Proper Way To Weld Vertical???

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I was playing around with some vertical welding today using the same settings as on horizontal....... 7018 1/8" rod, 120 amps. Problem was no matter how I tried the weld looked the side of a candle..........puddle kept falling. Any suggestions???
Reply:Check out youtube. I watched some of ChuckE2009 and weldingtipsandtricks.com videos a couple days ago. Pretty helpful.GravelThe difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference.
Reply:From 2011 till now you haven't picked up any hints? I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:All machines are a little different, but 120-amps is a little hot. Then you say it looks like the side of a candle. I'd drop down to 110 to 115-amps. But I'll bet anything it's more a rod angle issue.  Attached ImagesDon’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...8ADE733407D6EFWatch this video.Really helped me.~JohnJust a couple welders, big hammers, grinders, and torches.Work will free you.Men in dirty jeans built this country, while men in clean suits have destroyed it. Trump/Carson 2016-2024
Reply:Post picts of the weld and I can probably spot some of your issues. I'm betting you can't read the puddle yet. Once I see the weld I can tel where you need to concentrate to see what needs to be done..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeFrom 2011 till now you haven't picked up any hints?
Reply:Originally Posted by GravelI just recently decided to try vertical.  Maybe he Just started learning vert as well.
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWPost picts of the weld and I can probably spot some of your issues. I'm betting you can't read the puddle yet. Once I see the weld I can tel where you need to concentrate to see what needs to be done.
Reply:Welding on the inside face of an angle iron is tough for anybody. Do some lap joints, fillets welds, etc.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:One question about 7018 rods. As I understand it .......7018 rods contain cellulose. Cellulose can accumulate water. When welding with 7018 rods that have moisture in them as burns off it produces hydrogen this in turn causes porosity.Now are you better buying 7108 rods in small packages so as not to expose them to any moisture???For practicing does it matter???As for Lincoln rods...... Excalibur 7018 seems to get the nod........are all 7018 rods that Lincoln makes Excalibur???Last edited by rahtreelimbs; 04-06-2014 at 08:56 PM.
Reply:I spent most of my life welding in the rain. Here is an old trick, don't tell anybody!  Attached ImagesDon’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Actually, 6010 and 6011 rods are the cellulose flux rods. Not 7018. Your machine is too hot for vertical up 7018. Try 110 amps for 1/8 rod. Your also staying in one spot too long and not using enough oscillation in your rod. A T joint is good practice to learn proper oscillation with 7018 vertical up. Keep your arc short and the end of the rod angled slightly up.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:As snoeproe pointed out, wrong covering - here is a list for you rahtreelimbs:(I generally post a pic instead of typing)Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Snoeproe I'm no instructor but I have had to practice this same position as have most of the readers here.   The easiest approach for practice for me was laying a good straight bead on a flat plate next to the left side since I'm right handed.   Clean the slag hang up vertical with the bead on the opposite side of what ever hand you hold the stinger with.   This gives you a corner to fill in.  Now just keep stacking beads until you fill the plate.   If you are gonna use 3/16" plate or thinner try some 3/32" electrodes so you can turn down the heat until you get in control.   If you need to knock the flux off in the center of the rod where the center marks are (see CEP's photo above) and place the electrode holder here it will give you more control.  Now get on with it!  Keep moving and your arc force uphill.   Hope it helps.Lincoln Electric:Ranger GXT 250SA-200LN-25Pro MiG 256Pro Mig 180Esab CV 251Invertec 160Victor Torches”
Reply:Lincoln makes a bunch of different 7018 rods. Excalibur is just one of them. They also make a 7108 "jet" rod. I don't like it quite as much as the Excalibur. Then there's the 7018 AC that Lincoln sells that is usually what you find at the home center. I think there's at least 3 or 4 others. I'd have to pull up my Lincoln stick book and look at how many they make.Straight beads on flat plate are probably the hardest to run. Fillets like for laps or T's or bevels like for bevel buts or outside corners are easier to run. However we still start guys doing beads on flat plate. It lets them get consistent on minimal materials and once they start padding, they have that "corner" to work against to save material and it gets a bit easier.on DC+ amps between 110-130 with 1/8" 7018 Excalibur or jet rod. I like 115-120 most days. I had a student end of last turn who had issues with flat and horizontal welds all term, but when he hit vertical with 7018, he was doing beautiful welds at 125-130 amps almost right from the start.Keep your arc length tight, rod horizontal or just slightly vertical. I like to do a slight side to side motion like a tiny weave building a small shelf to support the next level for stringers.That huge undercut tells me that most likely your arc length is too long and that your rod angle may be very steep. An inside angle like that can be tough as you have to keep the rod almost horizontal to avoid the lower leg of the angle. This means the rod can't help support the puddle much like when you angle the rod up some. Looks like you could speed up some as well.I don't think you can read the puddle yet from what I'm seeing. Try and concentrate hard on the puddle and ignore the arc and the drippy slag..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:I also see a large spot of porosity in your one bead about half way up. That's another indication that your arc is too long. Where we see the porosity, your arc got real long.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Picked this up from another thread:Best videos I've ever seen. Explains and shows 'arc force' which is what is a critical concept to understand for vert welding. should be required viewing for stick welders starting out.Being a relative novice, I used this info when mig welding some vert. this weekend. Worked like a charm.Anyway, I can see that the optimal angle to use the arc force to hold up the puddle may not be possible in the 'inside the face' like that, especially down low. Very challenging if your settings are not perfect. Looking at the weld, I'd suggest lower amps, increased rod angle to the vertical, and slower rod movement to obtain sufficient penetration.I was doing inside corner work this weekend, and noticed that a slight sideways weave helped the puddle to not sag like that. Also helped tie in on the sides of the weld.Chay
Reply:Originally Posted by rahtreelimbsOne question about 7018 rods. As I understand it .......7018 rods contain cellulose. Cellulose can accumulate water. When welding with 7018 rods that have moisture in them as burns off it produces hydrogen this in turn causes porosity.Now are you better buying 7108 rods in small packages so as not to expose them to any moisture???For practicing does it matter???As for Lincoln rods...... Excalibur 7018 seems to get the nod........are all 7018 rods that Lincoln makes Excalibur???
Reply:I'm betting you can't read the puddle yet.
Reply:Here is a vertical up 7018 weld I did today with 1/8 rod. T joint welded in one pass. JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:I can see by the pics you posted you were trying to whip and pause and thats the first problem. You have to use a little side to side motion instead. Also your welder is way to hot, I've been running good vertical right around 100 amps with the exact same rod and steel thickness you're on. Don't forget though that ALL WELDERS weld a little different  so I'd say 90 - 110 for the vertical should keep you good and don't do the whip and pause. Some may disagree but it's what works best for me.