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This is the style of chessboard Id like to fabricate only Id like to use ¼ copper and steel flat stock as opposed to using only steel flat stock and enameling or powder coating some of the squares. Not my chessboard photos. ----I see that brazing dissimilar metals can be done, http://www.lucasmilhaupt.com/en-US/a...with-handy-one. I have this exact TurboTorch Extreme set, http://store.cyberweld.com/tukitexx.html. The X-3B torch set came with A-3 and A-11 acetylene tips. I was thinking an A-5 or perhaps an A-8 tip might be better for brazing the board pieces together. Both are available online, http://www.weldfabulous.com/p-64406-...ement-tip.aspx.--Would it be unrealistic to expect the chessboard to hold together if dropped on the ground after Im done brazing the board squares?--Is there a better way to do a chessboard such as what I photographed above any way other than brazing?MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Your turbotorch should silver solder, although with large heavy pieces a large tip might be necessary. If you had oxy-acetylene I would suggest brazing. Silver solder works very well and is very strong. Sand the base material shiny, flux it, and put a small piece of silver solder between the two pieces. When they come together, you should be done. If you see a little line of solder between the two pieces, you know you have a good joint. I have not used silver solder on steel, but I would not expect any problems. Silver solder is a great process, cool to watch it flow, but realize that the parts will need to be very hot, probably glowing a dull red or so.I am sure that there are other folks with more experience with silver solder than I. ;-)Sculptures in copper and other metalshttp://www.fergusonsculpture.comSyncrowave 200 Millermatic 211Readywelder spoolgunHypertherm 600 plasma cutterThermal Arc GMS300 Victor OA torchHomemade Blacksmith propane forge
Reply:That copper will be priceyHow about just the copper coating ?Get some ferric chlorideIt used to be available from radio shackdissolve some scrap copper in it.Dip the steel into that solution and it will plate it.All the look, little of the cost of copper.Silver solder would workThe tops of those chess pieces are rifle cartridges, looks like steel so probably cheap Russian surplus 7.62 39Easy to get from a range since it's not brass - you can get it for nothing.I'd just put them in a lathe and drill them from the bottom, screw them into the block, loctite for a permanent bond if you want to .You could also reverse the colour schema, brass cartridges of different sizes /calibers for each type of piece on steel bases.
Reply:You better get that husbands checkbook out. A 3 troy ounce coil of HARRIS 45% SILVER SOLDER 1/16 X 3 TROY OUNCE PKG. is $99.00 http://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.co...ounce-pkg-4533
Reply:silver solder or tig brazing with silicon bronze will work.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:7.62-39 or 7.62-54?They look almost as tall as a 30-06.Hard to judge height in photo?VERY NICE WORK though!
Reply:just glue it. its chess pieces, and modern epoxy is really really good.Constant Current Weldor.
Reply:Tig "weld" using house electrical wire as the filler.I experimented with house wire for the color, and to add to my "third hand" contact areas for better transfer without black arc marks on aluminum.It fills and flows pretty good Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by Davidbrownjust glue it. its chess pieces, and modern epoxy is really really good.
Reply:Originally Posted by drujinin7.62-39 or 7.62-54?They look almost as tall as a 30-06.Hard to judge height in photo?VERY NICE WORK though!
Reply:A lot of the "specialty" hunting ammo comes in chromed cases, so they could easily be 30-06. I'm not sure if the insides are chromed or not off the top of my head. I'd have to dig thru my stash of reloading supplies to find some chromed cases. When I used to shoot and reload a lot I'd collect up any scrap casings at the range in any of the calibers I was shooting or had rifles for. I'd always end up getting a few "odd" chromed cases around deer season when guys would sight in their rifles. Nice chess set. The other sets I've seen done usually used a variety of calibers to differentiate between pieces. 50 BMG for the queen, 458 Winchester for the king, pistol rounds for pawns etc..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Yes, you're right!Been so long that I forgot the 54 had a rim!Good point on the "chrome" cases!I used to pick them up at the range also as those guys brought them to sight in with!
Reply:raferguson> So far all I've done with a mini-torch is brazing when I repaired two copper trellises and the set I have didn't have the right sized tip so I used someone else's. No O/A set up for me.... maybe some day..... not too sure about that though.--12345678910> If I used all steel and plated half of the chessboard squares, would the plating hold up to being welded?--BD1> Ugh.... I knew it was expensive but didn't realize it was that expensive.... I was using somebody else's mini-torch and materials.--docwelder & MinnesotaDave> No TIG welder. Just a MIG welder. --drujinin> I enlarged the photo and the neck and shoulder on the king and queen are very different. The pawns look "chubbier" and appear to have belted rims while the rest of the pieces looked rimless or semi-rimmed when enlarged as noted by 12345678910.....maybe some 7.62x51 and 5.56x45 in the mix of what was used if that helps. I don't know ammunition all that well.--Are you thinking of making a chess set? I could start picking up oddball cartridges for you if you are. -- Davidbrown> I used JB Weld to glue marbles onto the tips of the copper trellises I repaired. It seemed to hold up well enough. Time will tell. --Bisteneau> Welding would definitely be preferred.... only thing is I'm limited in the tool department compared to someone like you. If I get backed into a corner and can't figure out how to do it the way I want to... I might consider gluing the pieces but then again.... maybe not... I really like welding. --DSW> It is a very nice chess set and I think I found the photo on a site called Etsy. It was for sale for several hundred dollars if I recall. It's the board I was interested in copying. The chess pieces were interesting but I've got something else in mind for those.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Originally Posted by EquilibriumDSW> It is a very nice chess set and I think I found the photo on a site called Etsy. It was for sale for several hundred dollars if I recall. It's the board I was interested in copying. The chess pieces were interesting but I've got something else in mind for those.
Reply:Originally Posted by Equilibrium--docwelder & MinnesotaDave> No TIG welder. Just a MIG welder. --
Reply:DSW> I know zip nadda nothing about selling anything on EBay, Etsy, or Pinterest. Weve never listed anything except used cars and that was on Craigslist. --Damascus steel is beyond beautiful
I looked online and it comes in some fabulous patterns that could easily be used for contrast in chessboard squares and it would sure solve my problems of welding dissimilar metals together. Pretty sure its not an option for me though unless
. theres a Steel Fairy out there somewhere willing to slip bars of it under my pillow. Tournament chess boards have 2 ¼ squares. I was thinking more along the lines of a 2 square for the chess board Id like to make as a gift for a kid
I honestly have no plans of ever selling anything I make. According to one of my brothers
. ¼ thick American Damascus steel would run me around $10-$12 a square inch. Egads
. pass the defibrillator quick!!! Id need 32 2 squares of Damascus or
. 128 sq inches. Id be out $1,280 to $1,536. Even at $2 a sq inch
. I honestly couldnt afford Damascus. Im going to have to come up with another idea. Bluing might work for the actual chess pieces and I do like the idea of copper or brass for the squares. Not quite sure what Im going to do. --MinnesotaDave> We still have to get you into oxy/fuel welding and heat tinting, forging, plasma cutting, tig welding, and stick welding.----Psssst
You omitted riveting and casting. If I could learn how to cast
. I could make the little birdies I wantMM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWA lot of the "specialty" hunting ammo comes in chromed cases, so they could easily be 30-06. I'm not sure if the insides are chromed or not off the top of my head. I'd have to dig thru my stash of reloading supplies to find some chromed cases. When I used to shoot and reload a lot I'd collect up any scrap casings at the range in any of the calibers I was shooting or had rifles for. I'd always end up getting a few "odd" chromed cases around deer season when guys would sight in their rifles. Nice chess set. The other sets I've seen done usually used a variety of calibers to differentiate between pieces. 50 BMG for the queen, 458 Winchester for the king, pistol rounds for pawns etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by EquilibriumDSW> --MinnesotaDave> “We still have to get you into oxy/fuel welding and heat tinting, forging, plasma cutting, tig welding, and stick welding.”----Psssst… You omitted riveting and casting. If I could learn how to cast…. I could make the little birdies I want
Reply:Originally Posted by Equilibrium12345678910> If I used all steel and plated half of the chessboard squares, would the plating hold up to being welded?
Reply:No Big Deal for me!I was thinking they are indeed Nickel but its been honestly 10 years or more since I have been on a range where other people frequent that I have forgotten they are indeed Nickel.Chrome cases would not go through a sizing die real well as I am sure they would be stiff.Thanks!
Reply:Here a thought, do the surfaces in a direction sanding pattern with a belt sander , or make the squares all steel just polish half and use gun blue /plum color for the rest . . And yes if it was welded or brazes it would probably stand being dropped. Also PM you address I found something in storage I will send you.gxbxc
Reply:When brazing dissimilar metals a brazing flux will be needed. A good 5 to 15% silver solder will work. The higher the silver content the easier this will happen. Go to http://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/ and they have some info on brazing. When brazing copper to copper you would be able to just use the silver solder as it has a phosphors content and will act like a flux.
Reply:MoonRise> I just printed off your whole post. I'm going to need help understanding some of what you typed to me. I think the problem is the only brazing I've done to date has been copper to copper and the soldering I did do.... was many many moons ago.--MinnesotaDave> Phew.... I'm safe!!!! I watched that video and can honestly say I've got enough jello molds and bakeware forms collecting dust as it is and I'm not into experimental aircraft so don't see myself having any interest in flow forming!!!! It was touch and go there for a bit before I permitted that YouTube!!!! --Droopy> I honestly don't know which direction I'm going to go. Too many great suggestions... yours included. --gxbxc> I am leaning toward bluing half of the chess pieces. Totally unsure of what I'm going to do about the board. --You found something in storage for moi>>>>? What is it.... a small metal computer fan.... metal cigar tube.... an old bicycle chain>>>>? Noooooo.... on 2nd thought.... don't tell me....whatever it is sounds dusty and rusty.... right up my alley!!! I want to be surprised. Whoever said diamonds were a girl's best friend was sooooooooo out of touch with reality!!! Thank you for thinking of me.--Chris54> I figured there was going to be a trick to brazing copper to steel or brass to steel. I'll get help with that. --I went to the product page. It was like being at a restaurant where they don't give menus with prices to women. Scary. I'm afraid to find out what a good 5 - 15% silver solder is going to cost. MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:anyone every used MG super 600 electrodes? i swear that rod can weld cat**** to a glass window,http://floridatoolstore.com/store/in...uct_detail&p=1Ive used it to weld brass to stainless, and unknown to unknown. i know that box of rod is kinda pricy but hey, that **** works!!Miller Spoolmate 200 w/t S-52 WirefeederMM 211'09 Miller Trailblazer 302
Reply:I really need to get my act together and collect up all the parts I've gathered for a chessboard so far and post a photo. I'm probably about half way there setting materials aside for this project. --Ian Duffin> $290 for rod.... OMG. I'm sure it's the best of the best but.... I'm going to have to find another way. Is there any other product you can think of that might do what I want that's 1/3rd the price even if it can't weld catsh!t to glass?MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le GuinThis is the style of chessboard Id like to fabricate only Id like to use ¼ copper and steel flat stock as opposed to using only steel flat stock and enameling or powder coating some of the squares. Not my chessboard photos. ----I see that brazing dissimilar metals can be done, http://www.lucasmilhaupt.com/en-US/a...with-handy-one. I have this exact TurboTorch Extreme set, http://store.cyberweld.com/tukitexx.html. The X-3B torch set came with A-3 and A-11 acetylene tips. I was thinking an A-5 or perhaps an A-8 tip might be better for brazing the board pieces together. Both are available online, http://www.weldfabulous.com/p-64406-...ement-tip.aspx.--Would it be unrealistic to expect the chessboard to hold together if dropped on the ground after Im done brazing the board squares?--Is there a better way to do a chessboard such as what I photographed above any way other than brazing?MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Your turbotorch should silver solder, although with large heavy pieces a large tip might be necessary. If you had oxy-acetylene I would suggest brazing. Silver solder works very well and is very strong. Sand the base material shiny, flux it, and put a small piece of silver solder between the two pieces. When they come together, you should be done. If you see a little line of solder between the two pieces, you know you have a good joint. I have not used silver solder on steel, but I would not expect any problems. Silver solder is a great process, cool to watch it flow, but realize that the parts will need to be very hot, probably glowing a dull red or so.I am sure that there are other folks with more experience with silver solder than I. ;-)Sculptures in copper and other metalshttp://www.fergusonsculpture.comSyncrowave 200 Millermatic 211Readywelder spoolgunHypertherm 600 plasma cutterThermal Arc GMS300 Victor OA torchHomemade Blacksmith propane forge
Reply:That copper will be priceyHow about just the copper coating ?Get some ferric chlorideIt used to be available from radio shackdissolve some scrap copper in it.Dip the steel into that solution and it will plate it.All the look, little of the cost of copper.Silver solder would workThe tops of those chess pieces are rifle cartridges, looks like steel so probably cheap Russian surplus 7.62 39Easy to get from a range since it's not brass - you can get it for nothing.I'd just put them in a lathe and drill them from the bottom, screw them into the block, loctite for a permanent bond if you want to .You could also reverse the colour schema, brass cartridges of different sizes /calibers for each type of piece on steel bases.
Reply:You better get that husbands checkbook out. A 3 troy ounce coil of HARRIS 45% SILVER SOLDER 1/16 X 3 TROY OUNCE PKG. is $99.00 http://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.co...ounce-pkg-4533
Reply:silver solder or tig brazing with silicon bronze will work.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:7.62-39 or 7.62-54?They look almost as tall as a 30-06.Hard to judge height in photo?VERY NICE WORK though!
Reply:just glue it. its chess pieces, and modern epoxy is really really good.Constant Current Weldor.
Reply:Tig "weld" using house electrical wire as the filler.I experimented with house wire for the color, and to add to my "third hand" contact areas for better transfer without black arc marks on aluminum.It fills and flows pretty good Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by Davidbrownjust glue it. its chess pieces, and modern epoxy is really really good.
Reply:Originally Posted by drujinin7.62-39 or 7.62-54?They look almost as tall as a 30-06.Hard to judge height in photo?VERY NICE WORK though!
Reply:A lot of the "specialty" hunting ammo comes in chromed cases, so they could easily be 30-06. I'm not sure if the insides are chromed or not off the top of my head. I'd have to dig thru my stash of reloading supplies to find some chromed cases. When I used to shoot and reload a lot I'd collect up any scrap casings at the range in any of the calibers I was shooting or had rifles for. I'd always end up getting a few "odd" chromed cases around deer season when guys would sight in their rifles. Nice chess set. The other sets I've seen done usually used a variety of calibers to differentiate between pieces. 50 BMG for the queen, 458 Winchester for the king, pistol rounds for pawns etc..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Yes, you're right!Been so long that I forgot the 54 had a rim!Good point on the "chrome" cases!I used to pick them up at the range also as those guys brought them to sight in with!
Reply:raferguson> So far all I've done with a mini-torch is brazing when I repaired two copper trellises and the set I have didn't have the right sized tip so I used someone else's. No O/A set up for me.... maybe some day..... not too sure about that though.--12345678910> If I used all steel and plated half of the chessboard squares, would the plating hold up to being welded?--BD1> Ugh.... I knew it was expensive but didn't realize it was that expensive.... I was using somebody else's mini-torch and materials.--docwelder & MinnesotaDave> No TIG welder. Just a MIG welder. --drujinin> I enlarged the photo and the neck and shoulder on the king and queen are very different. The pawns look "chubbier" and appear to have belted rims while the rest of the pieces looked rimless or semi-rimmed when enlarged as noted by 12345678910.....maybe some 7.62x51 and 5.56x45 in the mix of what was used if that helps. I don't know ammunition all that well.--Are you thinking of making a chess set? I could start picking up oddball cartridges for you if you are. -- Davidbrown> I used JB Weld to glue marbles onto the tips of the copper trellises I repaired. It seemed to hold up well enough. Time will tell. --Bisteneau> Welding would definitely be preferred.... only thing is I'm limited in the tool department compared to someone like you. If I get backed into a corner and can't figure out how to do it the way I want to... I might consider gluing the pieces but then again.... maybe not... I really like welding. --DSW> It is a very nice chess set and I think I found the photo on a site called Etsy. It was for sale for several hundred dollars if I recall. It's the board I was interested in copying. The chess pieces were interesting but I've got something else in mind for those.MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Originally Posted by EquilibriumDSW> It is a very nice chess set and I think I found the photo on a site called Etsy. It was for sale for several hundred dollars if I recall. It's the board I was interested in copying. The chess pieces were interesting but I've got something else in mind for those.
Reply:Originally Posted by Equilibrium--docwelder & MinnesotaDave> No TIG welder. Just a MIG welder. --
Reply:DSW> I know zip nadda nothing about selling anything on EBay, Etsy, or Pinterest. Weve never listed anything except used cars and that was on Craigslist. --Damascus steel is beyond beautiful
I looked online and it comes in some fabulous patterns that could easily be used for contrast in chessboard squares and it would sure solve my problems of welding dissimilar metals together. Pretty sure its not an option for me though unless
. theres a Steel Fairy out there somewhere willing to slip bars of it under my pillow. Tournament chess boards have 2 ¼ squares. I was thinking more along the lines of a 2 square for the chess board Id like to make as a gift for a kid
I honestly have no plans of ever selling anything I make. According to one of my brothers
. ¼ thick American Damascus steel would run me around $10-$12 a square inch. Egads
. pass the defibrillator quick!!! Id need 32 2 squares of Damascus or
. 128 sq inches. Id be out $1,280 to $1,536. Even at $2 a sq inch
. I honestly couldnt afford Damascus. Im going to have to come up with another idea. Bluing might work for the actual chess pieces and I do like the idea of copper or brass for the squares. Not quite sure what Im going to do. --MinnesotaDave> We still have to get you into oxy/fuel welding and heat tinting, forging, plasma cutting, tig welding, and stick welding.----Psssst
You omitted riveting and casting. If I could learn how to cast
. I could make the little birdies I wantMM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWA lot of the "specialty" hunting ammo comes in chromed cases, so they could easily be 30-06. I'm not sure if the insides are chromed or not off the top of my head. I'd have to dig thru my stash of reloading supplies to find some chromed cases. When I used to shoot and reload a lot I'd collect up any scrap casings at the range in any of the calibers I was shooting or had rifles for. I'd always end up getting a few "odd" chromed cases around deer season when guys would sight in their rifles. Nice chess set. The other sets I've seen done usually used a variety of calibers to differentiate between pieces. 50 BMG for the queen, 458 Winchester for the king, pistol rounds for pawns etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by EquilibriumDSW> --MinnesotaDave> “We still have to get you into oxy/fuel welding and heat tinting, forging, plasma cutting, tig welding, and stick welding.”----Psssst… You omitted riveting and casting. If I could learn how to cast…. I could make the little birdies I want
Reply:Originally Posted by Equilibrium12345678910> If I used all steel and plated half of the chessboard squares, would the plating hold up to being welded?
Reply:No Big Deal for me!I was thinking they are indeed Nickel but its been honestly 10 years or more since I have been on a range where other people frequent that I have forgotten they are indeed Nickel.Chrome cases would not go through a sizing die real well as I am sure they would be stiff.Thanks!
Reply:Here a thought, do the surfaces in a direction sanding pattern with a belt sander , or make the squares all steel just polish half and use gun blue /plum color for the rest . . And yes if it was welded or brazes it would probably stand being dropped. Also PM you address I found something in storage I will send you.gxbxc
Reply:When brazing dissimilar metals a brazing flux will be needed. A good 5 to 15% silver solder will work. The higher the silver content the easier this will happen. Go to http://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/ and they have some info on brazing. When brazing copper to copper you would be able to just use the silver solder as it has a phosphors content and will act like a flux.
Reply:MoonRise> I just printed off your whole post. I'm going to need help understanding some of what you typed to me. I think the problem is the only brazing I've done to date has been copper to copper and the soldering I did do.... was many many moons ago.--MinnesotaDave> Phew.... I'm safe!!!! I watched that video and can honestly say I've got enough jello molds and bakeware forms collecting dust as it is and I'm not into experimental aircraft so don't see myself having any interest in flow forming!!!! It was touch and go there for a bit before I permitted that YouTube!!!! --Droopy> I honestly don't know which direction I'm going to go. Too many great suggestions... yours included. --gxbxc> I am leaning toward bluing half of the chess pieces. Totally unsure of what I'm going to do about the board. --You found something in storage for moi>>>>? What is it.... a small metal computer fan.... metal cigar tube.... an old bicycle chain>>>>? Noooooo.... on 2nd thought.... don't tell me....whatever it is sounds dusty and rusty.... right up my alley!!! I want to be surprised. Whoever said diamonds were a girl's best friend was sooooooooo out of touch with reality!!! Thank you for thinking of me.--Chris54> I figured there was going to be a trick to brazing copper to steel or brass to steel. I'll get help with that. --I went to the product page. It was like being at a restaurant where they don't give menus with prices to women. Scary. I'm afraid to find out what a good 5 - 15% silver solder is going to cost. MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin
Reply:anyone every used MG super 600 electrodes? i swear that rod can weld cat**** to a glass window,http://floridatoolstore.com/store/in...uct_detail&p=1Ive used it to weld brass to stainless, and unknown to unknown. i know that box of rod is kinda pricy but hey, that **** works!!Miller Spoolmate 200 w/t S-52 WirefeederMM 211'09 Miller Trailblazer 302
Reply:I really need to get my act together and collect up all the parts I've gathered for a chessboard so far and post a photo. I'm probably about half way there setting materials aside for this project. --Ian Duffin> $290 for rod.... OMG. I'm sure it's the best of the best but.... I'm going to have to find another way. Is there any other product you can think of that might do what I want that's 1/3rd the price even if it can't weld catsh!t to glass?MM 211Smith Tru Lite O/A set, Thanks Bob!Lincoln AC-225--But you must not change one thing, one pebble, one grain of sand, until you know what good and evil will follow on that act. The world is in balance, in Equilibrium- Ursula K. Le Guin |
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