any problems because the carb vented to the atmosphere.
Reply:Originally Posted by Danny BI have entertained that Idea.Was considering the tombstone top Lincoln 225 either AC or AC/DCThey have been around for years. What do you think?Not sure if 10000 watts at 42 amps is enough without overloading generator.Generator is from a phone company utility truck. It is a kohler generator with 4 cylinder liquid cooled engine. About 4500 hours on it.
Reply:What I've always been told is inputs amp x input volts = required input watts to run at full output amps. So say your welder is 30amp input x 220volt input you would need a generator at least 6,600 watts. I think that's right....
Reply:I agree with some of the others, upgrade electrical but...If I were buying one of those i would be leaning toward the Miller with EFI.MillerMatic 212, Lincoln Precision TIG 225, Hypertherm 45XP
Reply:The good old EPA screwing up something else. Thanks for that info. I wonder if the EFI has any problems with this?
Reply:I was thinking it did. I figured there was a formula for amps AC/DC out put to AC volts input
Reply:It is tempting. I usually don't have any failures on items I buy under warranty. But the boards for welders are high and seem to burn out with out warning or reason.I guess one could assume bad batteries and jump starting are a primary cause of board failure.
Reply:Thats assuming 100 percent efficiency and no line surges. My 180 amp syncrowave takes a 50 amp breaker for max output. It can surge to a required input of 10,000 watts while not nearly putting out that much. An inverter will be much more efficient with pfc but will still not be 100 percent.
Reply:I bought a new Miller last fall, not, EFI, known what I know now,I would have bought the EFI. I have the carb model, ice's up almost every time it is started . Solution from Miller is to buy their 'cold weather kit' My solution start it, run it for a few minutes, kill it for about ten minutes, then start it up again, runs great. The problem lies with the humongous intake and large fan on the generator blowing cold air, not sure if the Lincolns use the same Kohler engine.
Reply:they do use the same motors but i hear the best solution is to wrap the carb pink insulation to block the cold airHigh Octane Welding
Reply:I'm not sure if the EFI would have the flooding problem. You wouldn't think so but looking at an owners manual would probably say.
Reply:Originally Posted by Welder DaveI'm not sure if the EFI would have the flooding problem. You wouldn't think so but looking at an owners manual would probably say.
Reply:Originally Posted by Welder DaveA Ranger 305G is the comparable Lincoln to the TB302 and welding wise is the better machine. Why do you think Miller discontinued the 302? I've talked to owners that went form a 302 to a 325 and say the 325 has a better arc than the 302. The Excel power option on a 325 is worth the extra money though. A big problem with the new Lincoln's and Millers is if you fill the fuel tank too full. With the new EPA reg's the carbs have to vent back to the gas tank. If the fuel tank is too full, the opposite happens and gas goes down the vent hose flooding the carb. Miller machines have a sticker on the hood warning of this. Lincoln doesn't but just says not to overfill the fuel tank. Lincoln actually says to turn the key on and when the fuel gauge shows full, stop filling. This seems rather stupid. What they don't tell you is that when the carb floods it washes the cylinders down and the engine will burn oil. My buddy had this happen and it cost him about $1500 for an engine rebuild, not much cheaper than a new engine. Lincoln wouldn't cover any of it on warranty! What's even worse is the shop that rebuilt the engine had 7 more Ranger's to do with the same problem. My buddy sold his and will never buy a Lincoln again. There comes a time when the manufacturer has to take responsibility for a major design flaw. On the older Rangers you could fill them up and not have any problems because the carb vented to the atmosphere.Originally Posted by weldermikeThe caps are not vented anymore, so simple solution, don't fill it to the brim and every so often when you are next to it crack the cap and let out some pressure. Pretty simple. Miller uses the same kohler engine, so it's a kohler flaw in my book. Too never buy a Lincoln machine ever just shows ignorance and name bashing. I own a bunch of red and blue machines, and with the drives I stay red and my shop machines I prefer blue. Millers engine drives suck, I use them at work, so I'm not talking out of my butt. One machine has a little over 200hrs on it and you have to fill it with oil when you fill it with gas, is that a miller issue or a caterpillar issue? Miller had nothing to do with it. Maybe I should look the machines over and maybe there's a sticker that says check engine oil after refueling, that would make things right....right?
Reply:I have the bobcat 250 EFI. I like it. In hindsight it probably wouldn't have been much more to go with the 305g lincoln but having the EFI is nice!Brett
Reply:Id get the Bobcat 225 I have one and sometimes it sits for long period of times even sometimes all winter and fires right up, and its out in the elments in the back of my service truckMiller Dialarc 250Miller Bobcat 225Hobart Oxy/FuelCouple of Dewalt and Milwaukee GrindersJET Bandsaw and Drill Press |
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