Hypertherm plasma cutter, opinions needed

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Merry Christmas everyone,Here is the situation, I have a Hypertherm powermax 45 that I am thinking of selling, turns out I dont need 2 of them. I can not figure out a decent price to list it for, hardly any on ebay or CL etc... much less in unused condition, it has never even been plugged into an outlet!I listed it in CL last week for 1,250 to see what interest there would be on it, and naturally all the calls were the same, "will ya take 600 for it?" even though I showed them it has never been used. The same for the people that showed up. I want to set a fair price, so I thought I would come here.So my question is, what would be a good starting price?
Reply:A quick peek shows them running new for about $1500. Unfortunately the way the ecconomy is you won't get anywhere near what it's probably actually worth. To many guys looking to unload equipment they just don't use much for cash to stay afloat, or places going under and dumping everything. The other side is the people with spare cash looking to grab deals because sellers are desperate. They'll low ball you every time as you already noticed, looking for the seller who'll take anything to make that morgage or truck payment or put food on the table. Even unused I doubt many would bite for much more than $1000. Much more than that and they might as well spend the extra cash and get a full waranty on a new unit and not have to worry about something someone blew up and then cleaned up and packaged real nice to unload. If you need to move it NOW, ask $800 and it will go..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:The list price for a new one is over $2100. There are some offered online for just under $1600.   If I were you I wouldn't take a penny under what you are asking! Advertise it on this site as well as Pirate4x4 and CNC Zone.....you will get a buyer.Jim Colt   Hypertherm
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWIf you need to move it NOW, ask $800 and it will go.
Reply:A fair price is whatever you are willing to part with it for.  Personally, I get tired of all the people trying to sell things second hand for 80+% of retail.I tend to assume that used gear will need a major part when i figure what I'm willing to pay.  1) I don't have a warranty2) I have to assume there's something you're not telling me about.I've been in the market for a plasma for a while but a 3 year warranty is worth a lot to me.For $1250, I wouldn't look at it.------------------------------Lincoln 175HDLincoln AC/DC225Smith O/A
Reply:Based on Jim's comment, I'd consider $1250 more than fair for an unused, undamaged, complete unit. If it were nearer and I needed one, I'd probably even consider a higher price. I've rarely needed a warranty and most of what I've owned never had one.Juts out of curiosity, what does that model weigh?
Reply:Originally Posted by cnywelderA fair price is whatever you are willing to part with it for.  Personally, I get tired of all the people trying to sell things second hand for 80+% of retail.I tend to assume that used gear will need a major part when i figure what I'm willing to pay.  1) I don't have a warranty2) I have to assume there's something you're not telling me about.I've been in the market for a plasma for a while but a 3 year warranty is worth a lot to me.For $1250, I wouldn't look at it.
Reply:Originally Posted by Oldiron2Based on Jim's comment, I'd consider $1250 more than fair for an unused, undamaged, complete unit. If it were nearer and I needed one, I'd probably even consider a higher price. I've rarely needed a warranty and most of what I've owned never had one.Juts out of curiosity, what does that model weigh?
Reply:Originally Posted by cnywelderA fair price is whatever you are willing to part with it for.  Personally, I get tired of all the people trying to sell things second hand for 80+% of retail.
Reply:Originally Posted by BACThat is why I came here to ask, so I could get an idea for a reasonable price. Just like the area I live in, everyone here will have different criteria as to an acceptable value. If it had been used I would have listed it at 60%, or around 900, since it has not been used and still has 2 years left on the warranty, I was not sure. Of course as the seller, who had to pay for it, I would like to recoup as much as possible... and the buyer of course wants to get as much for as little as possible. This I understand, but somewhere between retail and the lowball offers there has to be an acceptable value for both parties.I guess there is no definitive answer, if it does not sell for 1200, I will lower the price, if it does not sell then, I wont have to carry my other one from one house to another. On the other hand, it would make a great Christmas present!
Reply:cny,I can see where you wouldn't think that a quality plasma cutter isn't worth more than $1,200 since you didn't pay that for any of your listed "welding machines".Obviously, you're not the buyer this seller is looking for.  In fact, I suspect, you're not a buyer for a plasma cutter.To the OP,I agree with Jim.  I think your asking price is reasonable.  I have a Powermax 600 and a Powermax 1250 now.  I've been looking at the PM45 closely.  Timing isn't right just now (Christmas--slow season), but if you've still got the unit after the holidays, I may be in touch.Good luck.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XSellers also get tired of people that have no clue of how certain high quality welding gear holds it's valve.
Reply:Value is value, It's worth what he is asking. Because you don't think so, does not change that fact. It also happens to be the latest tech. around, and not a 5 year old Audi. Like somebody would  think those are worth a s**t when they were new.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Originally Posted by cnywelderActually the warranty is non-transferable.  (Check the manual.)
Reply:Originally Posted by cnywelderBuyers get sick of:1) People who imply that a non-transferable warranty is.2) People assuming that you're willing to commit fraud by claiming to be the original purchaser.3) People who don't understand concepts like product lifetime.  A 2005 Audi A8 with zero miles on it is not worth what it was in 2005.  Technology improves, while old components get harder to source.4) People who don't understand that by buying from an actual store I get: a) Implied warranty of merchantability.  If it bursts into flames tomorrow, I just take it back where I bought it.  No waiting for a replacement, I get cash. b) Protection via my credit card company.  If the retailer jerks me around, I have a fallback.  I still get cash. c) Unopened box, with full manufacturer's warranty. d) I know the unit isn't stolen or refurbished.Right now, I've been considering the Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 42 for $967.  It's not quite as beefy, but it's a brand new model that I can run off 110 or 220, and comes with the case and 4 year warranty.Now maybe the original poster isn't actually guilty of #1 and #2, but he's the one who asked for opinions... and I'm giving him the honest opinion of someone who's actually in the market.I don't think that the retail price of the 45 is wrong.  It makes sense and is in line with its competitors.  The thing that just doesn't make sense to me is to pay close to retail for a unit with an unverifiable history and no warranty. (I'm not accusing this guy of anything, but the risk to me as a buyer is higher, regardless.)   Show me a compelling deal on a tool and I jump on it, offer me 80% of retail, and I'll wait until I really need it, then pay retail.  There's a good chance that in the meantime, I'll find the deal I'm looking for.  I'm constantly watching for deals.I suppose you could say that my demand vs. price curve is much steeper than yours.It's not that either of us are wrong, but one must realize that the market is made up of many types.Sure, I don't have $5000 in welders.  Everybody starts somewhere.
Reply:1. Hypertherm warranties are transferrable...just have to have some proof of the original purchase date.2. The New T-D 42 should not in any way (performance or price) be compared with a Powermax45 from Hypertherm. The T-D 42 actually has almost identical power output as compared to the Hypertherm Powermax30. Look up the killowatt output, the duty cycle ratings and the mechanized and hand held maximum thickness ranges. They are not even in the same class as far as plasma cutting power goes. You may also want to find out where the T-D power supply was built.....and where the T-D torch was built! All of the Hypertherm products are built in Hanover, NH, USA by employee owners of the company.3. The purchase price a used product is simply an agreement betwen the seller and the buyer. The agreed on price is its percieved value. If $1250 seems to much to a certain buyer, but the seller is firm on that price.....then the buyer will have to look elsewhere! Simple as that!4. The Powermax45 with its suggested list of over $2100 is the best selling hand held plasma system in the world...bar none. It replaced the Powermax600, which had a field population of over 55,000 units....and the 45 is more popular than the 600. A used 45 with low or no hourse is easily worth $1250 to the right buyer.Jim Colt
Reply:Hi BAC I would hold firm on your price. Especially if that unit is new (never plugged in) if you still have the original box and all that came in it you need to say that too.You said at one point you wanted to sell it because you were thinking of getting a new welder.  You might want to consider offering it on craigslist in the barter section. You may be able to locate someone with a nice welder looking to trade. You may even want to post it in the Shop, Trade, Sell Forum you can try sell it in the forum and even list it as a barter to someone that has a nice welder for sale. There are always folks selling some nice welders as well as folks always saying they want a plasma cutter but don't have the cash right now.. Well they might not have the cash but they might have a welder for trade! That way you both get something you want.Co-Own CNC shop:Miller :1251 plasma cutter, MaxStar 700 TIG/Stick, & XMT 456 Multiprocess Welder.&  2 Hypertherm HPR260's Plasma CutterSorry I had a bad stroke but now I am back.
Reply:Originally Posted by BACcny had me worried, so I checked my manual, and there is no mention of transferable or non-transferable in the warranty except for this:Transfer of rightsYou may transfer any remaining rights you mayhave hereunder only in connection with the saleof all or substantially all of your assets or capitalstock to a successor in interest who agrees tobe bound by all of the terms and conditions ofthis Warranty.Yes, I asked for opinions and I have considered each one that has been posted. Thank you to all that offered there advice. If it wasnt for Jim I might not even have the first one I bought.
Reply:If you are passing through Norwich Vt you are only a few miles from the Hypertherm factory....I can't sell you anything direct, but I can give you a plant tour. After the plant tour I can almost guarantee you will find a way to pony up a couple hundred more dollars for a product built by employee owners inour state of the art facility! There is a differnce in the way the Hypertherm units are designed, tested for reliability and performance, and the way they are assembled. An unbelievable amount of pride goes in each box from the people that are involved as well.And on the warranty subject....again, Hypertherm warranties are transferrable as long as the current owner has proof of the original purchase. Warranty agreements are written by lawyers that would be scared to death in a welding cutting shop....might burn a hole through their $2000 jacket. Hypertherm is very lenient on warranty policies ....always has been and always will be.JimJim, I agree with you on cut capacity.  My requirements are somewhat different than others.  A powermax 30 is definitely more comparable, and is really the class of machine I would buy new.  It's too bad there isn't a "factory outlet" up there.  I'll be passing through Norwich.  NY has a "use tax" that applies to purchases of over $1000, so just the fact that I cannot get a Powermax 30 for less than $1k adds an extra "bonus" 8% cost to me.I can get the TD 42 for just under 1K, but the Hypertherm will cost me $1161.[/QUOTE]