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I was set to order the TA 186 and then I found out about the Sync 210. I'm looking for thoughts and realize that we are just comparing spec sheets at this point. I have a MM252 and an Idelarc AC/DC 250, so the I really am only concerned about the TIG side of the equation. Portability with the TA is attractive and I realize that everyone that has a 186 seems to love and recommend that machine. Price difference between the machines is not a factor, or at least not a huge factor.
Reply:I ahve had my thermal arc for bout 4 months now and i am a miller guy and i glad i bought it works great so far only negativ is the factory torch is bulky and eavy got a new one ordered though i have no regrets,so farMILLERMATIC 212 AUTOSETMILLER BOBCAT 250MILLER DIALARC HFMILLER 15A SPOOLGUNMILLER S32P WIRE FEEDERTHERMAL ARC 186 AC/DCPAKMASTER 100XL PLUS
Reply:Comparing the literature, the machines are very similar. The odd thing is that the 186 is portable, but only if you have access to 230v. The 210 has MVP, but I'd hesitate to call it portable, more for the size of the machine than the weight.I called Cyberweld and talked to them. I decided to go with the Miller based on being able to have it serviced locally and the fact that they said warranty issues rates are higher with the new Thermal Arcs. I've read plenty of great reviews about the 186 here, but also picked up on the fact that most felt the 185 was a better machine. This is going to be a light duty machine and mostly for aluminum repair around the shop and I want to learn TIG.
Reply:That 210 is kinda cool. At first I thought it was some kind of photoshop joke.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:I thought the 210 was cool, but the point of an inverter is it's supposed to be light and be able to carry around. Plus to do pulse and some other option you have to purchase the memory card that's what like $200?If it didn't have the memory card thing and came with all those features I'd say it's not bad, but once again I'll stick with my htp.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:i absoloutly love jy thermal arc machine!!! its awsome! the torch is to big but if you can live with that then its awsome!Thermal Arc 186 AC/DC Tig SystemMillermultimatic 200 with spool gunFisher Norris 124lbs AnvilLiebherr Mining and Liebherr Nenzing Craneshttp://www.etsy.com/shop/ShootAphoto
Reply:That can't be a Miller inverter. Where are the 137 different interactive settings? And the waveforms - sine, square, trapezoid, Acme, sawtooth, bunny ears, simulated alligator hide, etc.?"USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:^That was the first thing I changed on mine, was that huge torch!Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:.DittoThis is a nice option for folks that are going to buy Miller (only).But this would not have tempted me away from my decision to get the Invertig 221.Now IF Miller could come up head to head on weight, features, & price vs the HTP 221 thenHTP would have to regroup if they would want to sell any 210 amp inverter TIG units. I guessthat's axiomatic. Originally Posted by GambleI thought the 210 was cool, but the point of an inverter is it's supposed to be light and be able to carry around. Plus to do pulse and some other option you have to purchase the memory card that's what like $200?If it didn't have the memory card thing and came with all those features I'd say it's not bad, but once again I'll stick with my htp.
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumThat can't be a Miller inverter. Where are the 137 different interactive settings? And the waveforms - sine, square, trapezoid, Acme, sawtooth, bunny ears, simulated alligator hide, etc.?
Reply:Originally Posted by GambleI thought the 210 was cool, but the point of an inverter is it's supposed to be light and be able to carry around. Plus to do pulse and some other option you have to purchase the memory card that's what like $200?If it didn't have the memory card thing and came with all those features I'd say it's not bad, but once again I'll stick with my htp.
Reply:Here ya go guys from the spec sheet. Attached ImagesI hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:My thoughts are since the Dynasty280 went nuclear and is a flop, they detuned it and jammed it in a MillerMatic chassis. It has all he earmarks of the EZ model I demoed. Total frankenwelder, and calls it a Syncro.I am going to have to recommend this over the Diversion180. Last edited by shovelon; 07-31-2013 at 03:38 PM.Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonMy thoughts are since the Dynasty280 went nuclear and is a flop, they detuned it and jammed it in a MillerMatic chassis. It has all he earmarks of the EZ model I demoed. Total frankenwelder, and calls it a Syncro.
Reply:Test driving one(SW210) this Saturday.I'll report back.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeMy old syncro 180 crapped out again, 2nd time in 6mths, and I think i'm gonna go for one of these. I emailed my lws this morning and there gonna get back to me with a price today, or in the a.m. My dealer didn't know to much about the machine but he told me he would doubt miller would ruin the syncrowaves rep with a bad product. The one thing I like about it is due to its inverter power source the specs say it will handle a dirty power supply, which is one of the things my electrician said is what keeps screwing up my old machine. There cutting back on the grids and just reaking havoc on machinery and appliances. Sounds good to me
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonLots of people run their Dynasty200s off generators, which can be really bad power. I ran mine of a Harbor Freight geny while it was under warranty and it did fine. Worked the generator good too. I think this will be a good machine. The 280 was almost there and was a beast. Too bad it overheated boards due to insufficient airflow. My little birdy said they were trying to correct the problem with bigger heat sinks. He also said they planned to release this year, but I think that went by the wayside. For a minute there I almost envisioned purchasing one, but I would have to coverup the name.
Reply:''LOL Terry, When I bought my Lincoln engine drive I was hoping it came in stainless so I didn't have to drive around with a red machine in my truck with a bag over my head! No dice, so I keep the bag on the passenger seat for when I need it! ''I hope that cover is '' BLUE "
Reply:I was afraid I'd check in tonight and there would be a dozen posts pointing out what a huge mistake I'd made. Cyberweld sent me the shipping confirmation. It's being drop shipped from Miller's warehouse in GA or TX.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749LMAO!I didn't know the 280 went in the can.Hell, I figured it would be only $1500 cheaper than a stripped down Dynasty 350 anyways! We know how much you LOVE Syncrowaves Terry LMAO.
Reply:Originally Posted by MX727I was afraid I'd check in tonight and there would be a dozen posts pointing out what a huge mistake I'd made. Cyberweld sent me the shipping confirmation. It's being drop shipped froRim Miller's warehouse in GA or TX.
Reply:I hear it is also BLUE tooth enabled.
Reply:I'm still a bit confused as to why they came out with this product. I don't see a direct market need for it. The only real benefit it has over the standard syncro 200 is the 115v input power. Which I guess is really nice for those that don't have 230v available, yet still want a quality, capable tig machine without the price of a full on Dynasty inverter. But with it being built on a full size mig chassis, it kinda limits it's portability. MX727, I am anxious to hear your review of it. Being a Miller product I doubt that you will be disappointed with it.
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumThat can't be a Miller inverter. Where are the 137 different interactive settings? And the waveforms - sine, square, trapezoid, Acme, sawtooth, bunny ears, simulated alligator hide, etc.?
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonIt's a Miller inverter tig. You will be in good company. You should be able to download programs from your cell phone to the machine.I don't get it. Aerowaves and Edsels come to mind.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:I don't think the Synchrowave 210 is targetted for the professional welding shop. Or at least it isn't targeted towards welding shops that have plenty of AC power.I think this is targetted towards smaller machine, automotive, or fab shops where welding isn't the primary task. There's plenty of small shops in "strip" industrial parks that have limited amounts of AC power (I work in one). As my shop has grown, the owner has replaced Synchrowave 250's with Dynastys because it costs too much to add additional electrical service. I suspect this is the customer profile Miller is pursuing.Also, the welding presets remind me of the MM212. That feature is really handy for people that must weld but don't know their parameters like the back of their hand like alot of you folks do (& I respect you for it).It isn't intended to be "portable" like a Dynasty or Invertig, just mobile like a mid-size shop welder (think Lincoln PT225). This machine is probably targetted to take share from the Lincoln PT225. The 210 is theoretically more user friendly than a Lincoln PT225 (parameter presets/lower AC draw/120-240 capable).Last edited by 84JSD; 08-01-2013 at 06:00 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Last I remember it was only a concept machine. I'm really poor at keeping up with their new stuff. I'm still stuck in the '90's when it comes to inverters, I guess What was base price on it Terry?
Reply:Well, it arrived. It was dropped shipped from Ft. Worth warehouse. To my surprise, it ended up being a next day delivery because I picked it up at the terminal this afternoon. Didn't have time to do anything but unload and take off the cardboard. Anyway, they do exist and they are shipping. I agree that these aren't going to compete with the $5000 TIG Runner packages, but when I compared this to the 186 with pedal and cart, I felt like the price was close, I can get service nearby, I didn't really want the big torch that comes with the 186 and I wanted AC/DC capability. Also, it appears the duty cycle is exactly the same as the Sync 200. I'm looking forward to working with this machine. Attached Images
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749That's too bad. I think they should be working really diligently on a machine that size than another slightly larger S'Wave.It has fantastic market potential & a solid user platform. I thought about a Dynasty 200, but frankly after seeing that according to the factory literature the only way you get 200 amps output is with three phase input power, I said forget it. It just doesn't have enough top end for what I do when I need it. I just couldn't see spending over three grand on a machine with such a limited output in AC.Oh, good news on my S'Wave. Sending you a PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Im on my phone right now, but ill look at the miller site again. Unless I read it wrong, thats what I got out of it. Of course, ive seen info be incorrect from the factory before. It has the scaled output diagram just like the xmt machines with a lower output rating for single phase operation. Dont get me wrong, theyre great machines, I just cant justify 3K for what it is
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Im on my phone right now, but ill look at the miller site again. Unless I read it wrong, thats what I got out of it. Of course, ive seen info be incorrect from the factory before. It has the scaled output diagram just like the xmt machines with a lower output rating for single phase operation. Dont get me wrong, theyre great machines, I just cant justify 3K for what it is
Reply:Originally Posted by MX727Well, it arrived. It was dropped shipped from Ft. Worth warehouse. To my surprise, it ended up being a next day delivery because I picked it up at the terminal this afternoon. Didn't have time to do anything but unload and take off the cardboard. Anyway, they do exist and they are shipping. I agree that these aren't going to compete with the $5000 TIG Runner packages, but when I compared this to the 186 with pedal and cart, I felt like the price was close, I can get service nearby, I didn't really want the big torch that comes with the 186 and I wanted AC/DC capability. Also, it appears the duty cycle is exactly the same as the Sync 200. I'm looking forward to working with this machine.
Reply:Sweet looking machine, but I still don't get it. Mostly, why they used the Syncrowave name on it. Maybe it should been a Diversion 210. A Syncro should be a reliable tranny. Although with all the PC boards now, they are less reliably. Price directly between a Diversion and Dynasty. How much are he expansion cards? Are they just small chips and you download to them via your PC, or are they dedicated pricey cards available only through miller?I guess it's just a bigger dynasty at a grand less with alot less features.Last edited by Drf255; 08-02-2013 at 03:48 PM.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Originally Posted by Drf255Sweet looking machine, but I still don't get it. Mostly, why they used the Syncrowave name on it. Maybe it should been a Diversion 210. A Syncro should be a reliable tranny. Although with all the PC boards now, they are less reliably. Price directly between a Diversion and Dynasty. How much are he expansion cards? Are they just small chips and you download to them via your PC, or are they dedicated pricey cards available only through miller?I guess it's just a bigger dynasty at a grand less with alot less features.
Reply:Originally Posted by Drf255Sweet looking machine, but I still don't get it. Mostly, why they used the Syncrowave name on it. Maybe it should been a Diversion 210. A Syncro should be a reliable tranny. Although with all the PC boards now, they are less reliably. Price directly between a Diversion and Dynasty. How much are he expansion cards? Are they just small chips and you download to them via your PC, or are they dedicated pricey cards available only through miller?I guess it's just a bigger dynasty at a grand less with alot less features.
Reply:First off, it takes standard SD cards, so you can those anywhere for under 10 bucks, depending on the size. Secondly, I bet it doesn't take long for some one to figure out how the computer works and create some open source hacks that allow the expansions.
Reply:Originally Posted by MX727I didn't really want the big torch that comes with the 186 and I wanted AC/DC capability.
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Reply:Originally Posted by rahtreelimbsI thought the TA 186 was AC/DC capable???
Reply:Curious, does it say where this machine is made at?
Reply:Got a chance to run the SW 210 tonight.Pretty straight forward controls.Unlike my SW250 you do not hear the hi freq it just lights off and you're on your way,lift arc is nice too. The odd thing(to me) is the fan constantly turns on and off,don't remember this from the Dynasty I have run. On AC in lift arc the arc dropped out twice......not sure if it was me or the machine.I lit the arc and 3/4 the way to having a puddle and the arc went out like I let off the pedal when I did not.Gonna run some stick tomorrow and try it out on 120V just to see what it does.
Reply:Originally Posted by OxfordCurious, does it say where this machine is made at?
Reply:hows the syn 210 functioning?....because im in the process of getting one..
Reply:I got this for my b-day from the wife. I like it a lot. Can't compair it to the Themal Arc 186 but it does what I want and that is TIG and Stick. I only wish it had (-) TIG but I can live with out it. Oh I got it from a place in Indiana off of E-BAY too and for a great price. I'm sure you can find them.
Reply:Without the expansion card the Sync has a little less adjustability, 10 more amps Tig, 20 less amps stick, ability to run on 110V and costs about $1000 more. I'm happy with my TA186 and nothing in that comparison would make me want to switch, but I'm sure they are both good machines.
Reply:Originally Posted by jbiberstonI got this for my b-day from the wife. I like it a lot. Can't compair it to the Themal Arc 186 but it does what I want and that is TIG and Stick. I only wish it had (-) TIG but I can live with out it. Oh I got it from a place in Indiana off of E-BAY too and for a great price. I'm sure you can find them. |
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