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A lot of people have air cooled torches, they come with most beginner to intermediate tig machines.Personally I spend so much time clamping and prepping the material to weld I never really come close to reaching the limits of air cooled torches, plus I have a water cooled torch I use most of the time!, but when I dip a tungsten and contaminate it, it is nice to be able to cool the ceramic off with water and then quickly change out the tungsten. People have told me it would crack but I guess I've never gotten it that hot to make it crack.A water cooled setup can be as cheap as a new water cooled torch $100 and a 5 gallonn bucket with submersible pump $75, they can also be as expensive as $550 to $1200 and more for a radiator box with new water cooled torch. I started a new thread because the last one turned into joke fest. Even if you dont' think removing rubber insulation from the tig torch is wise, you can still make an air torch skinnier and easier to handle leave the rubber on and cool it with water as well.if you have smart azz comments please post on the joke fest thread, hope you enjoy the videoI've been testing out this setup for a couple of days with no issues, even had water get into the torch ceramic and it evaporated within 10 seconds. Never got shocked, or destroyed anything either.Last edited by AluminumWelder; 03-09-2015 at 12:08 PM.
Reply:I cut off a tiny bit more rubber insulation under the torch head and found out that the rubber insulation around the neck of torch has a hole in the center where the argon goes through, unfortunatley cauisng my torch to leak argon gas. I'll patch it up with some high temperature silicon latter, just wrapped some electrical tape around it for now. I would of thought the electrical tape would instnatly melt but it held up fine for the 5 ot 10 minutes I was fixing stuff today. I always though these torches were expensive but found them on ebay for $12, so if you just want to experiment it's not gonna cost much.
Reply:This could be the dumbest thing I've ever seen...seriously.You want to make your torch for the longevity smaller, it's easy. BUY A SMALLER HANDLE. It's less than $10, it's not a hack job and takes 30 seconds to install. You can also buy a trigger switch that will zip tie to the handle for $5.Then removing insulation and dipping the torch in water? You are joking right?!?!Here are 2 simple ways to remove heat from your air cooled torch. PUT IT DOWN AND WALK AWAY. Probably the easiest solution. Second is get a chunk of aluminum or copper and rest your torch on there.You going to show people how to stick your figure in an outlet next after you dip it in water?Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:^ I have to agree with Gamble. I thought the first thread was actually a joke. I am a pipe welder and use an air cooled 17vf tig torch all day 100-135 amps. Welding anywhere from 30 seconds to 10 minutes with out stopping. Yeah the torch can get pretty warm but that's why you wear gloves. It's kool that you are trying something new but the best way to cool an air cooled torch is to let the argon flow. The argon cools the power cable and the torch body.Last edited by RodBender; 03-15-2015 at 05:11 PM.Local 83
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Reply:Wow, just WOW.Miller Big 40GMiller HF-251 D High FreqVictor OA Lincoln 135 MigMK 3A CobramaticBridgeport J HeadCronatron OxylanceRadnor ACAG TorchWeldcraft TIG Torches1 blown knee and two 5 Gallon pails away from being a hero.
Reply:IMHO I think that this is a dangerous video to be putting out there. There is the possibility that someone (with limited knowledge of tig welding) could see this video and think "Hey my torch is to hot to hold, I think I'll try this", and then get electrocuted. You should at least put a disclaimer that states "Doing this procedure involves putting an electrical device into water, proceed at your own discretion"This of course is just one mans humble opinion.Also, I apologize if you think that I am making a "Smart azz comment" because I am not, I am just troubled by this video.thanksLast edited by PB17654; 03-15-2015 at 05:33 PM.AHP AlphaTig 200x 3rd gen.Lincoln Power Mig 210MP
Reply:Originally Posted by GambleYou going to show people how to stick your figure in an outlet next after you dip it in water?
Reply:AluminumWelder = The reason hair dryers have warning labels saying "Do not use in Shower"You should hook up with Sean and start your own YouTube welding channel. You could be the next YouTube sensation. Wait I think I found your YouTube channel. How to Make Proper Wiring Connections: Last edited by soutthpaw; 03-15-2015 at 06:00 PM.Tiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Taking the protective plastic off of a torch is dangerous. I'm not even got a mention the whole dipping the torch in water to cool it off? Wtf man someone is gonna get hurt.Millermatic 211Miller Syncrowave 350lx with cooler and tigrunner Thermal Dynamics cutmaster 811955 National Cylinder Gas O/A setup with original patina
Reply:Some peoples kids should not be reproducing. There is a reason for all " that extra insulation" on torches.
Reply:Originally Posted by AluminumWelderI cut off a tiny bit more rubber insulation under the torch head and found out that the rubber insulation around the neck of torch has a hole in the center where the argon goes through, unfortunatley cauisng my torch to leak argon gas. I'll patch it up with some high temperature silicon latter, just wrapped some electrical tape around it for now. I would of thought the electrical tape would instnatly melt but it held up fine for the 5 ot 10 minutes I was fixing stuff today. I always though these torches were expensive but found them on ebay for $12, so if you just want to experiment it's not gonna cost much.
Reply:...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
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Reply:Originally Posted by GambleThis could be the dumbest thing I've ever seen...seriously.You want to make your torch for the longevity smaller, it's easy. BUY A SMALLER HANDLE. It's less than $10, it's not a hack job and takes 30 seconds to install. You can also buy a trigger switch that will zip tie to the handle for $5.Then removing insulation and dipping the torch in water? You are joking right?!?!
Reply:Or you just buy a CK 130 9 series size torch that uses the same parts as a water cooled 20 series torch, but has more duty cycle than the standard 17 torches do. Smaller size AND higher duty cycle.But hey, that would make sense... Why would you want to do something like that?.No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:It is interesting that Aluminumwelder has joined the "If you don't agree with me, don't comment" club. The author of the video is a charter member of that club. Whatever happened to the guy with the "home made cold saw"? I think he may have started the club.Jerry 30+ yrs Army Infantry & Field Artillery, 25 yrs agoMiller 350LX Tig Runner TA 210, spool gunLincoln 250/250 IdealArcESAB PCM 500i PlasmaKazoo 30" vert BSKazoo 9x16 horiz BSClausing 12x24 lathe20T Air Press
Reply:Originally Posted by AluminumWeldera smaller handle would still be bigger than my method and would just look "nicer" for those anal retentive to care enough, the actual electrical resistance or protection is the same, so who cares. anal BS. I prefer utility over looks. If you are stupid enough to turn the torch on when in water and and to touch it then yes you will get a shock. What's ironic is you jokesters are oblivious to the fact that the same distance away is a big azz glowing arc of electricity that could very well shock you. some how you will weld every day of the year thinking that is safe, but if someone makes a second uninsulated danger zone the same distance away it is suddenly a huge safety hazard? sorry not logical not gonna even comment on your outlet statement, too stupid of an analogy to even consider.
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Reply:Originally Posted by storemanIt is interesting that Aluminumwelder has joined the "If you don't agree with me, don't comment" club. The author of the video is a charter member of that club. Whatever happened to the guy with the "home made cold saw"? I think he may have started the club.Jerry
Reply:Instead of removing the handle, just replace it with this one:http://www.grainger.com/product/MILL...-Knurled-6UHN0That's what I did before getting my water cooled torch and it works great.kidtigger24 They think Im crazy, but I know better. It is not I who am crazy. It is I who am MAD!
Reply:Insanity. This is SWOG"Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
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Reply:Originally Posted by DSWOr you just buy a CK 130 9 series size torch that uses the same parts as a water cooled 20 series torch, but has more duty cycle than the standard 17 torches do. Smaller size AND higher duty cycle.
Reply:Originally Posted by Welder DaveYou better hurry off to the patent office before CK, Weldcraft/Miller and all the other idiots making those club TIG torches copy your idea.Originally Posted by AluminumWelderseries 9 torches dont' handle anywhere close to 26 series torch amps, dont' get it.
Reply:I was being sarcastic. TIG is not a new process. If you need to handle high amps, why not a WP18 water cooled torch? Your original torch had a big handle because of the switch incorporated in it. A standard torch is much smaller. A WP18 is about the same size as a standard WP17. Why do you need such a small torch and high amperage capacity?
Reply:The only way I can see justifying cooling down an air cooled torch is if you already have an air compressor with a good filter/dessicant dryer system. A couple of manually operated valves, a manifold, and you could cut off the argon flow and run cool dry air (at a very low and suitable pressure) right through the 1pc power/gas hose. 1st on WeldingWeb to have a scrolling sig! HTP Invertig 400HTP Invertig 221HTP ProPulse 300HTP ProPulse 200 x2HTP ProPulse 220MTSHTP Inverarc 200TLP HTP Microcut 875SC
Reply:I don't need a small torch and high amps, I just like the handling of a small torch, most people prefer a pencil over a club, better control. I could use a water cooled torch, maybe make some fittings to swap the torch lead between the different machines we have, but for the short runs we usually do cooling torch off with water soaked sponge works great.
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWI'm not so sure I agree. Depends on whose torches you are using. A Weldcraft A-200 torch ( 26 series) is rated at 200 amps Dc, 150 amps AC @ 60% duty cycle. The CK 130 is rated at 100% duty cycle in both AC and DC @ 130 amps . I'll bet the duty cycle of the CK torch comes pretty close to that of the Weldcraft's in AC, if it doesn't actually exceed it at 150 amps in AC.Go to a CK 150 and your rating on the torch goes to 100% duty cycle @ 150 amps in both AC and DC, and it's still a smaller torch than a 26 series is. CK's CK 200 I believe is their 26 size torch and is rated at 100% in AC and Dc @ 200 amps...
Reply:This is an interesting solution to a non-existant problem. Miller Millermatic 252Miller Syncrowave 200Liincoln AC-DC 225Victor O-A Set
Reply:Originally Posted by gnm109This is an interesting solution to a non-existant problem.
Reply:Originally Posted by AluminumWelderwhich makes me wonder, what makes CK torches able to handle more heat? do they have more metal inside to provide a higher heat input, better rubber? anyone know? OR is it just manufacturer's exaggerating the capacity of the torch knowing most never get close to the limits of the gear and even if they did they will never actually scientifically document the times and such to see if ratings are true?
Reply:Now wait a minute Dave,Are you saying that all the solutions I have come up with and have in order for problems that don't exist yet have no merit?www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:Originally Posted by AluminumWelderwhich makes me wonder, what makes CK torches able to handle more heat? do they have more metal inside to provide a higher heat input, better rubber? anyone know? OR is it just manufacturer's exaggerating the capacity of the torch knowing most never get close to the limits of the gear and even if they did they will never actually scientifically document the times and such to see if ratings are true?
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Reply:Originally Posted by mechanic416Now wait a minute Dave,Are you saying that all the solutions I have come up with and have in order for problems that don't exist yet have no merit?
Reply:Originally Posted by AluminumWelderthose are water cooled torches, we are talking about air cooled torches.in other words what makes one air cooled torch more efficient/better than another. seems like folks here don't; know and just throw thier BS skills around. if the problem of a hot torch doesn't exsist then why are water cooled torches used?how about some more logical discourse instead?
Reply:using a fan is slower, but i'm sure it works the same. the basic premise is quite simple. you can cool many devices with water as long as there is no electricity going through them. after they are dry they are safe to use again.basically dont' use the torch when it is wet. which is actually pretty hard to do, watch the video the water evaporates within 5 seconds of taking it off the wet sponge. even if you used wet torch you'd have to have a direct line of water from metal to your hand, even harder with gloves on. if you have enough skill to control a beam of electricity a few inches from your hand, making sure there isn't water getting your hand wet is comparatively easy.
Reply:Originally Posted by AluminumWelderusing a fan is slower, but i'm sure it works the same. the basic premise is quite simple. you can cool many devices with water as long as there is no electricity going through them. after they are dry they are safe to use again.basically dont' use the torch when it is wet. which is actually pretty hard to do, watch the video the water evaporates within 5 seconds of taking it off the wet sponge. even if you used wet torch you'd have to have a direct line of water from metal to your hand, even harder with gloves on. if you have enough skill to control a beam of electricity a few inches from your hand, making sure there isn't water getting your hand wet is comparatively easy.
Reply:I'm not sure why he even does this... said he doesn't get near the duty cycle of the torch anyway. .Airco Ac/Dc 300 HeliwelderMillerMatic 200 (stolen)Miller Maxstar 150STLMiller AEAD200LE (welding and generating power) Hobart MIG
Reply:Originally Posted by SquirmyPugI'm not sure why he even does this... said he doesn't get near the duty cycle of the torch anyway. .
Reply:Ok, I may be wrong here but a tig torch is gas cooled and a plasma cutter torch is air cooled.Yes the air around the tig torch will help to cool it some and longer post flow will help cool the torch up to a point.Now if you could have your air line hooked to a valve that would open as soon as the post flow stopped to let air flow through the torch it would help cool the torch as well as the work piece. The only draw back to this is you would have to stop welding every so often to let the torch cool off, but you have to do that now when the torch gets to hot to hold. But it would only take a few minutes with the air flowing through the torch.Would it work--------yes, no, maybe ?www.georgesplasmacuttershop.comPlasma Cutter and Welder Sales and Repairs--Ebay storeTec.Mo. Dealer Consumables for the PT and IPT torch's
Reply:id comment but really have no idea why he would want to do this. But on a side note i did make a tin foil hat to wear with a wire going to the ground incase lightning hits me when its sunny outHigh Octane Welding
Reply:So going with Aluminiumwelders theory, I can have a garden hose run water over my welder to cool it down for longer duty cycles........lol..Of all the things I lost I miss my mind the most...I know just enough about everything to be dangerous......You cant cure stupid..only kill it...
Reply:Originally Posted by AluminumWelderthose are water cooled torches, we are talking about air cooled torches.in other words what makes one air cooled torch more efficient/better than another. seems like folks here don't; know and just throw thier BS skills around. if the problem of a hot torch doesn't exsist then why are water cooled torches used?how about some more logical discourse instead?
Reply:Originally Posted by mechanic416Ok, I may be wrong here but a tig torch is gas cooled and a plasma cutter torch is air cooled.Yes the air around the tig torch will help to cool it some and longer post flow will help cool the torch up to a point.Now if you could have your air line hooked to a valve that would open as soon as the post flow stopped to let air flow through the torch it would help cool the torch as well as the work piece. The only draw back to this is you would have to stop welding every so often to let the torch cool off, but you have to do that now when the torch gets to hot to hold. But it would only take a few minutes with the air flowing through the torch.Would it work--------yes, no, maybe ?
Reply:Originally Posted by PB17654Her is some logical discourse for you sir,The problem of a hot torch did exist, and someone solved the problem by making a water cooled torch.The problem was not solved in a way that would be more dangerous than a hot torch.Solving a problem involves an improvement. If your idea was a good idea a torch manufacturer would have implemented it long ago. End of story. A forum is a place where people make posts so they can get feedback from people with whom they have have similar interest. You seem to think that only the feedback that agrees with you is the only legitimate feedback that exists. This is a obviously a problem for you. Do you think that everyone that gave you feedback on your idea is wrong and you are the only one who is right? If you do than you have some issues to deal with that this forum can't help you with. A good problem solver listens to his critics because maybe there is something there that can help them in their problem solving endeavors. I don't know your age, which doesn't really matter, but to me you seem very immature in the way that you are dismissing your criticsas being full of B.S. and spreading ideas that to any "logical" person would seem reckless and without thought for safety which, in everythingwe do, should come first.thanks for reading |
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