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I am looking to buy a bigger mig welder soon and came across the lincoln powermig 215. The miller210 doesn't seem to stack up to it. How about some suggestions on it?
Reply:Contrary to the flap over on the "dark Side" that brought us regugee's over here I think the MM210 is a better machine. Lincoln's advertising is typical of all companies. Read Franz's post on advertising. He's not to dumb for an older fella Take Lincoln's, and ITW's add's with a grain of salt.Like "ROCK" previously from the Dark side always said go to a dealer and Take those girls for a spin! And see which one you like best, It's your money.Saying that I have a MM210. I think that it's the best bang for my bucks. Very smooth. If you plan to do Aluminum someday. you can connect a spoolgun up to it with no extra stuff. With the Lincoln I believe you need a Gun connection kit, and aSpoolgun adapter module With the 215 you only get about 10 more amps 170@24volts @ 60% duty cycle, verses 160 Amps @ 26volts @60% duty cycle. Not a real difference.I'm not against Lincoln, I have a Ranger 8 Gas driven machine, I'm pleased with. I just really like my MM210 Here's a photo with dual cylinders, and a spoolgun Attached ImagesLast edited by fla jim; 01-18-2004 at 10:39 AM.
Reply:Well Jim, I must say that I have been leaning towards the 210 in the past. I am really at a loss, guess I should take em for a spin as you said. I want something that is gonna last. This will be my LAST buy for quite some time. My supplier carries both. I'll have to see when I can get in there to give em a test. Seems you and others are still pretty sold on the MM210 I just hope I can get the job done before the big price hike. thanks again. Ken
Reply:I have the Powermig 200 and have had this machine for over two years now.  I also bought the spool gun kit as well.No problems at all with any of the equipment.  The 215 is replacing the 200, and you might check around for a 200 sitting around in a dealers showroom or warehouse, could get a good deal on now that it is replaced.I looked at the Millers, and opted for the Lincoln as I liked the drive system over the Miller.I also liked the fact the gun cable was two feet longer as well, the 215 comes with a accessory 120 ac outlet, you will like that.I mounted a Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 50 on top so that it can roll around with the welder.  Made my own bottle platforms so that I could mount both gases for steel and aluminum.  As the optional two bottle platform from Lincoln was not worth the money.I think the machines offered by the major players are alll good, just like Ford Chevy Dodge.  Personal preference.Good luck and post what you do buy and reasons etc.There's a method to the madness, disregard the method and the madness begins!!
Reply:heres the pic Attached ImagesThere's a method to the madness, disregard the method and the madness begins!!
Reply:Big rig;That's a nice shop you have. I see your helper is hard at it again.I agree Ford or Chevy-Lincoln or Miller. Until the recent bruhaha over on the Dark side, I've always felt Miller had a little better customer support. I guess they still do. I still go over to the dark side to look what is posted. They still have good info. ITW is the only sight like that. I've seen some serious problems taken care of quickly in the past.The Affair with ROCK has left a bad taste that will take a while to get over.That said, I am kind of looking for a good deal on a LN 25 or LN15 wire feeder for my Ranger 8.
Reply:trying both is the best idea, since a lot of it comes down to personal preference. some like the arc on the lincolns, some on the miller. i have linclons and millers and have been very pleased with both. my local dealer carries both, but seems to like millers service better and also offers much better pricing on them over the lincoln.
Reply:Yeah, I bring the little guy in Saturday mornings, give him a list of things to do, like clean out the floor pots and grinds glues and the like off the floor, clean Dad,s toolboxes, as they are 23 feet long.  I keep a close eye on him while at the shop, too much trouble for him to get into too quickly.I manage the bodyshop department of this facility.  I have 12000 square feet and everything is state of the art.  Larger if I include the 2000 square foot indoor sandblast bay and 4000 square foot indoor wash bay, sick eh.  heated too.I do all the heavy colllision work on heavy trucks, refurbs etc.  Custom work on trucks and trailers.  The Hobart board is excellent, the politics and crap going on lately, I pay little attention to, I have better things to do.  Besides, it's the people on the forum with all thier different opinions on welding related items that interest me.  This board here is just as good, I read all posts here as well as the Hobart board, I don't call it Hofart as I respect the people that pay for the these free forums.  The mechanical side of our shop comprises 18000 sq ft, they run Esab equipment, as I have my own personal equipment, I have never used the Esabs, Guys like them though.  I should as they give those girls a twirl.Here s a shot of a Frieghtliner in the booth right after paint, we really shine with our paintwork, again state of the art booth.  This truck had side panels replaced due to corrosion and done under Oem warranty program. Attached ImagesThere's a method to the madness, disregard the method and the madness begins!!
Reply:Originally posted by Hobweld I am looking to buy a bigger mig welder soon and came across the lincoln powermig 215. The miller210 doesn't seem to stack up to it. How about some suggestions on it?
Reply:Originally posted by Planet X   Lincoln gives you 250 amps Miller gives you 210- those that under rate the importance of current with GMAW welding don't know MIG.
Reply:Dan;welcome over here with the refugees. I always look forward to your posts. Reading your stuff has proved that an old dog can learn new tricks
Reply:Originally posted by Dan Planet XI was wonder how long it was going to take for you to bring up this advertising hype.  .
Reply:Here is one competitive comparison between the Millermatic 210 and the Power MIG 215.  It is in an Adobe Acrobat .PDF file.http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...re/mc03124.pdfBy the way, the wire drive in the PM215 is the same drive system as the wire drive in the mighty PM300. Attached Imageshttp://content.lincolnelectric.com/pdfs/products/literature/mc03124.pdf (0, 76 views)Respectfully,Charles Brown
Reply:The United States Secretary of Commerce spoke at Lincoln Electric's Ohio manufacturing plant/world headquarters two days ago.  Lincoln hosted a conference on the state of manufacturing in America.http://www.nam.org/secondary.asp?Tra...ategoryID=1365http://www.nam.org/secondary.asp?TrackID=&CategoryID=1365 http://www.lincolnelectric.com/more.asp?type=NEWShttp://www.lincolnelectric.com/more.asp?type=NEWSRespectfully,Charles Brown
Reply:Planet X Does that Lincoln Powermig advertise a Made in USA Label on it?
Reply:Originally posted by JustLooking Planet X Does that Lincoln Powermig advertise a Made in USA Label on it?
Reply:Not here either Attached Images"after a long day of doing nothing...its gooood to kick back" Pumbaa
Reply:Here it is,  course this is a pre-911 machine. Now don't be to hard on Miller for its 'use' of the flag to sell their wares, Lincoln needs competition if it were not for Miller there would only be Esab-and that aint no competition at all...right Scott Attached Images"after a long day of doing nothing...its gooood to kick back" Pumbaa
Reply:Planet X even this esab could almost keep up with your 255! Of course it is made in Thailand.
Reply:Originally posted by Scott V Planet X even this esab could almost keep up with your 255! Of course it is made in Thailand.
Reply:Planet X.... Lincoln is located in Cleveland Ohio so I don't think that means made in USA just that they are located in the USA (for those less worldly folks that don't know where Cleveland Ohio is  )Hobweld... I think Miller sometimes has deals where they include the spoolgun for free (yeah, right, nothing is free   ) Otherwise it seems to be a $400 ad on.I have the Powermig 200 and as a all round hack and home user I couldn't be happier. But then again its the only MIG welder I have ever owned. Also have a esab handy 550 plasma cutter. Boy do I love big boy toys.
Reply:[QUOTE]Originally posted by DaveD [B]Planet X.... Lincoln is located in Cleveland Ohio so I don't think that means made in USA just that they are located in the USA (for those less worldly folks that don't know where Cleveland Ohio is  )DaveD, My point was that Lincoln does not use the flag as a 'value' added label/sticker as some others do with their welders.This machine(PM255) was/is assembled/made here. Not all of the parts used  are 100% USA made however.  Will dig up e-mails to Lincoln."after a long day of doing nothing...its gooood to kick back" Pumbaa
Reply:[QUOTE]Originally posted by DaveD [B]Planet X.... Lincoln is located in Cleveland Ohio so I don't think that means made in USA just that they are located in the USA (for those less worldly folks that don't know where Cleveland Ohio is  )Here is that E-mail DavidDThank you for your interest in Lincoln Electric and its products. Thequestion you asked; which one of the following models is made & orassembled in Cleveland, OH ?Powermig 255Powermig 300Invertec 350Precision Tig 275All of the above welders are made and assembled in Cleveland, Ohio.If you have additional questions, we suggest you call our toll free number888 921 9353, extension #1. We are here Monday through Friday, 8:00 AM to5:00 PM, Eastern Time. Please feel free to call.We're looking forward to hearing from you.Technical Sales Dept."after a long day of doing nothing...its gooood to kick back" Pumbaa
Reply:FOUND A LINCOLN 200 NIB FOR $1028.00; IS THIS A GOOD BUY
Reply:Originally posted by 4u21der FOUND A LINCOLN 200 NIB FOR $1028.00; IS THIS A GOOD BUYWell I am happy with mine, but for a extra 100.00 you could get a new PM 215 with warranty.There's a method to the madness, disregard the method and the madness begins!!
Reply:Originally posted by Planet X The Powermig 215 which is the model that replaced the PM200, is $1,143.50....Depends how tight the tool budget is aPM255 is $1,491.50 and has the same footprint of the first two machines, but gives you much more capabilitys.Big rig guy and a couple others on this board have the PM200, perhaps e-mail them and they can give you a firsthand opinion.
Reply:They used to be lower, but Lincoln seems to have raised prices. weldingsupply.com"after a long day of doing nothing...its gooood to kick back" Pumbaa
Reply:I just go my PM255 for $1590 shipped from Indiana Oxygen Supply, they have an Ebay store.  Heres a pic if your bored:http://www.mckeone.net/photos/welder...g/P3250013.JPGwww.jmfabrications.comLincoln Precision TIG 375Lincoln Precision TIG 275Lincoln Power MIG 255Lincoln Power MIG 140CMiller Dynasty 350 (x2)TD Cutmaster 80
Reply:I got my PM255 for $1490 with a free 40lb spool of wire.  I looked at all the e-bay stuff but my local supplier beat them all
Reply:I bought a PM215 a couple months ago & it does a great job for what it is ( a 215,no more - no less).The best thing I could've done was to save up a little more money and go for a 250 or larger. I have normally run the Miller 250 & 251 & you can really tell the difference.
Reply:Well the PM255 won out. I looked at both the miller and lincoln side by side and the lincoln took the cake with the features I liked and the drive roll system. I am kind of limited to weekends using it right now but it sure is sweet. Thanks for all the imput. Ken